Special · Christmas Special Ft Wallace, Pulse, KP, Tommy Tee, Jess and Kate

Except for the Virtus Annual Podcast! Is it annual? Did we make it annual? What's the Virtus annual? Hey guys, welcome to the Virtus Christmas Podcast. It's currently the 23rd of December, we're sitting here with... We're not making gravy. We are not making gravy, that was two days ago. Gravy was made, gravy was delicious. It doesn't taste the same, but we'll get there. Give your love to Angus. Give your love, always give your love to Angus. Today I sat down with the amazing crew of Tommy Turlak, Keandra Patterson, Kate Wormell, Jess Ryan and Jared Polser and we had a...

Wait, is it Jess or Jesse Carr? Oh wow. Here's your name, Jesse. This shouldn't be an intro. Yeah, so I've got my full name. We just ruined the intro. I'm not Tommy. But that's okay, shut up. Tommy T underscore if you guys are looking for love or photos. We sat down and talked about all things 2017, all things 2018. We talked about life, we talked about love. Tommy T underscore at Instagram if you're looking for it. We just had a really cool chat. If you guys are on your way to family or if you're driving, make sure you're on CarPlay or hands-free, that would be great.

If you've got a couple of hours before you hang out and enjoy Christmas with your family, we thought we'd record a little something for you guys to listen to and something to enjoy and as a chance for you all to reflect on an amazing 2017 that it has been and I guess the 2018 that is right around the corner, if you did enjoy the podcast, if you have been enjoying the podcast, please rate, review, subscribe, jump on Podbean, jump on iTunes, jump on Instagrams, Facebooks, tell someone to listen. My mum listens now, she listens more than me.

Your mum's the best though. She's the best. Shout out to Debbie. Shout out to Debbie Terlak, if you're listening, you are a 12 out of 10, 12 out of 10 human. I don't know how you ended up with Tom but you did good, you did real good. One and two tenths is a mixed number, there you go. That's confusing, that's all very confusing for me. Such a teacher. But yeah, if you guys did enjoy it, load up on it, the greatest gift you can give this Christmas is the Virtus podcast so without further ado, let's roll.

My personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day. I believe everyone, especially normal people have a story to tell. The Virtus podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey and experiences of each of our guests. How do you get revved up for it? I get super nervous for a podcast, I don't actually get revved up, I just like sit here shaking for like two to three minutes and then eventually press record. That's why I tried to do Christmas carols, to help calm you down.

Christmas carols would not have helped. I reckon try, just like turning on recording and just starting and then like, alright, now I'm starting once you're like comfortable and you're like. I'm not comfortable yet, I'm nervous. Has your consumption of gin increased since you've been podcasting? Significantly. I am now 90% gin. Direct correlation with when the podcast starts. Yeah. You can check it easily. Yeah. Is that causation or? Look, like causation is directly related to, it's directly correlated with it. So many maths terms already, I like it. I know. Guys. I'm so nervous, I was going to hug myself, that's me, Wallace.

Welcome to the podcast, we're doing something a little bit differently today. We've got one, two, three, four, five, six humans in the building. Because... It's getting hot in here. Six peanuts. Yeah. A little bit of a Christmassy podcast, we thought we'd sit down and chat a couple days before Christmas, so when everyone gets sick of their families, they have something to listen to. To this family. Yeah. Listen to this absolute rubbish, and then you know, then you can sit here and sit there and think that maybe your family isn't that dysfunctional, if you've got all of us here.

So what we're going to do is we'll introduce everyone that's here, we're going to go around the little circle we've got going on, and I want you guys to elevate a pitch who you are. In a couple of seconds, go. Pulsy. Why me first? Because you're right in front of me. Okay. I'm Jared, Pulsy, Moo, amongst other names. Yeah, that'll do. What do you do, mate? I've been on the podcast before, I don't need to introduce myself. Go back and listen. Go back and listen. What about the new listeners? What number? Four? Five? Four or five?

Poppy insulated that. That's on Poppy. We need to know who you are. Yeah. You interviewed me a couple of weeks ago. Oh, yeah, two, yeah. Third time on the podcast, so if you want to know more, go back and listen. I'm Jess, newest person at Virtus. Second newest. Second newest. Part of the furniture. I'm part of the furniture at Virtus now. Yeah. If you were furniture, what would you be? That's a good question. That answer could tell us a lot about who you are. I know, I was going to say chair, but I don't want you to sit on me.

I will be an Ottoman. I didn't say Ottoman. Because you can be a chair, but you must be a table. Versatile. Why don't we do what? I'm Jess. Versatile. I'm versatile and doubtful. I'm a chair. Why did you decide to leave your job and join Virtus? Is this a quick intro? Yeah. Real quick. Real quick. Wasn't happy at my last job and it was taking away from all of my values. So you're saying that you weren't happy and you changed things, and now are you happy? Yes. Oh, good. Yeah. So Virtus makes me happy. Stop it.

Kate, talk to us. Who are you? I'm Kate. I'm 28. I like long walks on the beach. And moving, apparently. Who doesn't? And riding. And jingling. And jingling, and dogs. Perfect. And now you can get into over 28's clubs. Is that something that you've been hanging out for for the last six to 10 years? Pretty much, yeah. Awesome. Yeah, my life is now complete. You're there. Yeah. I've made it. I've made it, everyone. I'm KP. Keandra. Jane Patterson. Jane with a Y. J-A-Y-N-E. Just to let you know. Are those playing at home? If you're sitting there writing it down.

Patterson won. Don't do two teas for Patterson, mitt and roe, always gets it wrong. Yeah, I'm KP. Cool. Tommy, tell us something fun. I'm the one responsible for getting Lachlan into gin before, I don't know, ruining everyone else for gin now. Just destroying it. No, I'm not. I'm also the one that got him into Little Dragon, which is also trying to kill, I don't know, I feel like I have an influence on you at the moment. You are. I'm enjoying it. Coming into- Good or bad? I have gin. Overwhelmingly bad. 42. It's overwhelmingly bad. It's overwhelmingly positive, right?

Because you've helped me find other things that I am passionate about and that I love doing. And someone said to me that I have an addictive personality. I would agree with that. Do you guys agree? Yeah. I don't need a hesitation. Do you feel like that was said five minutes ago? No. Kate said that I have ADHD. I retracted that statement. You retracted? It's now on the record. Uh oh. Is that socially responsible for you to tell me that I have ADHD? That's why she pulled it back. That's why I retract it. So we've all had a pretty big year, being 2017, 360, 50 something days in.

60? I don't know. What has been your guys' biggest moment? Single biggest moment for 2017? Jess, hit me. Ooh. First off of that. Biggest moment? It probably wasn't a specific moment. It would be a week. I think biggest week for me, I left two jobs, finished placement, finished uni, and then started a new job the next week. So that was really big in terms of change and sort of an era coming to an end and then starting a new one. Awesome. Yeah. Big year of change. Yeah. That's cool. KP, what's been your biggest moment? Yes, I asked you because you've got a mouthful of ice.

I have ice in my mouth. Not ice in my mouth. Can't believe I imparted you. You knew I would ask myself just then and ask you. Let's not edit this out at all. That is just good leaving a podcast out there. I had to finish the glass. My biggest moment would have been, what was that, the question? Yes. My first day at my new job this year, I got my first teaching job and it was just a job in primary school. I've never worked in primary school before. Never done a place. You went to primary school?

I went to primary school. That was a long time ago. I was secondary trained. So then to get a job in primary, I was like, I have no idea what I was doing. Being out on my own in primary school, you don't have anyone to go for help. I went to my sister-in-law's all the time. Every answer is a joke and our tone is, I don't know, so I go to him knowing I'll get it. I don't know. But yeah, getting a job. Biggest moment. Awesome. That's really cool. That's awesome. Policy. We've had two humans who are relatively fresh into what they're doing.

You're a veteran. I've probably peaked. I've actually failed this year, so I'm over the hill in terms of what I can do in the world. No, just kidding. Biggest thing of mine, I actually bought a block of land this year, which is cool. Getting into land ownership. I think at this stage, I might be able to afford a veranda from JD on Scruffs. Yes. That's amazing. Well, maybe a tent, maybe, so me and my partner, Jess, have been scoping out like rays outdoors and stuff for high quality tents, so at one point, we might be able to put a tent on our land.

But no, that's exciting. Maybe a spot for gay seniors to come and dance and hang out. I don't know about that, but we'll see. We'll see. It's not zoned for that anyway, so. Oh, it's not? No, no. Unfortunately not. What's with red tape ruining everything? Oh, I know. Bureaucrats. Don't get me started. That's pretty huge. Yeah, no, it's exciting. Yeah, very thankful for Jess and being with her, able to afford and get into the market. Yeah? Yeah, it's cool. Really cool. How long do you have to wait till you can build your veranda? But yeah,

at the moment, we drove past, it's still a paddock, there's a couple of horses still on it, so I'm going to be saying 12 months, 12 to 18 months before we can get close to building, which is good because it gives me an opportunity to save some more money. Beautiful. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So, my whole year's been a moment and it's all been big, and I'm going to leave it at that. Play on. Play on. But you're rolling now, right? Yeah. Kicking goals. Kicking. Superstar. Kicking straight goals. Tommy! I don't think it's like an individual moment.

We're probably traveling this year, like I was away for nearly two months. America. So, Canada for Daddy and Sarah's wedding, and then a month and a half in America, and then London for a week. So, just lots of traveling came back with just like, I don't know, a lot of different thoughts on what I want to do next, and what's going to happen, and yeah, just a big kind of like growing up, kind of growing up, yeah, you came back and you're like, I think I want to buy a house. Oh, well I thought about it, and like...

That's silly. And that's a bad thing? I just said that was my big moment and you just trashed me. No. Hey, come on. It was just my land. My land and you and Miranda. No, it was just a fight. Thanks. I might just let myself out now. No, but it was just funny to have him come back and it was like one of the first things he said. He's like, I think I want to buy a house. Yeah, I was like, traveling made me think about growing up, but then I was like, that lasted a little bit.

I was like, no, I want to travel. And then you get back to, yeah, back to real world. It's weird that you come back from traveling and go, I want to buy a house, because buying a house kind of locks you into that one spot. Yeah, it wasn't too much like, I want to buy a house, it was just like, okay, maybe I'm ready for that kind of growing up, settling down, being a proper adult. How old are you now? I am 26. Oh, treat yourself good for me. No, don't do the adulting thing. No. Again, I'm right here, guys.

But different single, like all those kind of things, different circumstances, but it's like, I don't know. Shockingly single. Did you hear that, ladies? Shockingly single. Tell me your 100 Tommy T. Just follow @TommyT_ on Instagram for some rad, rad information. Just follow @TommyT_ on Instagram for some rad information. He could be your insta-boyfriend that you've been wanting for all of these years. Isn't that what girls are wanted for Tommy's boyfriend? You're my insta-boyfriend. It's pretty much true. You're not wrong. And I love it. But yeah, it was more just like, okay, it was just a time to think about what's next.

