S6E01 · Jordan Love: Coaching People and Building a Better Offseason

Alrighty, beautiful people, welcome back to the Virtus Performance Podcast. We've been on a little bit of a sabbatical, grace of sabbatical, but it's sun shining, the birds are out, it's a good time to be alive, so we figured we'd get it back rolling, and no one better to kick it off with. Mr. Jordan Love, welcome. Hello, sir. Hello, it's bloody good to have you. Now, for those playing at home who haven't been around Virty for a little bit, Jordy's been coaching for how long now? I think I started in April, I believe. April, so what's that, six months? Far out, how good. How's it been so far? Yeah, good. It's been... Give me more. It's gone quick. Footy season helps with that. Yeah, you know, the hustle and bustle of footy season means that your week to week sort of goes by pretty quick, but to be stimulated by a new environment, to meet new people, to see a different side of S&C has been really good, so yeah, I've enjoyed it and it's gone really quick. Has anything surprised you about the experience about Virtus? Obviously, we caught up a couple of years, 18 months or so ago, you've seen it from the outside in, heard about it a little bit. Yeah, I think we'd obviously caught up before, and I think what stood out to me in the past was the large sense of community and the importance of that, I think, and what goes within that is connections. So for me, coming in as well, it probably just reiterated the importance of the community and the flexibility with which we try to give people to train. We try to take away the excuses of time, of having kids, of doing all those things, so to be able to provide an environment that lets people train in spite of all those things is probably the biggest one. I don't think you see that in most modern gyms. Everyone's trying to go for top end feel. You see the uprising of the St. Havens and all of those sorts of things, but to be able to strip it back and understand what training is and should be on a fundamental level, I think is probably the biggest thing about the environment. Yeah, and that's cool feedback as well, because I think that we want to be able to hit the top end performance aspect, but I think for me that lifetime performance space of how do I keep showing up for myself and the people around me driving the community connection and just the enjoyment aspect is super important. And I think you and your vibe on the gym floor has been helping us move that forward. So yeah, it's been great to have you. So give us a little bit of an insight into your journey coaching and otherwise, what got you to this point where you're like, "Fuck yeah, I want to come hang out in Morneau." Yeah, I think many things led me to Melbourne, Mornington, et cetera. It probably all started with the inspiration that I took from my best friend when he was coming through his talent pathways and what he was able to do from a physical sense. You can name drop and shout out if you want. I won't do that, but to have someone so close to me pushing for such a level of high performance that pushed me to drive for high performance and want to be able to provide an environment for high performance, and not just that, but growth as well. My main thing is around growth as humans, but it started out Bachelor of Exercise Science, and then I had a placement block at the Geelong Falcons, so the Coates League Club. That was really good. So I did my 140 hours there. I spent the whole year there. Learned a lot, and that was fantastic. I had a good couple of mentors there. And then from there, I moved up to Melbourne, finished off my degree, picked up a couple of roles along the way, Carlton VFL Women's, worked in the women's space again with Caulfield Grammarians. Then I transitioned across to Casey's Men as the head of SNC. I spent a few months working with Melbourne in a phase where their head of strength got picked up by the Brooklyn Nets, which was really impressive, and enjoyed that opportunity, and then went across to Frankston. So that's my sporting pathway, and then I've done personal training around that as well. So good life, I started out, which was great. Yeah, shared out good life. And then I transitioned to EDGE training, which was a group training facility in Prahran, and then went across to the sports clinic in Melbourne, which was a physiotherapy clinic in Prahran. So from there, made the journey out here, and that's where I am now. Which we love. Obviously, there's a whole range of different experience, different organizations, different people. How has all of that helped you kind of distill what's important to you from a coaching standpoint, and how would you elevate a bit your coaching philosophy to everyone? Yeah, I think philosophy is what you believe in, right? And what you know to be true about the way that you operate. So for me, it's all around human first, and I think to be an effective coach, you've probably got to have an element of authenticity. So with my philosophy, I really try to center it around my values, and that's connection, curiosity, care, and commitment to growth. So I think if I'm coaching in a way that connects with people, that provides an environment for growth, that shows high levels of care, and making sure that I'm asking lots of questions and trying to be interested in what's around me, that's probably the way that I coach. And in terms of on the floor specifically, it's around form over function, making sure that we're long and strong, fundamentals of what I think people should be able to do. Yeah, in a nutshell, I think really it's all around the human first, and within that, I try to lean on my values heavily. Perfect. How, obviously, I didn't have the pleasure of running any of your interviews, which is probably a good thing because I probably would just hired you straight away. But that's one of the questions that