Is it so rad? Is it be an adult? Is it... Because I still probably want to go live overseas. I want to do so many things, it was like, all right, what's the next chapter look like? So what have you decided? What is next chapter? I think I do want to go live overseas, but shit, yeah. Where? I don't know where. I think it would be... Stereotype. Tyad? We went one, two, three. Tyad. You could come live in Tyad with me. I don't know. So... I've been to America six times in five years. Which is huge.

It has to be the America. I do like America. I have an affinity with New York, and I really like it, but I would only move for career or opportunities. It would just be for the sake of moving. If you move for the sake of moving, you could get there, and career opportunity could come. So I would just keep my ears and eyes open for things popping up. That's cool. I've got a friend that just moved back to America. I've got a friend which I'm meeting later today after this podcast who's in London who's just

opening Chain of Cafes, and he's addicted, so this thing's happening, and people that I'm talking to about stuff, so just being ready for whatever things thrown at me, I guess. I like that. How about you, Law? Oh, damn it. I've had two big moments this year. Moment number one... I've had three big moments. I'm going to steal all the moments. I was thinking about... Oh, we had a big one. We were in our team lunch yesterday, and everyone gave their moments, and I gave the obnoxious answer of this moment, because it's magical, and it's fleeting, and it's the present, but I'll...

I think a tumbleweed just rolled past the door. So I gave an obnoxious, sarcastic answer yesterday, but my three big moments is there was one day early in the year where I was sitting in my office, and I had printed out all of the bills I had to pay, and there was a few thousand dollars more bills than there was money in the bank, and that was... I was just sitting there going, "Fuck, I don't know if I can do this," and then the other half of that was a little bit before Jess started doing part of the payroll stuff, and I had...

I know it was a while before that, but I had, yeah, a bunch of bills in front of me, and then I paid them, and there was more money in the bank than there were bills I had to pay early in the year, if that makes sense. So that was a nice feeling, that was super cool to have that, and then the other moment that kind of adds onto that is I had... I was sitting there listening to a podcast talking about growing businesses, and the guy from Intrepid Travel, it was an adventure fit radio podcast, if you guys haven't listened to it, get around it, because it's awesome.

The guy from Intrepid Travel was talking about him and his business partner set a minimum travel time for them, three months, because they love travel, they were starting a business, right? So they were going to set a maximum, but they ended up setting a minimum because they realised that that was the thing that allowed them to grow their business because they were able to delegate and handball off and things like that. And I think about four or five days later, much to KP's excitement, I booked a six-week trip to South America, which at the time,

if I went then, I wouldn't have been able to leave the gym and leave Virtus by itself, but that has made me hire Jess, hire Coop, hire Mum to do a lot more admin stuff, and hire Mitchie, or get Mitchie to do a lot more of the back of house stuff. And yeah, now the whole team's kind of rolling, which is cool, and I genuinely don't think I have to be there all the time for it to be growing, which is a crazy, scary, exciting kind of thing for me. Having only been in business for two years and 14 months or so by myself, it's a cool feeling.

So that's been my moment. Those three moments were kind of accumulating to what's made 2017 so amazing, and what's made me so excited for 2018. Do you know, that's funny that that's a different answer to what you said last night. What was my answer last night? Also your moment, you had three last night when I asked you, your first one was yesterday Christmas lunch. That was a little bit more superficial though. Yeah, but still a different answer. It's meaningful. And the other one was you on top of a mountain in New Zealand. Yep. Butt naked. And the other one was top of a stairway to heaven in Hawaii.

Naked. Oh, you did get naked. Yeah, I did. Yeah, no, that's fair. Four girls that were like, "Don't look yet, turn around," as they got up there too. Yeah, how'd that happen? But I don't know, it's an interesting, I guess, insight because if I sat here now and listening to you guys all talk about yours, they're the three things that I keep thinking about in terms of work. And I guess I'm in my office, so I'm probably in a work head space. But they're the things that allow me to stand on top of more mountains nude and stuff.

Why the nude? Why the nude? It's a good feeling. Is it? It's an amazing feeling. Is it? If you've got a body like Wallace. True. I mean, you're biased in this stuff. You still have booty shade in his Santa pajamas. I don't want it. Cheers if you do. I don't know, it's an interesting one because I did a couple of standing on top of a mountain nude photos last year. I think I did the first one with Butters. Butters, shout out, great man, actually did one first. We went to Mount Oberon in Wilson's prom for sunrise, and Butters was like, "Can you take a photo?"

And I'm like, "Shit, yeah." And he got his glutes out and treat yourself. And then I'm like, "If I don't do it now, I'll never do it." Jumped in, did it. Broke the internet. Yeah, broke the internet. It's just an amazing, it's genuinely just an amazing feeling. The social media side is secondary. It's funny and it gets a good reaction and then- Everyone loves it. It's like, "Oh, I was waiting for that," or, "I was expecting that to happen." Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's calling now. Yeah, we did that one. I've done one in a while.

We did that one. I'm expecting a Butters calendar at some point. We're going to have to go traveling, and we should do it- Oh, no, we have to go traveling. Damn. Good. Bummer. All right, fine, we'll do it. Butts and Butters. And then I did one, I did a couple in Tassie early this year, and then did a couple in New Zealand. The New Zealand one was extra special because we're on top of a mountain looking at Mount Cook, which is the tallest mountain in New Zealand, with glaciers all around us. We were the only two there.

We'd hiked all day, and we're sitting there, and we both did it, and it was just like, "You just stand there for five minutes, freezing bits off," but it was an amazing, amazing feeling. So if you guys haven't done it and everyone listening, if you haven't stood naked in a cool spot, just do it. It's liberating. It's liberating is the perfect word. Is it like the skinny dip? Is it like... Ah, it's different. Like a feeling of freedom? Yeah, it is a feeling of freedom, but you can kind of hide a little bit in a skinny dip.

Nothing's... You're more vulnerable. Yeah, nothing's... Well, there you go. It's a metaphor for life, right? Stand on top of a mountain, open yourself up to the world and be vulnerable. I don't know if I would use that language again. Can we put that on a poster? Make a t-shirt. Put that on a t-shirt. Or a billboard. Can we please do that on the billboard? 100%. Off-pitch link, coming in, boys in. What are you guys... So obviously 2017's been huge. What is your focus or goal or aim or what do you want to do in 2018 that didn't happen this year?

Kate, talk to me. She's just looking at the gym. She's looking at the gym. Obviously you can't see it as a podcast, there's about nine bottles of gin on a shelf from Lachie's office. What do I want to do this year that I didn't... 10, 11. Yeah, exactly. Learn more, have more fun, go more places. Lame. Dig deeper, mate. We're all friends. Come on. No. What do you want to learn about? Everything. She wants this podcast to be done. Where do you want to go? I want to go to Italy, London, Portugal. Awesome. When? Are you booked in?

September. No. Amazing. Why there? Then? And why there? September, just timeline, workline, lifeline wise. Good. Logistics. Italy, I want to make pasta on a clip-top. Awesome. Naked. If you do that naked, amazing. That would be the best thing. You own the Queen Class, everyone's like, "What are you doing?" This is how we do it in Australia. What is it? Here's what we should put on our t-shirt, WWWD. What would Wallace do? And Wallace would cook that pasta naked. But it would be me. He'd also end up in the hospital with birds on things. I just have ice ready and frozen water.

Why Portugal? Don't know. Just a feeling. I hope it's really good things. Good beats. Very good beats. Just staying there. Just something different. And wanting to see one of my really good friends that moved there a couple of years ago. Awesome. Yep. See? Awesome. Pulse, what's 2018 look like for you? 0.6. Wallace is trying to make me work for Virtus, but I keep shutting that down quickly. We'll get there. We'll get there at one point. Morning. It's on the regular. I can't afford it at the moment, seriously. That's why. Yeah. 2018, I'm just looking to continue to grow as a person, as Kate said, learn new things.

But I have a goal of getting back into running a bit more vehemently and maybe have a crack at Melbourne Marathon next year and try and break that elusive 330 barrier or that carrot having tangled it in front of me. So hopefully everything goes to plan and I can have a decent crack in that at October. That's awesome. Which would be cool. And then maybe look to get into the triathlon game again a bit more, but we'll see how we go. But those are very individual goals for me. I did ask you. Yeah. That's not fair.

Yeah. But thanks, Lucky. No, those are probably my goals in terms of what I want to do next year. Super cool. Yeah. Just continue on the same trajectory is what I've been doing this year. Just build on what's been happening. So all good. It's all happening. Good for you. Yeah. K.P.? What was the question? What does 2018 look like for you? What do you want to happen? Hearing Polcie just talk about Melbourne Marathon, I've always said before I turn 25, I want to run a marathon. And I've turned 25 already and I haven't run a marathon.

So I failed that in the goal of my ring. And every year I was like, "Yeah, I want to run a marathon. I want to run a marathon." I did a half marathon a few years ago. It was pretty good. So I reckon next year I want to do Melbourne Marathon as well. Train with Polcie. Yeah. We can just run on his block of land. Yeah. Up and around the course. That's cool. There's a horse on my block of land. Name? I don't know. No, it's not my horse. Can you name it? It's not my horse.

Can I name the horse? Probably. Can we put Virtus branding on the horse? Branding? Branding or just branding? Right. Okay. Animal cruelty. Yeah. Whoa. If the RSPCA is listening, please turn off now. No. No, don't please turn off. Let us dig ourselves out. We haven't named Virtus landies yet. It's not my horse. Okay. Just name it. Finish your land. That's super exciting. Yeah, no. It's all happening. Jess? 2018 for me would be a year of consistency, so that's going to be my word of the year of consistency. Oh, good. Write that down. Put that on a t-shirt.

Write that down. Consistency. That would be a very boring t-shirt. But hey, what if you wore it every day for like a year? It would be consistent and I would have achieved my goal. It would also be very smelly. It would. Yeah, so this year I've had a lot of change. I feel like I've been up, down, up, down, up, down, so next year a massive goal for me would just be to continue to tick the boxes every day, be really consistent with all aspects of life, whether it be social, wealth, relationships, business, training, health, fitness, all of that be consistent with all of it and not have to be all or nothing.

Awesome. That's pretty cool. I'm looking forward to it, seeing you, you know, working at Virtus. Consistency is exactly what I'll need next year from you, so thank you. Brilliant. Great answer. Tommy? Thanks. What's happening next year? What are you going to pull the trigger on? What are you going to… Yeah. Yeah. I think obedience is a big thing for me, so remaining obedient to things and opportunities that pop up. When you say obedient, and I've talked to you about this before, but what do you mean? Podcast 13, I think. Yeah. 15. There's the plug. Was it 15?