we talk about often of your values and your principles, and you can obviously just roll them off the tongue, which I think is one of the things that I love about you is you're so clear on what's important to you, what you give a shit about, and we can see that on the gym floor. Have you always been the kind of person that knows what you value and what's important to you, or is it something that you've kind of added layers to over the years? Yeah, I think anyone throughout life has to build layers. Mine came from adversity and probably having to experience a little bit more than others in the early phases of my life. And with that, when you deviate from where you want to be, I think it probably solidifies what's important to you. When you make mistakes along the way, I think it probably reiterates what's important to you. And yeah, I think that if you are someone that leans heavily on your values, or if you feel lost or whatever it is, I think you've got to have a North Star. I think you've got to know what's important to you and have clarity on that and why it's important to you. So yeah, I've just had affordances in life where I've been able to understand what's important to me. And yeah, it doesn't mean I get it right all the time, but at least I know when I'm not on the right path, I can get back to where I want to be. Yeah, and I think it gives you exactly that. It gives you something to fall back on, something to lean on when you've got decisions to make or things are going well or things aren't going well. Talk to me about how your education journey was obviously linked in with all of your coaching. You did a bachelor of exercise sports science, then you went on and did further study. Tell me what that looked like and how that's influenced you and what you give a position about. Yeah, I think it probably stems back to school. I had a rough trot in year 11 and 12 and I actually didn't get the ATAR I needed to go straight into my bachelor's. So yeah, so I did an alternative pathway. I did a health science sort of entry degree at La Trobe and then got what I needed to to go into exercise science second year straight away. Did that, went away and then I did a postgraduate in psychology at Monash. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it was different. You know, the typical pathway is that people do their bachelor's and then go to their master's, but I was probably in a phase in my life where I felt really strongly about the psychology element of the way we connect with people and the way that you can talk to people to influence the way they think, feel, behave and yeah. So I think that was really important for me at the time and yeah, I appreciated that. And then I've obviously done a fair bit more of continuous learning, which fits with my value of commitment to growth. So I love learning. I love feeling like I am bettering myself and bettering the opportunity that I can give to the people around me. So I think that's really important. How did that psychology degree kind of shape the way you coach now? Because I think it's like, you know, exercise science, general degrees do some like, they dip the toe in the water from a psychology perspective, but you know, obviously doing postgrad is another level altogether. How's that influenced kind of how you show up for work now? Yeah, I think it gives you the opportunity to lean on evidence more and that's really important, but I think honestly what I've learned more is around the experiences that I've had. I think that when you have certain moments in your life that make you think deeply and make you reflect a lot, that probably shapes the way I coach more than a psychology degree will. I mean, with any degree it's very theory driven and that doesn't always line up. So to me personally, my experiences through life have probably driven the way that I connect with people more and utilise the things that I take from psychology to implement on a practical level. So yeah, it's probably not the answer that you'd want to hear. But that's almost the right answer is like, who we are is driven mostly by our experience and how we interact with that experience and how we process that experience. Do you have systems or things that you do now or that you've developed over the last couple of decades that help you articulate those experiences or what you're learning or how you're interacting with those experiences? No, not really. I think that the main thing is when you reflect deeply on things, they shape the way that you should operate moving forward and that's how your value system is built upon, right? You figure out what's important, you think about the moment, you think about what could have been different and how you would utilise it moving forward. So when you reflect deeply on those things and sit in the moment a little bit, I think you take more out of it and then take that into what's next. And hopefully that's what everyone's doing in terms of when you don't lose your learn, right? I think so when you take opportunities as learning moments, you can think about them and think about what might have been different and how you could have done things different and then hopefully people will just take them moving forward. It's cliche, but it's just growth mindset. Yeah, 100%. I can either take the shit that happens and be grumpy about it and be angry at the world or I can go, okay, well, what's this teaching me? How do I move on? How do I learn? Talk to me about your, obviously most recently you've been at Frankston the last couple of years. Talk me through that experience, what it's like heading up that program, building relationships, driving for performance, but obviously that being a part of the bigger picture. Yeah. So I've been at Frankston for three years now. Like I said, I crossed over from Casey, which was an awesome time being able to learn from a few people there, but the