Ah, see. So obedience is like, for me it's faith driven, so if things pop up, it's, I feel like it's been put there for a reason, it's from God, it's for a reason, so like assessing situations and being obedient to like opportunities as they arise, so sometimes, like so for instance, like in the podcast I talked about last time, there was an opportunity for me to move to New York for a really great job, high paying, like triple my pay, roasting coffee, doing those amazing things, but I just had no piece of that and just

couldn't get on board, so I just had to be obedient and just give it up, even though it's what I want on paper, but like, I just had to be obedient to the situation, and Common Folk is where I was supposed to be, and Mornington where I was supposed to be this year, so being obedient to situations, and I think next year it might look like doing some side projects, so there's potential to start making gin, there's potential to start doing, I mean, doing, but there's potential to do some more sort of side projects and

kind of like create some passive income and other like businesses, and I'm all talk, and I have been a lot of the time before this, so I think it's a year of like doing stuff. - So you mean you are living by your values and integrity in a bit? - Yes, for sure, for sure, yeah, so my integrity and my values is like, yeah, being obedient to God and the situations I feel like that have been placed in front of me, opportunities to be taken, as opposed to just like, I don't know, I feel like

sometimes it's so easy to make the option that looks good, as opposed to like, is this right for me in the situation, is it long term? - I like that, I like that in red, that's how much I like it, I like that a lot. - Yes or yes in red. - Yes or yes in red, so that's something I struggle with a lot is not just doing, and I guess we're probably opposite in that point where you sit and wait for, or not wait for things to happen, but you're not the let's just try it and throw shit at all and hope it happens, like, you rejig my quote, my favourite quote, what is?

- So my version is, do it shit today instead of tomorrow. - Play on. - Which is, what is the real quote? - The real quote is, an imperfect plan violently executed today is better than a perfect plan executed next week. - I feel like mine's a bit more snappy. - It is snappier, it would fit better on a t-shirt, but you're right, like, that's the, yeah. - Whereas my view's kind of opposite, it's like, and probably just some detriment because nothing's actually happened, so like, me sitting idle and thinking of things, having all these

thoughts and not doing anything, like, not really getting anywhere with it, so this next year's probably a year of action, and like, alright, try it, fail, see how you go. - And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but at least you're kind of crying. - Just stop. - Why not? - Just do it, right? - You're blank all the time. - That's why I'm not giving you the added-ass. - It's not, I couldn't have added-ass. - Blackie. - Can you give up your affiliation with the added-ass please? - Maybe. - Don't do it. - Oh, geez.

- What is good about added-ass? Point it out to me. - Clothing. - Well, catering. - Other than those, like, big logo shirts, they're, like, my favourite part of added-ass. Other than that, like, or Stan Smith's, maybe. - Oh yeah, they're the worst part of it, see, that's what you like Nike, you like Stan Smith's. - Or, the James Harden player edition, the first edition of those. - I am, I don't... - That's literally the only three things I like about added-ass. - You're currently wearing camouflage socks with pink teeth on it, so it looks like you just got pink teeth.

- I'm sponsored, Nike shoes and Virtus.T. - Yeah, play on. And that is a nice... - This is a big thing, alright, so, like, if you're gonna wear a brand, wear one brand, like, can you please not wear added-ass socks with Nike shoes? - Does that bother you? - Oh, so much! - I'm wearing five different brands. - Not competing brands, I think. You wear different brands, we can't... - You can wear different brands, it's not competing. - Yeah, correct. - So Nike socks with added-ass shoes, vice versa, you cannot do it. - I was doing that the other day, I had added-ass.

- Whereas you can wear snake-hole socks with Nike shoes. - With Nike shoes. - With Nike shoes. - With Nike shoes. - I was doing that the other day, I had added-ass shoes. - Whereas you can wear snake-hole socks with shoes because they don't fit you. - Shout out to the snake-hole boys, ding. - Ding, ding. - I had Nike socks on the other day with added-ass shoes, when Tommy was having a brand. - It doesn't matter. - Tom was having a brand, and I'm like, Tom, look at this. - Brand affiliation, just get on board.

- They're all made in the same sweatshop, shops for the same people. - Nah, Nike doesn't have sweatshops anymore, don't just approach the brand. - Yeah, alright mate. - Get out, they're one of the most socially responsible now. - Prove it. - Get on board. Read a thing. I'll find you a book. - No, read the Garment articles about who's socially responsible in garment making. - Yeah, alright. - Get on board. Nike is doing really good things. - We'll link that up in the show notes. - Yeah, we'll see what we can find. I don't know.

- Do you know who's bad? - To be honest? - Industry. - Yeah, really. - Industry like clothing. - Eat a bag of dicks, industry. - Bad, don't buy industry. I can't, I have like two shirts, I was like, I can't wear them anymore. - To all the mums, dads, sisters, brothers, aunties, uncles buying presents today. - Don't buy industry. - Don't buy industry. - Don't buy industry. - This will be out like late Christmas Eve, so if you guys realize that you know what, I won Virtus merch. Shoot me a text and I'll be down at Virtus.

Monday morning on Christmas Day, just ready to like sell merch. - Everything is about 200% mark up though. - Yes, yes. Public holiday pricings. - Where's the tea you should get for Virtus? Where's that made? - From AS Color who is socially responsible. - Bam, thanks Tommy for saving me. - Yes. - New Zealand based company, they're good. - Yeah, awesome. So, yeah. - Ding, ding. - Ding, ding. - Do you need any money from this? - I honestly don't have a problem with 20, whether I wear Nike shorts or other stuff I think. But I understand it.

- Do you know what I mean? - You want to be consistent, right? You want to be just as 2018. - I feel like I'm aligned with the brand, like I'm aligned with Virtus stuff, like that is my brand. - Yeah. - So I've aligned with Nike, so why would I do, we're out of that script. - What do Nike do for you? - But, you're not wearing the Virtus shorts in your own night, they're competition. - No, but that's. - Make a bit of shorts, Virtus. - That's fair, that's fair. - Yeah, more shorts. - It's all about quality, right?

- I'd say they're out of that shorts. - Savage company. - Nothing can't be improved? - Right. - You're double negative? - Yeah. - That's cool. - That's a good quote. - What is something that, if you guys could take one lesson or one like, soundbite piece of advice out of what's happened in 2017, what would you, what would you say, what would you give KP? - Oh, it's a question again. - If you could give one piece of advice to either future you or someone else, to what you've learnt in 2017, what would it be?

- Really simple, love yourself. And I knew you'll appreciate that. - For those listening, KP. - No one's better at locking than locking. - KP and I have been working on that for a while, so that's good, that makes me happy. Pulse? Moo? - Rook? Many nicknames. One piece of advice out to the world. It's a tough one. Dead air, which is always good. - Yeah, nothing wrong with that. It allows people to listen and reflect. - Yeah. Nike ad? Or Virtus merch ad? - I'm just gonna play this song. - Little dragon. - This is my favourite song for everyone else.

- He's burning in there. - And he is trying to murder it. - Yeah, I've heard this so many times. - I hear it every day, I think. - I think he's wallpaper on his podiums now, the cover. - He's killed again. - He's killed again. - He's a murderer. - There's nothing wrong with killing songs. - Lock him up. - He actually skipped Hooked on a Feeling last night. - No. - He pushed Skip. - Really? - It was the first one to come on and it was Skip. - I listened to it 12 times already that day.

- Oh my gosh. - I feel like I get scared that I'm killing songs, so I'm like, I really like Skip. - You listened to the song three times, then why are you getting worried you're gonna kill it? - I do. - It's the only time it has over 450 songs now. - Yeah, I've got 700 in Virtus Playlist. - Which he stole from me anyway. - Yeah, I feel like Virtus One is like a mix of Polsies and Mine. Literally just... - Get your replay out. - And I got rid of all the rubbish and put all some good stuff in.

- So what, you basically added the avalanches after that? - And a lot of the Gorillaz. - I agree with that. - And a lot of Fleetwood Mac. - You've got like three Gorillaz songs. Okay, five. - I think they're the five good ones. - Yeah, five. - The algorithm at the moment is playing double ups, I've noticed. - It's uh, yeah, so if you're working for... - We have double ups, we've been on podcast. - If you guys work for Spotify, can you sort out your algorithm, so that if I have a playlist that has 700 songs and I press repeat, press shuffle, sorry, like I want it to play everything, all right?

Stop playing the same fucking 50 songs. - Probably because you've overplayed Hooked on a Feeling, that keeps coming up to the top. - This guy really likes his song for some reason, I don't know why, because it's all right. - Case in point. - It keeps putting it to the top, like it's based on plays and stuff as well. - Yeah, exactly. - It's not like an actual like, fewer shuffles. - Do you know how at the moment Spotify has got their... - This is an absolute fucking track though, right? - Spotify has their, your top most played songs in 2017, have you put that on yet?

- Yes, but here's the funny thing, it's not Hooked on a Feeling, it's not My Step. - What is this? - Because it's like the Virtus Spotify. - Correct, correct, because I use the Virtus Spotify over. - And it sounds wrecking ball. - That's the truth. - I've done that a lot, I've done that a lot, yeah, so, I don't know, it'd be nice if they could combine Virtus and what I've listened to... - I wonder if the Sonos plays. - I don't think the Sonos plays work. - Which is crap, because like yours is exclusively Sonos.

- I'm generally listening to Sonos 90% of the time, unless I have my special playlist on with KP. - Right. - After dark. - This is a good segue, Top Tracks, Top Tracks of 2017. - Do you want to go back to the previous question? - Yeah, let's finish the previous question and we'll go to Top Tracks. - Sorry guys. - You've got to go with the segues, guys. - Yeah, what is this? - Sorry. - Do you have copyright to that? Because I don't know. - No, that's why I've only played 15 seconds at a time.

- I guess for me, going back to the previous question, what's one mantra, one thing I can take away or tell other people is, I've done a lot of professional learning this year. I've been involved in a leadership kind of development course at work. - And it has excelled. - I think just being a lifelong learner in terms of just being open to learning new things and reading and listening to people's opinions, if everyone can take that on board, I think that would be really cool. - Spot on. I like that. That's good. - Jess? - I'd probably say, I've said this to you before, just the quote of how we do one thing is how we do everything.

So do everything well, do everything with kindness, do everything with love, similar to what KP was saying, like self-love, love yourself so then you can love others. Because if you're beating yourself up over things or if you're not being kind to yourself or if you're not patting yourself on the back when you do something well, how are you going to then put that out in the world and do that to other people? - I like that. - So start with yourself and in terms of daily habits, daily routines, weekly ticking the boxes, whatever it is. - Hold yourself accountable to what you say you want to do.

- Yeah. - Do it, wake up in the morning, make your bed, stay hydrated, eat good food, tick all the little boxes. - It's the simple shit. - Yeah. - Sleep well. - Yeah. Yeah. - What? You don't sleep at all. - He has to sleep. - No, sleep's like, I have a good four hours a night. You know that, have you guys seen Elf? Surely. If you haven't seen Elf, I hope you guys are all watching it in the next two days. - Christmas special. - Do you sleep well? I was like, yeah, I've got a whole 40 minutes.

- That is you. - That's been me a little bit. - It feels like me too. - Yeah. I don't know. - But that's what everyone sees of you. What you're like at home is so different. - Yeah, I'm a lot more. I'm a lot flatter at home. - He will get home from work. So I'll see him at work. I'll do VGT. I'll see him at work. He's so up and about. APHC, Lockie, bouncing around at everyone, he gets home and he just crashes. Just won't talk to anyone, won't join, he just sits there. He's on his phone or just wanting to watch out for your mother.

Yeah, it's so different. And our housemates are just like, I didn't expect this from him because when they first moved in, they're like, oh, I see Lockie's so up all the time, and then he comes home and they're like, is he okay? - Is that who you recharge? - Yeah. - You're a solid recharge kind of person. - He's like, must come down. - Yeah, well that's exactly it. I'm very, people talk about extrovert and introvert, introverts are people that get their energy from themselves and from recharging and extroverts are people that get their energy from other people.

I'm an extrovert from 5.30 a.m. to 8 p.m., 9 p.m., and then I just need to just chill the fuck out. - Exactly the same. - But I think people have lost the ability to do that. I think people have got this whole kind of FOMO kind of mentality that they need to be involved with other people to feel good about themselves too. I think it's stemmed from all social media kind of aspects that they need to be involved and something like that. I love nothing more than going to the couch and just reading a book and recharging and that's the way I do it as well, I don't know.

- But I struggle with it because a lot of people know me as that person and a lot of people know me as that person that's-- - You can be both. There's nothing wrong with that. - But that's it for them. - But people don't see that for you. - No, I wouldn't have picked that. - But then if I, like, I remember we were at a friend's birthday a couple of months ago and I was just, I'd had four big days, I'd had a bucks party and I got there late and I was just like, didn't say, I didn't want to talk.

- Just flat. - But I was enjoying being there, right? - Yeah. - I was still enjoying being there and I think if, and I find that sometimes I get home and then like KP's like up and about and ready to chat. (laughing) - I've had that hour of just being home already, just sitting down and I forget that you have it and I'm like, yeah, so Wallace is home, I want to hear about his day and I want to chat. (upbeat music) - It's spot on though. (laughing) - But like when, yeah, I think it's being-- - Tell me about your day.

- Hey! Yeah, it's, yeah, like I get home from a 13, 14, 15 hour day, like I'm just, I'm cooked and KP goes, hey, how was your day today? And I'm like, good. (laughing) Like I don't want to sit-- - Get simmered. - Yeah, get simmered. (laughing) I don't want to sit there and talk about it and I think that, like something that we've both been getting better at lately is that awareness of when the other person wants to-- - Yeah, cues. - Yeah, wants to talk when it doesn't like and it's just that, like that awareness is really important.

I read a, I heard a quote on a podcast the other day that I wrote down that I spoke about on a couple of the podcasts I've just recorded, which will be out about seven, eight weeks after this podcast, so I'm dropping this knowledge way earlier. The quote, and I paraphrase to make it a little bit more about me and about what I was doing, but a conscious relationship with my thoughts allows me to live a proactive life, which means that if I'm consciously understanding that you know what, I need rest time now, or I

need me time, or I'm ready to get up and about, then I'm able to proactively create an environment or talk to the people around me about what's going on. So if I come home and I get KB, I just don't want to talk. I want to be with you. I want to hang out and sit down and chat and everything else-- - There it is. - Gone to the world twice. (laughing) - And then we can do that, or if I get home and I'm up and about and you're not, like I need to be okay with that.

We need to be okay with that. - But that goes back to what KP just said, is looking after yourself. - Yeah. - Like if you need to take that, then everyone around you should be accepting of it. - And being honest, you're not taking it offensively if you don't want to talk. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - I think a lot of-- - We have a rule in our office. Sorry Jess. - Wow. - Whoa. (laughing) - No, wait. - No, talk to us both. What's your rule? I don't really want to know your rule now.

- Our rule back in our office, if you were wearing a hoodie at work, that means no one was allowed to talk to you if you had your hood on. - Wow. - Oh, that's good. - I like that. - You just had like a shit class. - Yeah. - It's really hot though. - You could just have a safe one. - Yeah. - You'd be sweating. - Yeah. - Just like have the hood on and like-- - Or some hood or headphones. We know that like that person probably needs like 10 to 15 minutes

just to be within their own thoughts and they don't want to be interrupted, which I think is pretty cool because then people understand that like they don't want to be chatted to or interrupted and stuff like that. - That makes sense. - That's good. And as a teacher, you need that. You need to-- - Yeah. - You need to get your thoughts straight before you have your next class because you don't want to go to your next class shitty because your last class was shitty. - Yeah. - You need to have that fresh-- - Well, and you don't know what's happening in anyone else's class.

- Yeah. - In the day. - Yeah. - Anything could have happened like so much stuff. - But other people might want to talk about it too and then can go seek it out. But I'm one totally just to be in my own thoughts and work through it that way rather than-- - Kate wants to tell us what her future self needs to say. - I have a quote. - We just had some stuff. - Yeah. We've just totally bypassed Jess. - Jess was talking to Jess. - No, you go first. - Talk to us Jess.

- Talk to us Jess. - Hang on now. - No problem. - No. - I think going on what you were just saying is our ability to be able to communicate that with other people. So if we need, like I've done a fair bit of study, as I keep banging on about it, where-- - I read a book. - I read this book one time, no. So into masculine and feminine energy and even like it's not essentially male versus female because males have feminine energy as well and females have a lot of masculine energy as well.

But a lot of the time men need transition time between what they're doing. So if they like come home from work or if they've just said something on, a tendency for females is to, you know, barrel you up with questions as soon as you walk in the door or if you'll come straight into work, you'll have all the women being like, "Oh, what do you need from me to do today?" Because feminine energy is this whirlwind of, you know, chaos, whereas guys are like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa." - Two ways I describe KP, whirlwind and chaos.

- But it's a really cool feminine thing and like we bounce off each other really well. So if we can, like as women, especially if we can understand that you guys need and if you can communicate that to us of, "Okay, like bae, I need 10 minutes of my..." - Okay, bae. What is it? - Bae. - Oh, he said bae. - 10 minutes. - 10 minutes is plenty. - You can communicate like, "I need 10 minutes when I come home from work to be by myself and to transition from work phase to have a shower, to get into the space."

- Nine minutes, carefully. - We're like, "I can be what you need me to be tonight or whatever." - I can be what you need me to be. - Then we can be like, "Okay, he's walked in the door and this time he's got 10 minutes to transition." - You've got 10 minutes. - I'll set my timing down. - It's even more... - This is a game timer. Be ready. - But it'll work really well because then after 10 minutes, you'll be able to be like, "Okay, this is how my day was." - Yeah, I have to set a question limit when I go to my mom's house.

- Oh, that's cool. - No way. You're just like counting your figures. - Yeah, like you've got 20, you use them wisely. Don't come here to get peppered. - We're not on trial. What am I telling you? - That's what TK said he does that on our red trips. Is that where you got that from? - Yeah. It's just a thing, my mom just peppers me with questions every time I go there. So you got 20 questions. That's all, you use them wisely. - She's very generous. - But she doesn't get the concept, so I kind of have to allow her to get those few...

- And like a follow-up. What a waste of time. - Yeah, exactly. Like how was your day? Mom, that's one. - Oh, you're useless. - Good. Next. - So for all you guys driving to your auntie's house or your parents' house, try it. Tell aunt Gladys she's got seven questions. She's not happy with the way you're living your life, then, you know, whatever. I was going to say something rude then, but I'm sorry I couldn't say it. - But they say... - It's created. - This is explicit. - This is explicit. I assume... - It's your after nine o'clock style podcast.

- Yeah. - It's after nine o'clock. - Yeah, if you're driving with the kids in the car, rewind and then put headphones on. - But it's funny because Alison Armstrong, so Alison Armstrong has a book called Understanding Women. It's great. - Read a book. - She's got a lot of other ones on men and women. - It's the best. - It's the best. - Kam and Stocki were raving about it the other day. - It's really good. Yeah. And in terms of understanding yourself and how you respond to things, it's amazing. But women, she calls it emptying the bucket.

So women to be able to transition from their hectic day to a normal functioning member of society or normal functioning partner or sister or daughter or whatever, tend to need to empty the bucket and just blergh, like blurt it all out and empty it into the trash can. And if a guy can stand there and hold the bucket and listen to it, Alison Armstrong says that if guys generally can stand about 10 minutes of it, 15 if you're dating. And other than that, it just goes straight over there. - Because it's fresh, you get it? Because you work hard when it's fresh, right?

- But otherwise, like women can stand it. Like we can talk to each other for hours and hours about the same thing and it kind of goes round and round in circles. And then after a while, we'll be like, oh, okay, we've been talking about this for an hour. - And then you go back to it. Whereas guys can't do it. - True. Good. I like that. - So it's interesting. - Awesome. Kate? 2017? What's it taught you? - Yeah. So I found a quote. - Good. - That I really liked. - Research. - It's fascinating.

- Yeah. - And it was, "You are..." Well, I'm going to change it. - This is a paraphrase quote. Kate original. - So talking... "You are going to be happy," said life. "But first, I will make you strong." And I thought that was nice. - Ooh. - Emotionally and musically. - I love that. - That's fun. - That's super cool. - Good. - You taught me something this year. - Yeah. What was that? No. - No. Well, you taught me how important it is to be kind to yourself first, and I think that's something I've

seen you do really, really well over the last couple of months, and to just focus on you, and what you want, and what you need, and what helps fill your cup. And seeing that, I don't know if you'd see this or not, but you're seeing that change and improve, and seeing you adapt over the last three months to that, it's been awesome. And yeah, your ability to read and learn and listen and stuff, it's been rad. So bravo. - Thanks. - Good from you. - Thank you so much. - You're welcome, mate. You're welcome. - I'm ready.

- It's been a rad journey, right? Life's a rad journey. - Yes. - Whoa. - Yeah. - It is. - Thank you. - Yeah. I don't know. Has everyone answered that question? - No, I think Tommy's answered. - Tommy's out. - Mom would be, I don't know how to phrase it, but empathy would be the thing taken away. If you can somehow figure out how to try and, so you can have sympathy for someone, which is essentially useless. - I feel sorry for you. - Yeah. What's the point? - If you can actually try and figure out how someone's feeling and try and feel that in your own way, you will actually understand like, "Oh, that makes so much sense.

I can change my behavior to actually help that person." If everyone was empathetic to other people, the world would be such a better place. - I think I said that on the app I'm comfortable. - Yes. - But I don't know, empathy, if you can just try and get out of your own needs and whatever you're doing with and figure out how to be empathetic to others, it would just be so much easier to change your behavior and actually make others around you feel better and actually make a change. - Going back to kindness, last night we were out and there was this little boy and he's just going around saying, "Do you want to play golf with me?