opportunity to lead my own program and lead people around me was probably too good to pass up. So I did that and I think that, yeah, with the program, you can really easily go into a new environment and think you've got to be someone else because you're heading up a program, but I think people resonate most and the success that I've had with connections and people and outcomes has been just off of being myself and trusting that that's where the group needs me to be. So, you know, I love to play. I'm a bit of a big kid. I like to laugh. I connect with people, ask questions, and that's been the biggest thing with my program and with that has come a lot of trust in the way that I do things and the things that I'm asking them to do. They really believe that it's beneficial for them and I can explain the why of things and how it's going to connect to helping them grow and be better people and athletes. And, you know, you try to layer in psychology things around that so that they think about their performance, not just on field, but the things they're doing around that. But yeah, I think that the environment's been super special. You know, Frankston's a community club and that's something that we've really tried to drive the last few years, so connecting with the community, connecting with our fans, and it's been really special. So yeah, I've loved the opportunity and then moving forward, you know, hopefully making the jump into the AFL when something pops up and I'm the right fit. But until then, I think, yeah, it's really just around doing a good job where you are now, not thinking about, like, for you to do a good job where you want to be, you've got to do a good job now. So just making sure that I'm constantly coming back to what's important to me and what I think is relevant for the program right now. Yeah, that's cool. And I think that's a good way of looking at it, is like, you can have aspirations and intentions and goals and expectations for where you want to be, but you need to be where your feet are first and contribute to that thing. How's your, how's the program changed and how have you changed over the three years you've been there? Yeah, I think the biggest change is when I came in, I had come from an environment where I got to see a high level of professionalism and I think I brought that along with me, you know, the attention to detail, the way we'd approach the warm up, the way we would approach our conditioning, the structure of things. And that's probably been the biggest one to take our program to the next level was to, you know, not just treat them like they're part-time athletes, but like really thinking about how we can move the needle and make sure that we are competitive with, you know, players that are coming back from the AFL and we don't, we'll never ever use it as an excuse as to why they can't perform because we believe in our program and we know that the things that we're asking them to do will set them up to succeed when they do come across full-time athletes. So yeah, I think the biggest one has been around the professionalism, going back to connection and I think, which wasn't directly related to me, but making football fun again for the players that were coming into the club, you know, not saying I have to go to training, it's I get to go to training and we, yeah, we try to make the environment as much as what it can be their club. So we don't have local players playing at Frankston, like we have Frankston players playing at local level when they're not in the team. So making sure that our club is where they want to be and where, you know, I'm lucky enough that the value of the, one of the big values of the club is connection, so. Yeah, and that's such a cool to hear about that from a, like what you're actually trying to build because obviously there's the, you know, there's the mindset aspect of it of like, you know, the boys rocking up and being like, I get to be here rather than I have to be here, which, you know, is part of it. But then if you layer in the environment part and then you layer in the connection part and all those three are, you know, in the, in a good head space and, you know, this is a big aspect of what we try and do at Virtus is like, we want to build fun and enjoyment and progress and performance and connection into day to day so that you actually want to be here and you actually want to be, you know, the boys actually want to be at training because you're always going to have those days where you're just like, I can't be fucked, but you want to be able to leave going, I'm really glad I did it. And I'm really glad I ticked it off. Yeah. Um, talk me through what the, the growth areas for you, Frankston, uh, over the next and here over the next, you know, six, 12 months. What are you, what are you looking forward to? Yeah, I think in terms of myself and Frankston, you know, I love to reflect on ways that I can be better. And I think, uh, for me is consistently trying to branch out into other avenues, you know, like acute rehab, making sure that my data science skills are consistently getting up to par. You know, what we're seeing is this evolution of sports science that brings in artificial intelligence and people are more frequently learning how to code. And you know, it's not to say that you have to be everything cause I don't think that's the, that's the way to go at all, but I think you've got to have a level of understanding in all of those things. And um, yeah, for me it's around just making sure that my systems are clean, concise. I'm, I'm on top of the things that I'm trying to do. Like it's not, it's not always easy doing multiple things. I think like at one point I might have five jobs, so trying to make sure that I am prioritizing what's important. I am staying on top of, you know, all the data and making sure that I'm having the right conversations with people. So just