Do you want to play golf?" And just asking people. And he was so sweet and just wanted someone to play with him. So the person he was asking, I was like, "Can you please go play golf with him?" He couldn't be mean to that little person and it just made me think, we're so mean to ourselves, but you'd be never mean, shut up Wallace, you'd be never mean to a little you. So why-- - An innocent guy. - Yeah. - Yeah. - One of our, and I talk about him every day on the podcast, every

time I do a podcast because he has impacted my life in so many different ways, but Greg, why don't Gregs-- - I thought you were talking about Jed then. - No, also. - Also Jed. - Also Jed, shout out. Jed Johnson, what a man. Jed-- - Is he going to be on the podcast? - As soon as he's stringing more than four words together, I'm doing a podcast with him. (laughing) - He's at the moment-- - He's like, "Hey." - He's like, "Gonkey." He's like, "Bye-bye." Jed Ziggy Johnson on Instagram, if anyone wants to follow. - For some wisdom.

- For some much wisdom. - Boy drops some positive wisdom. - One of the things Greg's taught me, or one of the sentences he uses to genuinely change the way you're thinking about it is, what would the eight year old version of yourself want? And for me, that's so heavy because he uses it in so many different ways. If it's a movement based thing, he's like, "Well, treat your nervous system like the eight year old version of yourself. Be kind to it. Don't just smash it day in, day out." When you're trying to make a decision that will change the trajectory of the rest of your life, like, well, what do you want?

And then what would the eight year old version of yourself want? It's such a really, really simple thing, but if we can treat ourselves like we're just an eight year old version of ourselves, we will be so much more kinder and more empathetic and more able to understand what we're going on and what we actually want. - This is super cool. - There's a video on that, where people just line up adults, mostly women, if you've seen it, it's mostly about body image, and it gets women together saying, "Okay, what would you change about your body?"

And every single woman says, "My thighs are too big," or, "My stomach's fat," or, "My love handles," or, "I've got a big forehead," or, "I've got all of these things that are wrong with me." And then it asks the exact same question to kids, and kids are like, "I wish I had wings so I could fly," or, "I wish I was a unicorn," or, "I wish I could do these crazy things." - This is the complete opposite answer. - Yeah. - It's what do I want rather than what do I want to change? - Yeah, so self-hate is a pattern of behavior that we learn.

It's not inbuilt in us. - But then I've seen one similar, where it's little kids though, but little kids have started saying the things that they hear their mom say, which is really sad that a five-year-old or eight-year-old kid is going, "I want boobs already," or, "I want this," or, which is really sad because, yeah, it's a learned behavior and they've learned what their parents have done. - Yeah. - It's sad. - So we can be that change in front of kids. - Yeah. - To just be like, "You know what? I love my body. I love myself."

- There's a lot of stuff that Laura's working on at What's Wrong. - Yeah. - Trying to change cultural norms, like, why is that the way we think? Why is that what is culturally acceptable, like, so challenging anything like that. All right, let's unpack that from a logical point of view. Why is that the way that we're teaching our kids to think about? - There's a lot of pressure. - Yeah, yeah. - To grow up a lot quicker than people probably should, so kind of lose their innocence as a child. But when you challenge that and just, like, legitimately think about things without society's pressures, like, that is so much more important than kids growing up.

- Absolutely. - Me. What's the question? Just kidding. - Oh, whoa. - That was a stab at KP. - Sorry, as you asked the questions, I'm already processing. - No, I agree. The first time you asked the question, it was very, very lukewarm. - Yeah. - You didn't even know you were asking. - I need to process and then... - All right. That's fair. What have I learned from 2017? I feel as though I was talking to a couple of guys the other day about, like, intellectual development and emotional development and how it kind of,

like, starts when you're, like, 21, 22, and then progresses through your 20s, because I think when we're 18, we don't really think about how the world works and how people think about how our actions affect other people. But when we get to, like, for me, 23, 24, 25, and you actually start thinking about it properly, everything kind of changes, and my whole, like, I feel as though I'm a completely different person than who I was 12 months ago, which, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I think it's definitely a good thing, because all of my growth has improved me as a person and how I interact with people and how I deal with people.

And yes, I've fucked up a lot of times along the way, but that's kind of the cool thing about it. KP's nodding, yes, good, thank you. But what are the main lessons I've learned? I think, from a personal point of view, I've learned how important, like, purpose and passion is, because, and then gratitude for that, like, so I can genuinely say that if, one of the questions I asked my staff a couple of weeks ago was, if money wasn't an option, wasn't an issue, and failing wasn't an option, then what would you do with your lives?

I would answer it with exactly what I'm doing right now. And I am in a fortunate position, and I'm not using the term lucky because I've worked to get into this position, but I'm in a fortunate position where I'm able to wake up in the morning, go to bed at night, and do exactly what I want to do in between. I put in, like, a lot of work to be able to do that, but I'm incredibly lucky to be able to do that. So for me, it's gratitude in the fact that I'm able to do that, and the fact that I'm in a position to be able to help other people understand that, and help other people achieve that.

What advice would you give people who aren't at that point, if they want to get to it? If you don't know what you want to do, which is what a lot of people are at, like, a lot of people either know, but aren't in a position, or they just genuinely just don't know. And that's okay, but I think it's seeking out people that do know, and if it's in an industry that you're kind of excited about, like, if it's the gym industry, come talk to people like me, like Cam, like Greg, like people that are in the industry who are doing what they love to do every day, come and talk to them, and listen to them.

I think one of my favourite quotes is, "My hindsight is someone else's foresight," so if I can use my experiences to help someone else on their journey, then that's going to bring them closer. So for the people that don't know, start trying shit that you don't like, or that you think you might like, do it, and then see how you go. Like, I find it crazy that some people get to the end of a three-year degree and haven't spent a day doing the job that they're studying, like, you can spend three years in a degree,

like exercise science exam, when you go, "I want to be a coach," and they've never actually spent an hour being, like a day being a coach, so you miss what the day-to-day operations are and what it actually involves, right? People look at, maybe not so much now, people look at PT as kind of a sexy career, but they're long hours, pay isn't super, you've got to deal with a lot of different people and it's emotionally draining, so if you're not the right person, it's not going to be the right thing for you. So I think if you don't know what you want to do, just go try shit.

Just go try a heap of stuff, and if you don't like it, awesome, you've just found another way that didn't work, and then you can keep working on that. You're one step closer to finding something that you can do. Exactly, and don't rush it, as hard as it is, don't rush it, but just focus on what makes you happy and follow that, and yes, that's an obnoxious, hippie, pompous answer, but it's there for a reason. Do you think that there's a job out there for everybody? Yes. Do you actually think that everybody in this world can find a job that they genuinely love?

Yes. I disagree. Fuck off, mate. Ready? You're the worst. Can I say why you shouldn't disagree? Okay. Because you're good at like 15 different things, right? No, but shut up. Continue, and then let me speak. I'll work out. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. You're good at like 15 different things. You could, like, your career paths could be in like customer relations, in photography, in social media. Nikes, folks. Hopefully not a loss in the 30th anniversary, which I'm still salty about, but next year. You could be in like business consultancy, you could be in coffee roasting, you could be in customer service, you could be in hospitality, you could be in graphic design, you could be in gin.

You could do so many things because they're the things that you've identified as things that you love doing, right? Yeah. Tell me why that's bullshit. I think instead of trying to find the job or like the role, I would be trying to find what about that role fulfills you. For me, my fulfillment comes from actually helping other people be better at their jobs. So instead of trying to find, like, I need to be a personal trainer, identify what about personal training is what engages you. So like, it could be like, you could find, so for you...

I don't think you're disagreeing. I think you're just adding another layer. No, but I'm saying it's not like, do you know what I mean? There's a job for everyone, yeah. It could be three different jobs, it could be five different jobs, but there's something about that role or that position that is successful for you, has a purpose, so for me, it is making other people better at their jobs and being like a mentor or a manager or all those kind of roles. So, and as long as it's quality focused business like coffee or... But that's your why, right?

That's my why. Quality focused business is why you come back to it. It's quality and actually making other people better at their jobs and encouraging and kind of growing other people. So if I'm doing that, I'm fulfilled. So I could leave coffee tomorrow. I like coffee and it's fine, but I can walk away tomorrow with no qualms at all. Yeah, but you go straight to gin. Right? Because everyone wants that, but I could step into anything else that's quality focused and has that kind of people-based business. It's not about the product as much as it is about the people kind of thing.

And I think you're probably the same. Like you could step into a different kind of role about like wellbeing and like making people better. Yeah. Like, and I think you would succeed because that's what drives you is making other people better. So my role hasn't changed, sorry, my role has changed significantly in the last 12 months especially, but the last 24 months, but my why hasn't and the reason I do everything I do hasn't changed. No. So I think we agree, but I just don't think like, don't think that like, don't get stuck into the job.

Like getting stuck into like, what about that job facilitates like. Yeah. Like whether KP is a teacher or she's running camps or whatever, she's still gonna be helping kids learn. That's a really good relationship. So metaphor for relationships. So if you get stuck, like trying to chase that, like I need to be a lawyer, like what for? Like what about being a lawyer is the thing that you need? Is it helping people that can't help themselves? If that's what it is, like maybe it's being a lawyer, maybe it's something else. Like, but like when we get stuck into like, I need to be a lawyer because that's the job.

Like as opposed to like, what about that is appealing to me? I don't know what you mean, like think about it from that. A follow up question we asked, like if people didn't know what they wanted to do, you've given some advice in terms of what you said, go try things. What if you're that person who's gone out and tried something and found themselves probably stuck in a bit of a job that they probably don't like, but they probably need to stay in it to move forward in terms of. Yeah. That's a really cool question because I've had a bunch of people do that this year and I've had a lot of people close to me.

Try and change, like flip kind of thing. A lot of people feel as though they can't. Yeah, exactly. And again, you've got to take everything with a grain of salt because some people might have, they might live at home and they might have no extra response, like responsibilities, right? They've got to feed themselves. They've got to, they've got to pay themselves to drive, like drive and pay petrol, all that kind of stuff. But they live at home. They live at home, yeah. And then some people might be a single mum with three kids, right, who feels stuck, which is a completely different situation.

But I think life is incredibly short and incredibly, like it's such a fleeting thing. Like in the grand scheme of things where life is like that, like, and then we're done. So I think where if you can just, the single mum of three might have to plan for a lot longer to say how she's actually going to execute and make her transition from job she doesn't like to job she loves. Like it might be staying up an hour a night extra working on her online business that she wants to work on, maybe. But my, I'll

go back to that quote that Tommy hates, but if like a violently execute, an imperfect plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed later. Like I've seen a number of our clients at Virtus come to me and talk to me and not be necessarily be happy as to where they're at. And I basically just gave them the permission to like get rid of that job or get rid of that unicourse or whatever. Not because I feel as though I'm in a position to do so, but I'm there just to give them a little bit of advice and see where they take it.

Were any of them a single mum or a single dad? No. Yeah. So they're all younger, don't have a house. Spot on. So it's easy for them. But I've had people with mortgages do it, people like you find a way to make it work. Like kind of like when I was talking about before about booking South America, if I got so much and I hadn't gotten Jess and Coop and Mitch and everyone else doing their job, then I'd be cooked, right? But I'm not going to let that happen. I think everyone can make things happen when they want to.

You think about what's out there too, like there's probably people that earn a lot less money and able to live a fulfilled life and stuff like that too. So I think looking, we talked about empathy before, like looking at people's lives through their lens, like there's people earning much less and being able to achieve what they want to achieve still. So I think having that money is such a big driving factor in today's society. You think you need money to do these certain things. But you got to think about sometimes there's people earning a lot less still achieving what they want to achieve as well.

So taking the risk and getting out there. For me, not being a single parent, not doing all those things is very easy to say, but you can let it beat you or you can keep trying to work at it. They're your options. I mean, be beat down and hate the world, or you can try and make a change that can suck, but if you think it's worth it in the long run, that's what you've got to do. They're your options. I think mine sets everything. And like Jess said, the way you do one thing is the way you do everything.

And I think if you tell yourself you can't do something, as cliche as it is, if you tell yourself you can't do something, you probably can't. And when it comes to money, one of my favorite pieces of literature or pieces of research is Maslow's hierarchy of needs, which is you've got your basic needs, which everyone has. You need food, you need water, you need warmth, you need rest, and you need safety, you need security. And then once you've met those needs, awesome, we can look at our psychological needs. So you need the feeling of accomplishment, and the feeling of belonging, and the feeling of having those relationships and friends, and being in a community.

And then you've got your self-fulfillment needs, where you're actually working yourself towards what scares and excites you, the thing that fulfills you. And money doesn't change happiness on top of those things. If you have all those things, you're going to be happy. And the research shows that you're going to be a happy person. So if you're ticking all those boxes, and talking to yourself the way you should be talking to yourself, you're going to be moving in the right direction. So the money thing's fine, but if the money covers all of those things I've just spoken about, you're kind of in a good spot.

But the problem is people worry about not having that second car, or not being able to afford that extra $500 on Christmas presents, or things like that. The fulfillment is money as opposed to actual fulfillment. The thing about money is it's never going to make you happy because it doesn't end. No. You get that car, you want a bigger car, you get that house and a bigger house. I was actually talking to your dad last night, Lachie. What a man. Shout out to Rob Dog. One of the greatest humans in the world. When he was younger.

I hope he listens to this. He said he doesn't need to download the app on his phone. Yeah, I'll go teach him how to download, yeah. He's like, yeah, I don't even have Facebook. Anyways, I was talking to him and he was saying, when you're younger, he wanted you to diet three or four days a week, and on the fifth day make fine furniture. He would be amazing at that. Yeah, he would be. And I said to him, why don't you do that? And he's like, because podiatry earns more money. And I was like, yeah, and he said, well, I want to live this lifestyle that I have.

So I have to do the podiatry five days a week, and he worked hard, but that also means he's put the fine furniture on the back that he never done. Yeah. But he's genuinely one of the hardest working people I know, and I wrote him and Mum a Christmas card yesterday, and Mum cried a little bit, but it was basically around the proviso that they've been spending the last 25 years since I was born worrying about us, and now they've got to start worrying about them and start focusing on them, which as their son, I want to help them find those things that scare and excite them.

And I think I'm lucky enough to be in a position where I'm able to, Mum wanted a job so that she could travel the world a little bit more and wanted time where she actually enjoyed being where she was. So she could save some money for that, and that's something that I haven't actually had a good chat to my dad about, but I'm really looking forward to when we do sit down and have that conversation, which we're probably going to be on Christmas Day, because I think it's a really important conversation to have, and it's cool to know that, like, I never know that he wanted to do that, which is awesome.

And I think when you can find that thing that lights that fire in you and you can follow it, like one of my uni lecturers used to say that, like, I don't care what you guys end up doing if you end up being a shit shoveler or if you end up being a cleaner, if you do something well and you do it with passion and you do it with love, then you're going to get paid good money to do it. And I'm sure there's cleaners that some people would say, yeah, I'm going to hire them every day because they're amazing at what they do.

And I think that, yeah, coming back to the way you do one thing, the way you do everything, like if you start to focus on the way you make your bed, the way you clean your teeth, the way you wash yourself when you're in the shower, the way you cook dinner, the way you clean up after dinner, you start to, KPs looking at me with, you start, like those things are going to accumulate. And I think like, I'm really, really good at doing those things well at work and in my office and with a lot of areas, but I'm not good at doing things that well in a lot of areas.

So I, if I can start to take the, I don't like the term motivation, but the discipline from the things that I know are important, like making sure my gym is clean and make sure I'm looking out for my clients to shit that I don't feel as though is important like, like mowing the lawns or, you know, or doing stuff like that. Loggy's dad came around yesterday and made our lawns again, Loggy still hasn't done it in broadcast. He's a kid. He's a kid. But like, if I can start taking that mindset to those areas of my life, then things are going to be better.

Right. And yeah, and I think that's, that's what it's about. Let's let's go with, I want to go to a favourite track. Favourite movie. It's too high to quantify. Shut up. It's only a year, mate. You can do it in a year. 365 days. Ever is tough. Years you can do it. Favourite track, favourite movie of 2015. 2015? It's 2017. Going back in time. I was looking at the word, the number five on the wall. Yeah, 2017. Hit me. Jess, what have you got? Attention deficit disorder. I retracted it. What are you trying to say Kate?

Why do you hate me? What have we got? Tracks. Yeah. Favourite track. Ever. Favourite track? No, no, no. Not ever. At the moment. War on Drugs. Alright. Can I pick your song? No, it wasn't this year. Does everyone have their phones on them? Yeah. Yeah. Pick, grab your favourite song. We're going to play 20 seconds of it. That'd be cool. I'm going to play mine. seconds of it it'd be cool I'm gonna play mine just like this way everyone's finding their favorite song I yeah this is from her son I didn't love it first time you told me.

I know and you were like really? Yeah? Yeah. I think I started playing it ironically to annoy you. Yeah. And now I really like it. You've got ya. You've got ya. I can't do this. Yeah you can. No I really can't. I like too many songs. Well I thought even the 2017 one. Just pick one. How are we even looking out? Yeah it doesn't have to come out this year but what's the song that has defined your 2017? Because How To Make Gravy by Paul Kelly I've listened to it about a hundred times in the last months.

And it was national How To Make Gravy day the other day. It was 21st of December. It's 21st of December. So this is Tommy's Up All Night by the War on Drugs. Is this the album in general? Yeah it's a great album. This is my number one song video. Have you voted? Just cash out Tana. She can shut up. Oh what? You are so close minded. Why do you hate fun so much? She's so talented. War on Drugs, Doing A Bit. That is an amazing song. Amazing album. What does music give you? What does it add to your life?

How do you answer that question? I can answer that question. I used to be in the band. I used to go. But now I'm just an appreciator of music. Yeah. It's like kind of refreshing not to be a musician anymore but like have that knowledge and that appreciation for it. So like I don't know. I can't. I have to listen to music. Yeah. All the time. I literally have not turned the radio in my car. It's a year old and it's never been on the radio. Like it's always on Songs Of Us. CarPlay. How good is CarPlay?

CarPlay is the best. If you don't have a new car get one. So don't worry about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. Just get a new car. You will be happy. You will be happy to get a new car if you didn't get one today for Christmas. Don't worry Boxing Day sales I guess. But Lockie and I both have new cars. We do. And CarPlay and Bluetooth and things like that. Like if you don't have it it's... Podcast? In the car. There's so many podcasts this year. Literally like are we playing podcast or Spotify? Correct. I used to not have a car that was able to pay my phone at all.

It couldn't even have an actual recording. And now that I've got it, I've just been like ahhh. I can listen to Dixie Chicks whenever I want. Oh my god I can listen to Dixie Chicks whenever I want is the worst sentence of 2017. It's a great sentence. I have a friend that snapchatted me the other day of him singing Dixie Chicks and I was in the staff room at work and everyone was like what is happening. Dixie Chicks are great. You know when you get those moments where you kind of reflect. Dixie cups are good. I don't know about this situation.

When you kind of reflect on the decisions you made over the last nine years and you kind of look at them and go was it the right decision? You know it was. Lockie's like I secretly love Dixie Chicks also. Couldn't tell you one of their songs. Neither. There you go. Kate Kelly. Paul Kelly. This is the season for Paul Kelly. Gang of Youths. Magnolia. Amazing track. That was last year wasn't it? Gang of Youths actually. Gang of Youths Covering Blood. Like A Version. You're like a version. Tell you why. So good. It was no Game Changer.

Like relax. That's an ad. That's definitely an ad. Kate what do you got for us? I'm on YouTube. I got my answer. So I just looked at my Spotify account and in 2017 I listened for 7,096 minutes to 843 different songs. What have you been doing? 421 different artists. What do you do with your life? I think some of my top songs were Top 100 Songs. There we go. It's coming up now. I had fans like Polaris, the Smith Street Band. Luca Brasi. In Hearts Wake. A lot of Australian alternative heavier kind of scene. I really digged the new Smith Street Band album.

I like that. I don't get Smith Street Band. I hate Smith Street Bands. Stop, improve and sing properly. I did not believe this top thing because my second top song was Top 100 Songs and I've never played Top 100 Songs. I like the music in Smith Street Band. The singing I can't get behind. But it's not a singer. Exactly. Be a singer mate. It's not my job. Sorry. It's just me. I'm savage. I'm sorry but I just cannot get behind that boat in my vocals. I can't do it. I think you've got to listen to the great lyrics.

I feel as though that's just noise and then half way through he goes woo! You've got to listen to his lyrics. I think he's probably a great lyricist but just the delivery of it. I agree he's not a good singer but I get more out of his telling you stories and stuff like that. The music's not about the singing or the noise guys. This is probably very superficial but I'm about the music and the sounds not the content. I find that weird sometimes. I'm about the music and you don't like Triple J. That's weird. I'm about the actual noises and the sounds made and then I go back and I'm like holy shit that song's about that?

That's weird. I don't even know that but I'm like the delivery and the sound. That's me and that's how I go with music. Some people are so driven on lyrics and the message behind it so I don't think about that until I listen to it 20 or 30 times. I'm like wow that's about that? Crazy. I completely misinterpreted that song. Woah that's probably not a song I should endorse. Or sing to children. Yeah but I don't know that's me. I think some people are very different. I guess for the Smith Street Band obviously you're probably

not listening for their music but I guess I take a lot of positive influence from their lyrics in this story but for other bands I'm not doing the same thing I'm listening for. Yeah sometimes you just hear and you're like I'm gonna like this song a lot. Take care at once. For instance and it's probably like two years ago now but The Weeknd like that I can't feel my face is about drugs and being off your face on drugs. Not about your significant other and like love it's actually about being like off your nut on drugs.