making sure that I'm getting better at what I'm already doing and taking that to another level and then reflecting on the program. You know, how can we, how can we make the program fun? How can we give it a different iteration of what it currently is? So we're entering a different sort of phase with our, with our program that is seeing a new wave of players coming through and with that brings different opportunities and um, different contextual factors that mean we might be able to push them more and um, and whatnot. So yeah, just reflecting on the program and thinking about what we can do better and much, much to the same of what I'm trying to get better at. It's like, how do we get better at what we're already doing? Because a lot of people are doing very similar things. So it's not, it's not trying to reinvent the wheel, but it's like stripping things back. Like less is more for us, I think in a time poor environment. So how can we layer up our speed training? How can we layer up like what we're doing in drills? Like all of those sorts of things. So that, yeah, I really think the more that you go on, it's not, it's not about more, it's about like higher quality things. So that's that. Um, and then in terms of here, it's around, you know, like I've just started getting my hands dirty on the head of coaching and development. So thinking about ways that I can make the space better or help contribute to make the space better to make sure that our conversations and where they need to go to make the people better. Um, and yeah, just hopefully leaning, leaning into the connection side of things, making sure that our members are enjoying the training that they're doing. Um, and yeah, that's probably it for me. Yeah, nice. And it's, and it's been super fun, you know, spending more time talking about what we're doing, what we're building. And I think that that point around like sharpening the sword is, is so important because you can like more isn't better. And I, and I think like there's a specially with, you know, how much shit everyone has on everyone's, you know, pushing the limits in terms of time commitments and energy commitments. And, um, you know, they're maximizing their resources in any way they can for somewhere like Frankston or somewhere like Virtus being able to be a space that, you know, allows you to look after yourself, give back, you know, give back a little bit of that energy, um, and then build more capacity. Like that's ultimately what we're here for. Like you and I both resonate on the kind of growth and development as, you know, one of our key, um, key values and key principles around, around what we do. And I think the, the really, you know, the thing that I resonate with you the most, I think is just that like, all right, well, it doesn't necessarily matter, you know, on this specific method or the thing, it's all right, how do we collectively get better? Whether it's this thing or that thing, it doesn't necessarily matter. It's just around how do we move the needle, do it in a way that is built for longterm and suits the individual. Yeah. I think like variability is good for anyone, but on a fundamental level, they've got to be long and strong. They've got to move well. Um, and yeah, I think if they, you know, we're not necessarily overly driven by performance, but what we are driven by is making sure that they're lifelong athletes and that they're enjoying the environment they're in. And similar to the Frankston stuff, like we want people to think like how good is Virty? Like I love coming to train and if you can let people leave or if they leave and they feel, Hey, I feel so much better than when I came in and geez, that was hard, but I know how good that was for me. And I've got people in this community that care about me that see what I'm doing and see me for me. That's probably the most important thing. So fostering a community that, you know, welcomes all people, um, introducing people from different walks of life. And, um, yeah, that's really special to me and to us. So, and it's really easy to overcomplicate all of this, all the training data and all of the things and all of the inputs, but ultimately humans are relatively simple. Like we just need to do things we like with people we enjoy in a space where we feel like we belong. And then we, you know, we work in a way that allows us to move the needle in the things that are important to us. Um, and I think that's the, you know, essentially the, you know, the elevator pitch for what we do is just like, we want it to be fun. We want you to move the needle and we want you to connect with good humans. Um, and obviously we've got, you know, there's a lot of, um, areas of growth and things that we're working on, um, in the background, but one of the big ones will be the next couple of months in the off season program. Um, give us your thoughts around, you know, kind of what it's going to look like, how, like, how we're going to deliver it, um, and how it's, how, and what the, I guess the context is that it's built off. Yeah. I think the context is that, you know, part of my purpose is to be able to provide an environment for others to grow. And within that we thought here, hey, why don't we, why don't we give these, these athletes, these, these humans an environment that they can go to the next level in. And we thought that combining our experience across, you know, VFL, um, myself in high performance, and then as well as, you know, local football for the both of us, it would be a great opportunity to set out an environment that lets people come in and, and take the next journey in their, in their footballing career. So whether it's a, whether it's an under 18s player trying to make the jump to senior football, an inconsistent ones player that wants to solidify themselves, or just a really high level football that wants to go to the next level, it sort of caters