But people are like cool journey. Probably not about dancing to wash yourself. Just what I'm saying. I'm the worst at that. I'm like oh that's about that. Because I'm not catchy. I'm about like that's really creative the way you've used music and notes and sounds and things. That's how I respond to music I guess. You know probably what we should have been listening to for the last half an hour. I hate this song so much. This just makes me miss one night rescue. That was such an epic show. My song? Yeah your song. Your track of 2017.

2017? Very old. Ooh a bit of drowning. I like it. I'm cool. Well I saw a bit of No Dope this year. How was that? That was one of the better concerts I've actually been to. Did anyone see Paul Kelly last week? I wish I did. Bloody Jed the little duck. I had to go to Jed's birthday party. I was like did Jed go? He took Jed along and not you. I'm taking Jed next year for his birthday. Do you even study it as an English text? Paul Kelly yeah. Someone was saying that and apparently he comes to some of the schools and sings.

He always puts on a free concert so they can go and see a live performance easily. See I would have gone more for Meg Mac and Gang of Youths than I would have Paul Kelly. Wow. Really? You're like 12 so. Yeah just above. Slave labour. Yeah good for me. But his catalogue is just enormous. The stuff that hasn't even been published yet. Very talented. And it's very Australian. Yeah iconically Australian. Yeah that's cool. Did you have one with Aussie? My bands and songs come up but according to Spotify it was Polaris Regress which is going to be a bit brutal to the ears for a lot of people but we'll play the first couple of sessions.

We are the kids in this shitty machine. I don't know what to expect about that. Yeah I don't know what to expect about this. I have my marina suit and I'm playing hard for the band. We are the kids in this shitty machine. We are the kids in this shitty machine. I don't know what to expect about this. I have my marina suit and I'm playing hard for the band. So they're a band from Sydney. Why? I can answer this question because as I was a kid growing up there was a scene on the Monington

Peninsula that kind of stemmed this direction of music for me so I was very lucky as a kid going through high school there was a community of bands that used to play at the Sami Mekol that was similar along those lineages of bands. And you cut your teeth on the soft pop/punk kind of style and once you grow out of that as you get older you progress to the heavier kind of and it branches out from there. So I was very lucky listening to bands like Kiss Chasey, Left Right Out and all these kind of bands which kind of stemmed my musical journey which that's why it's gone that way as well.

I love posse so much more. I just needed a wife. That was me. I used to play in a band, a hardcore band with friends in high school and that was the same thing like we grew up and like people think from the outside that the hardcore and like emo culture, that used to frustrate me so much. We're happy people. That was one of the most positive situations I've ever been in. We used to go to shows at the Seaford Hall and the Sami Mekol. The older dudes looked rough, had totally suffered. They were genuinely some of the nicer guys and couldn't have been nicer.

And like there's something about that kind of like energy and power in that kind of music that was really like liberating. Even still like you can probably talk to Jack Jeffries as well. He still plays an album. Spectrifiers. Check me out on Spotify. But also like there's something about it and like people don't understand like oh it just sounds like screaming and noise. It's like you don't understand like you haven't been there, you haven't understood and like tried to give it a chance but there's something really like I don't know. You just get a release from that kind of like energy.

It's emotive I think for a lot of people. And it is so much fun to play in those kind of bands because it is just like all that energy, music, like power. And it generally wasn't that kind of growing up. There wasn't that feeling like it wasn't a sense of looking down on someone because they're doing something cool. Everyone was really accepting and you could do what you wanted and create what you wanted and those kind of things too. It was really cool. Very very good culture like surprisingly good like as a young person growing up in that.

I was like I love that. And you say these days too a lot of that kind of scenes promoting like Sea Shepherd, Kordi, very conscious social conscious kind of group. A lot of them transitioning into vegan and promoting against Kordi to animals and stuff like this too which is really cool. I was straight aged growing up. I didn't drink until I was 19 because of that kind of culture. It was like you don't have to drink and do drugs and be an idiot. You can just be yourself. It's very interesting and people don't give it

enough chance because from the appearance on the outside it's like you've got stretches in your ears and you've got tattoos and you wear black so you must be a bad influence on people. Cool. I like that. I've got two more questions for you guys before we wrap it up for 2015. Who's your person for 2017? Who's your individual whether it's a celebrity or whether it's someone around you? Who's the person that's made the most difference in your life or other people's lives in 2017? Start with Tommy because we're always... My first was probably Aziz and Zari which is weird but like...

Did you watch Master and Run? I love Master and Run. It's like one of my favourite things to watch. That's why I want to make pasta. When he said that I was like, "Oh, I like Master and Run." What a link. So that's just his creativity, the way he thinks about the world and he's decided to be more than a comedian, more than just a personality. So I read his book Modern Romance and it was great. It's probably since high school one of the books I've actually read properly. And I don't know why. I just couldn't put it down.

I just wanted to read it more. There's something about him and his creativity that I respond well to and he's not sticking to the norms of be a comedian, be funny and then go away. You just have to be a funny person all the time. He's being himself. He's from a minority. He's doing it in different ways. He's a superstar and he's hilarious. Very, very funny guy and I don't know, he's very comfortable with who he is and that's something I really, really respect in life as well. He's very comfortable with who you are and just like, "Cool, I'm doing this my way and if you want to get a mod, cool.

If you don't, that's totally cool as well." But just go away. There's a video on YouTube, 73 questions with, I think it's a Vogue thing, but it's interviewing him and it's amazing. He's just, I don't know. I like the way he goes about what he does. His approach to things is very much how I would like to approach things. Not worried about who came before you who decided that that was the way to do it. "Nah, I can do it my way." And Master of None, he directed, he wrote, he did so many things and it's just a great Netflix series if you've got time and can be bothered.

It's just awesome. KP, talk to us. Who's your personal friend? She's trying to slide out of the river. She's trying to get away. Well, sorry, what was it? Who invited her? It was a token invite. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I'm hoping she proves me wrong with an awesome answer here. 2017, who's your human? This is really corny and everyone's going to be like, oh, okay, but it was lucky. Boo. No, I knew you were going to do that. That's why I was trying to get out the door and KP was in my way. Super lame.

He actually told me I'm only allowed to come on the podcast if I say hey. Not even lying, he's the one who said I have to say this. You're meant to be better than that. Be truthful. The podcast goal was just for that and everyone can go. It took us two hours to get to that point, but everyone, we'll see you later. Be truthful, mate. That's so good. Well, seeing the way everyone avernus just adores him, seeing that he does what he wants every day, even though it sometimes does my head in the door. Just seeing himself, just seeing him just love life and enjoy it and surround himself by all the people.

He said to me the other day, pretty much everyone he's got on the podcast, he still talks to some of them he'd never met before and now he's like, they're awesome people, I love it. They're having conversations, they're messaging him. Just seeing the influence you have on people is just amazing and I want to be able to have that same influence on my students and it's cool. It's really cool. And I think everyone can. You've just got to talk to people and get to know people. Kate, talk to me. Get out of the door. What was the question?

Yes, it's not just me. I'm kidding, personally I knew that. I've got three. I've got the person in the community. I'm just one of my friends, absolutely shown this year. Does your friend have a name? Yeah, keep it on the dealo. She's amazing, shout out to you. Second would be Virtus as a community as a whole. Game changer, life changer. We have a call in. We actually have our first caller of the podcast. I just missed a call but I'll call him back. You just missed a call. Not in a narcissistic way myself. Yes, I was sitting here hoping you'd say that so bravo.

Great man. Hello. How are you mate? You're not Jess. I'm not Jess, I'm not but we're doing a podcast, you're our first caller on the podcast so welcome to the Virtus podcast. So can you please introduce yourself to the people? To the people, hello, my name is Matthew Church. Long time listener, first time caller. What's going on in your world today? How many people are listening to you? Just you apparently. We've got a six person deep podcast now we're at seven so good for you. What's going on in your world? It was one person plus me like two days ago and you got to seven, you're a podcast whore.

You're a podcast whore? I agree. That's so true, that's so true. Quick one, it's just available and I completely interrupted something. By the way Jess, so you know, thank goodness I opened with hello because my opening line would not have been so personal appropriate. We've put the expletive on this podcast, it would have been alright. What a man, shit. You were about to be my person for 2017 so I'm so glad you called. What a segway. Jess who's your person for 2017? Your ears must have been burning, my person was Matt. Why? You can stay and listen to it Matt.

You can't even talk to the elevator so talk quickly but do cover it all. But give me all the significance. Don't listen. So Matt, first time listener, long term caller would be my person for 2017? No no no, first time, first time, long time listener, first time caller. Alright mate, you're a fucking addition to this. I'm going to speak very closely, I don't want to miss a single thing now. For anyone wondering, Matt Church is on the podcast in about 7 weeks, he's episode 30, late 30s so get around him. Carry on Jess. Importantly, this is not a good first impression but I'm going to go in that pocket.

He this year made a massive impact on my life so he used to be my manager at my old job before I transitioned to Virtus. Quit, traitor. Traitor. Traitor, oh my god. Judas. And he helped me through the toughest parts I've had this year in terms of self-belief, self-love, self-worth which was massive for me in terms of just being okay with fucking it up and being okay with not being okay sometimes and being okay with really struggling. And just still loving myself through that and being like you know what, I'm human, I don't always have to have it all together, I don't always have to have it perfectly.

If I'm doing something and letting something else fall to the side for a little bit, it's still okay. I'm doing the best I can with what I've got at the moment and to be able to accept that and still be okay with myself through it has been awesome. So you're my person. Yay. Yay. So that's been massive, yeah, massive learning. That's the best call in ever. Great timing, mate. Yeah, I've done pretty good this life. My sixth sense but someone was about to say no, I think it's about to be kicked off. I want to hear it.

I do feel like you're like 30 seconds early so you can't take it off. I know, we can't take it off. I was done. Anyway, I'm going to call you back and get back to the podcast. Pleasure being a part of the call. Let's see you enjoy your next call. See you, mate. Ah, boy. I'm so happy that happened. That's amazing. That didn't even get it. No, no, no. I did mine three. You said you but elaborate. I don't want to elaborate. A little bit. One sentence. You deserve a pat on the back and you deserve to elaborate.

Because that's a really good answer yourself. Thank you, Tom. Very cool. I think in life it's easy to get into routines and get stuck in your own ways and get stuck in your head and become accepting of things and stop challenging yourself and challenging what you believe. And I think it's very easy, especially when you're busy, you can lose yourself. You can. And I just feel this year I already found myself. Good from you. J-Pulse? Similar to what KP said, I owe a lot to my partner Jess this year, but I've got someone else as well in mind.