for all. And I think that, yeah, what we're trying to do is just give them the tools, what they might not get otherwise to be able to go to the next level and set themselves up for what we're saying is their best year yet. So yeah, I think that a strong off season leads into a strong preseason and a strong preseason leads into a strong in season. So with that, it's, it's not about burning the candle early, right? Like November's heroes are April's fools. So, um, it, like, it's, it's definitely not a program where we flog people straight away, but it is about layering stimuluses in and making sure that we're hitting the right things when we need to. And that when we go back to training, we've already experienced the stress that they will back then. So then what we get with that is a lower injury risk and yeah, there's a lot of things that can, um, that can sort of go by the wayside across an individual's off season. So I think that's probably the most important thing. Yeah. And I think it's, it is really easy to kind of just let the next couple of months go and, and, and, you know, there's, there is like this, it's a long, 40 seasons is a long time, right? So, so I think this is the building in intention and enjoyment and things like that into it, that if we can move the needle and not feel as though we're starting from scratch in, you know, end of November, if we can move the needle over the next few months, keep contributing to the thing. Um, you know, we look, we talk about like, you know, training consistency and longevity and all of these kinds of things, but the, the, the, you know, the elite athletes, the local athletes that I see consistently do the best are the ones that just stack, you know, brick on brick every month, every week, every year. Um, and I think that this place, the way you coach at Frankston, the way that we want this program to run is just around like, you know, let's stack some really intentional bricks so that the foundation for your preseason, you know, isn't just, Oh shit, I'm sore or injured in Feb. I need to, I need to sort my shit out. You know, when you're already five months past where you, you know, where you could have, and we know the second best time to plant a tree is right now. So it's, it's almost that like, Oh, how do we get the wheels turning now to make everything work better down the track? Yeah. I mean, with anything, you know, like we know that the qualities to detrain happens relatively quickly, but it also, yeah, but it also, it also doesn't take that much to hold onto them. So when you're looking at, when you're looking at things around, you know, the dials, like you turn down on certain dials, but it's not to say that they're completely off. It's just to say, well, what's the minimum requirement for us to hold onto this quality so that we're not chasing after it down the line. And when you do that, it starts getting a little bit hard. But yeah, for us in the early phase, it's around, you know, regenerating, making sure that we're enjoying getting our body moving again, doing things. We feel like we've got a bit in the tank. So yeah, that's sort of where it, where it lands. Yeah. And I, and I think this is the, you know, what I'm really excited about is we're not just going, Oh, this is what I think we should do. We've been talking, you know, both as coaches, as you know, athletes, um, I'm more washed up than you are. Um, but as you know, we've now like I'm about to turn 35. Fuck. That's wild. Um, I've got all this experience in different levels of football, both as a player and as a coach, you're the same. Um, and I think the, you know, being able to draw off our experience and, and, you know, collectively this place, the experience just helps people be better, which, you know, simple line it's on the wall, but it's, it's that, how do we find those little things that make a massive difference? Um, the low hanging fruit from a movement sense. So we know that, you know, if we, if we can be consistent November, December, Jan, Feb, the likelihood of getting injuries, lower, injured, lower, um, you know, like most of us, most of us who play at local clubs or, you know, around local footy, you know, there's always that like rush to get everyone back from injury and stuff like that, you know, around 17, 18. And the thing that, you know, being at Frank's and YSW and running their program for the last few years, the thing that we wanted to change was that, well, if everyone's available throughout the year and you can get yourself into a position where, you know, you've built consistency as a group, you're all playing together, you've got continuity in your body and how you're playing. Um, and you're not, you know, you're not trying to, you know, go at a hundred Ks now when you you've only got the capacity for 70 come finals, you're going to be in much better, better position. Um, and, and even, you know, if we zoom out again, outside of that particular football season, like we're just, we're building competency capacity, um, year on year on year, and you end up getting to a point where your performance is, you know, there's nothing, nothing left, um, no stone left unturned and there's, there's, uh, no controllable that you're not going, yep, I'm ticking this off because this is the thing injuries happen. You know, we doing lots of training, you know, and doing good training doesn't remove your chance of getting injured. What it does is it creates a, a system that is resilient and robust that if you do get injured, you're going to get back quicker and you're going to be more effective when you do get back and you're going to be able to prepare not only to play, but to perform as well. Um, talk me through the structure of the, the eight weeks off season program and I guess the, maybe the principles that are, um, that it's built upon. Yeah. I mean, I've sort of touched on it already, but the first