One of my good friends that I went through primary school with, Dale Stevenson. I've probably only seen him three or four times this year. He's an amazing human. He'd be really good to get on the podcast if we could get him on. Sort it out, mate. Thanks. He has obviously was shot putter for Australia at an Olympic Games, done a teaching degree and come back. That's why the name sounds familiar. But had an opportunity to travel with him this year to Hong Kong and I think I've seen him three times this year and I'm catching up with him again on the third day of the Boxing Day test, which is going to be good.

But each time I met with him, I've left enlightened and feeling positive about myself because at times I really get struggle with self-worth and self-motivation. And he's able to pull me out of a couple of holes where and even if it was conversations and he's just really good with his words, he's a very highly intelligent man. But he can break it down to for me anyway to make me feel a lot better or a lot more comfortable within myself. He just has a natural ability to make me feel I feel like a better person or more enlightened person every time I meet with him.

And hopefully, I know it's going to continue, but he's pulled me out of a few holes this year that are being really, really important. So, yeah, shout out to Dale if he's listening, but I'll point him in the right direction when I see him. You might have to be listening. You might have to send him the link and just tell him that one hour thirty-seven minutes in. Yeah, and have a listen. But no, shout out to him because he's been a major help for me and he probably doesn't understand how much of a help he was.

Cool. Anyone else? I think it's you. Yeah, I'm up. I promise this answer isn't a cop-out, but... Shut up, Tom. I said nothing. I said it with my face. My people here are people like Kate and people like Jess and people like Pulsi and KP and Tommy and people like Bridge and Han and Mitch and all the people who I surround myself with daily who I see struggle with things. And we all struggle with things, so that's okay. And I see them pick themselves up, dust themselves off when they fall over and move towards the next thing.

And we're not always going to be perfect. We're not always going to hit the goals we want when we want. We're not always going to achieve the things we want to achieve. But if you're able to understand that, have that perspective to look after yourself in that moment and then have the perspective to look at the bigger picture as well. You're able to take those little steps that you need to to get where you want to get to. So, you guys all help me be a better human because you guys are better humans. So, yeah, it's a simple one and possibly a cop-out, but yeah.

I think, too, I probably one group of people that I probably forgot to mention too are the Johnsons. I think they take incredible inspiration in what they do and what they can achieve. And I think they're an amazing, amazing family. Who are the Johnsons for people that aren't in the Burtis family? So, the Johnsons and Brooke made me cry yesterday. I don't have an issue with crying. I just don't cry often. And yesterday, so for those that don't know, we have a fundraiser every year for Ry who's one of the Johnsons. He has cerebral palsy, which he's had since he had a stroke of birth.

He's six, which is a heartbreaking yet inspiring kind of thing to have someone like that in our community. We've got Reese who's the hardest working, nicest human in the world, like the office we're sitting in at the moment. I'm in his factory. He built this office before he built his own, which tells you what kind of person he is. Wait, wait, wait. Johnson Electrical? Shout out to him. This podcast is eternally sponsored by Johnson Electrical because he's an amazing human. Brooke is the matriarch of - she can be both. She can be whatever she wants. She's the mum of the family and she's an amazing person.

She doesn't give herself enough credit, which constantly frustrates me and drives me crazy. She constantly puts herself down, which constantly drives me crazy and frustrates me. She doesn't give herself the self-love she deserves because to see what those guys have to go through every day with Rye is inspiring, is heartbreaking, but it's something that I guess we wouldn't have it any other way because they're amazing people. To have Jed, their little two-year-old, who is our chairman of the board at Virtus, he's in charge of most things. Loves nuggets, loves bacon, loves boobs and stuff. And gin.

He will. Give it like three years. He went away for ten days and I realized - I didn't realize, I think KP and Brooke realized that when I don't have Jed to give me like ten, fifteen, twenty minutes of kid time and of just playing around every day that I am a bit of a shit to be around. So yeah, so those four people, I think we can all - everyone everywhere can kind of look around them and see the people that have it harder than everyone else. And I think that when we have that

empathy to feel what they're feeling and that perspective to understand that all of us in this room live in a crazy, lucky part of the world and we're very appreciative of what we've got and who we've got around us. I think when you can identify people like that and give them pats on the back, give them hugs, give them help, just be there for them when they need, like the world's a better place. Absolutely. Well said. Absolutely. Now on that note, I was going to go to the last question but I don't know if I need to.

What was the last one? I can't remember. I forgot. Do you have any notes? No, I don't have any notes at all. I wrote top tracks with an X. What are you going to say? Movie or TV? Actually, yeah. No. Have what? What are you going to say? Movie or TV? No, not important. Not important at all. Not important. It's true. Actually, here's my last question. If we're sitting here this time next year and we might make this an annual thing, who knows? I like that. The six of us. I think that could be quite cool but if we're all - if the six of us are sitting here next year - Five KP's is bad.

KP just left. Hi. If we're all sitting here next year and you want to tell your future self something to hold yourself accountable to for the next 12 months, what is it? Trust the process. I love how much you bring that up. That's good. Awesome. 76. Cheers. Kate, what do you got for us? What do you want to tell 29-year-old Kate? Just give up. Turn her up. Turn her up. It's not worth it. Oh, savage. Just give up. God, I hope she's joking. Otherwise she's undid an hour and 45 minutes on the phone. I am joking.

Good. Kate would have given up on the podcast before this time next year. I need to - can you think of something else? Please. Tommy? Just obedience again. It's a common theme, but it's something I definitely want to live by. It's being aware of situations, being aware of opportunities and people and just everything. Trying to be so aware of what's happening and instead of just floating through life, it's like, all right, let's think about this. Why is this here? What's happening? Why? Just that why? Figuring out. I don't know. For me, it's praying about it and being obedient and seeking guidance from people and God and all those kind of things.

Why am I doing this? Why has this been put in front of me? Is it the right thing? Is it there to detect me and it's the wrong thing? Awesome. I like that. Being obedient. That's good. Good answer. I've got an ad on. Hit me. Double up for polls. Trusting the process. I think a big one for me is not letting past achievements or past successes define what I do next. Don't let that influence what I want to do. If it's less than what I've done in the past, that's okay and being okay with that. You do it differently and you do it consciously and you make that decision.

Being okay with not having to reach a previous mountain or something like that. That's good. Why don't we gratitude for everything, not just the good stuff? Be grateful for the struggles and the hard times and the shitty days and the days where you're tired and can't be bothered or whatever. This year in particular has been one of the hardest that I've had just in terms of a lot of different things. But I'm really grateful for everything that I've been through and made it through this year because next year... Even now, sort of on the back end of it, I'm such a better person because of it.

I can empathize with what we were saying before, empathize with other people who might be in similar situations or the growth I've had and the things that I've learnt from all of the terrible shitty mindset places or anything that I've been in and made it to the other side of in this year has been a massive learning. It's come up a lot in the podcast this year. You've talked about it a lot. It's been a common theme amongst a lot of them. And one of the guys said the other night that gratitude is becoming kind of cool.

It's becoming the "it" in thing. Mindfulness. I agree, but I don't like the way that... It's cool. It's not a fad. You don't do it because it's cool, you do it because well... It's becoming commercialized almost to a point. It's what it means and what it stands for. Exactly. What am I grateful for? Well, here are the things I'm grateful for and why. When you can enjoy whatever you're doing and be grateful for even the struggles. All of us have been through struggles this year, but we look back with 20/20 vision and go, "I'm grateful for that," but we didn't at the time.

I think when we can start to live a proactive life and when we're proactive on bad things that happen, we go, "You know what? This is going to teach me stuff." Life gets better. I've got mine. What have you got, Kate? I'm complete, but I'm not finished. Oh, wow. That's so heavy. Done. Very good. Done. Kate's done. K.P., what have you got for us? What do you want to tell this time next year? What do you want to tell K.P.? What do you want to hold yourself accountable to? I don't know. Done. Done. Hashtag done. I don't know.

Where do you want to be this time next year, life-wise, career-wise? I don't know. I don't know anything more about it. Cool. We'll talk about it in 12 months time, I guess. Well, it's just been such a hectic last few... It's just been hectic lately. I haven't really thought about that kind of stuff. Yeah. I'm excited to go away after Christmas so I get that downtime and I can work out what I want for next year. No, we're hiking every day. There's no downtime. There's downtime when you're hiking plenty of times a week. Yeah, definitely. You'll be hiking ahead probably 20 metres because that sounds like you.

Yeah. I have to run to keep up with you. Could have guessed. No, no. I need to think about it and work it all out. Awesome. Write some stuff down so I can go back and see you later on. Yeah. What's your self-worth? What's your self-worth? I... Yeah. Mine's a little bit... I'm not sure. Because part of me wants to go, "Hey, I want to have all these crazy achievements." And part of me just wants to enjoy the process. So if I... Or if you've never lost us. Yeah. Well, that thing. That's also in the video cover.

Yeah, I don't get it. I want more stuff. Can you say... You need to write the... How to say it. Is that cool? "Pocheno" is how you say it. "Pocheno." Yeah. Which is "Why not?" "Why not?" I don't have a good answer. I don't have an insightful answer. I want to look back, like I have this year, and be able to look back in 12 months and say, "I'm proud of what I did. I'm proud of who I helped. I'm proud of what we all achieved together." But my... For those that listen to any of

these podcasts and the ABC goals, my C goal is for me to be able to grab KP and go away for three months anywhere in the world and know that Virtus will keep on growing and keep helping the people it helps. So if I'm close to that goal, and if I'm able to achieve that goal by the end of the year, then that's... I'm happy, and I'm keeping goals. So yeah, that's it. I think the one thing that you could add to that is to be at this time next year, and for everyone to be able to think and really believe in and really feel, "I'm proud of who I am."

Oh, good. Which would be massive, because that's a hard thing to say. Not many people would sit there and be like, "I'm actually really proud of who I am as a person right now and for everything that I've done and for everything that I do consistently every day to either help myself or help other people." Can you guys all say that? Yeah, so if it's kind of like Kate's, it's like, "Yes, I am proud," but it doesn't mean I can't improve. But that's life though, right? Totally, but I'm proud right now for who I am, but it definitely doesn't mean I'm done.

I'm definitely proud of who you are with what you've been through and what you've done. I battle with that a lot myself, but that's just me. Well, I'm proud of you. Thank you. And I'm not blowing smoke up your eyes. I'm genuinely proud of the person you are, and I'm proud to call you a friend. Thank you. That means a lot. Welcome. Good. You know I'm proud of you, but I have to tell you that. I'm proud of all you guys, but for you guys listening, I think if you can -- one of the things

I will say in my Christmas message to the Virtus family that I recorded yesterday -- if you can take a few quiet moments of self-reflection to enjoy what you've achieved in 2017 and what you're going to achieve in 2018 and allow yourself to give yourself a pat on the back, you're doing well. So enjoy Christmas with your friends, with your families. Enjoy the new year. Stay safe and keep -- Rate and review, though. Yeah, rate and review. Come on, man. It's your job. It's in the intro, mate. If you get a four-star, go away. It makes more people listen.

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