couple of weeks are really around, you know, reintroducing conditioning after, after what has been a long, a long season for a lot of people. Yeah. Um, now there's flexibility within that, but for us it's around just making sure that, you know, we're starting to get out of boots, we're getting back into runners, we're, um, running on variable surfaces. But the main thing is that we're enjoying moving again and we're starting to layer in the things that are going to set us up for what happens in three, four weeks time. So across the whole eight weeks, I think it's around, it's around 24, uh, gym sessions, it's 22 runs. So the first couple of weeks only have two runs in the week. Um, but then it starts to pick up from there. So, you know, we've got four separate phases where we layer in different stimuluses around, you know, high speed running, boots, agility, change of direction, speed, all of those things. So, uh, we progressively layer those in so that we're not hitting it all in one week. Um, you know, if you, if you do them all in one week and something goes haywire, well, you don't know what's actually going wrong. So we progressively layer in those different stimuluses and make sure that they are in there at the right time. But yeah, and it follows similar suit in the gym, you know, like making sure that we're progressively overloading, but we're stripping back to the fundamental of long and strong, like I've already touched on. In season, what we get is a lot of short and range lifts and the stimulus changes to more power based stuff and, um, and whatnot. So yeah, for us, it's around early days, just making sure we're getting back to foundations of really high quality lifting. We're going through a more controlled, more controlled tempo. We're going through higher ranges of, of motion, lotion. Motion is lotion. Motion is lotion though. Um, and yeah, making sure we get into those fundamentals of what our lifting is about. So with that we get greater tissue health and capacity and, um, and then that starts to set us up for the higher intensity stuff later on, which we absolutely get to. It's just about making sure that at this time of the year we're hitting the right things. Um, so yeah. And yeah, I think as an athlete everyone has their, Oh yeah, I'll get back to it when I get back to it and I'll just have a couple of months off and I'll, and I'll cruise in. And I think, you know, like as someone that's had to deal with a few chronic injuries and knows all this stuff, it's, it's been a nice little reminder to just keep doing, keep tipping in a little bit often because that's the thing that actually allows you to, to, to perform. Like, you know, I felt like this year the season ended quick because I only got, I got rolling real late, but, and I think the programs like this are essentially, you know, to help, um, mitigate against, against those kinds of issues. Um, all right. Enough about the program. I think, um, you know, essentially you guys will see lots of info about it, about when it starts and how you can get started and the different options and things like that. Um, so we won't bore you with that now, but I've got three more questions for you. Yep. First one, what are you most proud of? Now it's Jordy time again. Yeah. I'm probably most proud of my resilience. I think, uh, like I sort of touched on, I think that, you know, I've probably had to deal with more than most at this age of my life. And, you know, the last, the last few years have been really, really strong, but you know, from up until about the point 20, it was pretty tough sailing. So, um, yeah, I'm really proud of how I can use my lessons, reflect and try to be better. I think that's, um, yeah, I think that's something I'm really proud of. So I love that. Yep. What are you most excited for? Wow. Um, I'm probably, yeah, I'm probably most excited for the next, you know, five years of my life. I think it's, uh, it's definitely scary getting to that age that I am like 27, 28, but I think that with the next five years comes a whole set of new challenges. And I think that I test you in different ways and they ask different questions of you. And that for me is, it's scary because it's uncertain, but within that it's exciting because yeah, there's, there's so many more avenues to grow and to learn. And, um, yeah, I think that's, that's pretty special. So I'll bet. Last one. What's the best piece of advice that you have been given or that you do give out consistently? Yeah. Best piece of advice. I think, I think it probably comes back to agency and you and I talk about this a lot, but you know, one of both of our favorite books is Man's Search for Meaning by, by Viktor Frankl. But I think that when you look at agency, everyone has a choice and when all things are stripped away from you, you still have a choice about how you approach the next moment. So whether it's, you know, you're in a bit of a rut with your off season training, you still have a choice about how you want to approach the next moment and how you approach each different scenario that comes your way. So just understanding that things, your attitude is within your control is probably the most important thing within my life. You know, you can kick up a stink and say, why me? And, and be the victim, but you know, you're in control of your own destiny. And I think when you make the right decisions, you, you lean on your values and, and what your compass is. I think that holds you in really good stead. So yeah, perfect, perfect way to finish, control the controllables, look after the good things in your life and allow yourself to, to appreciate what is not what isn't. So Jordan, pleasure. Thank you. As always, get around him, he's a ripper. Enjoy, I hope you enjoyed this. Yeah, that's it. Get around the off season program, get around Virty. If we can help in any way, you know where to find us. Best year yet.