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Your generosity is more important than your perfectionism. Seth Godin. Welcome to the Virtus Podcast. My name is Simon Cooper. I am your host for today, taking over from Lachlan Wallace. My guest today is Ms. Jasmine Birch, our newest performance coach at Virtus Performance. She is an extraordinary coach. She's an asset to our team, and we've loved having her take on a different role at the gym over the last six months, shifting from the Virtus mentorship, which she finished earlier in the year, and transitioning to a coach. I had a fantastic conversation today. We spoke a
little bit about the last six months and what's changed, what's next for both of us over the next 12 months, and what the perfect coach is. My personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day. I believe everyone, especially normal people, have a story to tell. The Virtus Podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey and experiences of each of our guests. Afternoon everyone. This is the Virtus Podcast. I'm Simon Cooper, and I have today with me Ms. Jasmine Birch. Welcome. Hi. I'm here.
Hi. Not much. Same old. Same old. What a rubbish answer. No. So we've taken over the podcast today. No Lachlan here, so I think this is probably the first episode that he hasn't been running the show. Really? Yeah. I guess so there's been one, hasn't there? Policy interviewed Lach once. That was a takeover. But we have no Lachlan with us today. I guess for me, I want to just chat about what's been happening for the last six months in your world, Jas, and just getting up there and where you're at. What's happening? Awesome. So how's the last six months been for you?
It's been good, that's for sure. Good start to the summary. I think the last time I did a podcast, it was before I started coaching at Virtus, so over the past six or so months I've definitely delved into that a lot and I've been enjoying every minute of it, that's for sure. I have found it challenging in lots of ways, but also very rewarding at the same time. It's really good going into work, having work not feel like work, like it doesn't feel like a job, which is the fun side of things. I sort of
love how I can walk in and out of Virtus as if it's a second home and not really a working area, which is definitely the fun side of what I do day in and day out, especially when I quit Chemist Warehouse a couple of months ago. I walked back into there to buy some, I don't know, Chemist Warehouse shit, you know, like I walked into there and I was like, "Wow, I'm so glad I don't work here anymore." I used to walk in there, absolutely hate it and walk out finishing the shift and it's just, you know, you walk in, get the job done, hate work, hate life and just get out of there.
I don't have that same vibe with what I do now, which is amazing and yeah, couldn't be happier. Cool. How's your perspective shifted since you've kind of moved into this role in a business that you can create the change you want to see in people and that's fulfilling? What's changed to make that a reality? I don't know, I think it's really dependent on the people you work with, that's for sure. So it's funny, I was having this conversation with someone the other day as well, it's really interesting going from a franchise like Chemist Warehouse, a
really big, well-known, large company into a small business like Virtus, which with small stuff and the numbers like, for example, Chemist Warehouse, say you can call in sick and you just replace people straight away, like they'll just go straight to the next person or you can quit on the spot and they won't really care, like they'll just hire someone new straight away. Whereas at Virtus it's so much more like everyone's family kind of thing and I think my perspective has changed a lot in terms of the way a business is run from such a big,
large, known franchise to a small business, it's funny how like the things we set in stone with, like the weekly huddles we do and yeah, just the meetings and all the small things, it really adds up to make sure that a company's running well smoothly and like even the staff members are enjoying what they do kind of thing, I think is really important. I guess that's one of the benefits of being in a small business with a small, tight group of employees or team members is that we have control over how we run the thing, right?
Yeah. Like we don't have these guidelines set out to us by a big headquarters or certain budgets that we have to allocate towards certain things, like we can dictate how we run the show. Yeah. Yeah. What do you say when people ask you what you do for a living? Great question. Tell me, what do you do? Remember yesterday I had to fill out that questionnaire thing and it said to me, it was like what is your occupation and I was looking at all the options and I was like none of these suit me, I don't
have one and it sucks, especially being a student at uni when you just don't even know what direction you're going into at the end of your degree and you don't know what occupation you fit into with like something I'm studying and I'm sure a lot of people can relate to studying such a wide, varied degree or whatever, but yeah, the options were like education/training, so I ticked that one, but then there was other, so I ticked other and then I just wrote student because I don't even know anymore. Yeah, it's hard. What is your, how would you describe your role at Virtus?
There's like the coaching side of things, that's for sure, like teaching, educating people on the benefits of exercise and how to exercise and prescribing exercise, which is the fun side and then there's also like the community aspect. I think that's really important, sort of connecting with every person that walks in and out of the doors, I thoroughly enjoy and I think that's quite a big thing that I value about myself and the company is like the people that we have come in and out, like first thing on their mind is, I just hate the idea
that some people who don't go to Virtus for example might go to like a commercial gym or go in there just to get the job done and leave kind of thing and like some people dread the gym but they still go to it just because they have to, I don't know, burn X amount of calories or do that session but I definitely like that the people we have coming in and out, they don't have that perspective towards training and I think holding a conversation with someone before, during and after a session adds in a lot of value to that, to what we like stand by and what we do.
Yeah, that's it. So people who don't come to Virtus, do you think, I mean we said in the past that like the fitness or the exercise stuff is the excuse to get people in and become part of a community or a culture where they feel belonging and they feel connection and that sort of thing, do you think that people just, the reason they, like why do people not want to be a part of that? I don't know, do you have the answer to that? No. I don't know, it seems, yeah I mean it seems, going
back to that idea of like there's barriers and that we can't control I guess but everyone's different and people being close minded sucks as well, I guess. Yeah, how do you approach people who are close minded? What do you? You don't. Stay away. Stay away. It's hard, that's all. What about like one of the things that I find really hard as someone in this industry and as someone who represents Virtus, which is I guess stands out as something different, how do you explain what you do to people who don't have an understanding of the community
and connection and even the performance benefits that we preach, how do you kind of overcome the barriers to explain what it is that we do? Yeah, and then like in saying that with that question, it's going back to like what your elevator pitch is and like what's your elevator pitch? I don't know what mine is, I still really struggle, it makes me feel stressed thinking about my elevator pitch because I still don't have a confident two minutes of like talking about myself. I don't know what to say. It's tough. Give a definition on what an elevator pitch is for those who don't know.
I don't know, is that a common thing that people understand? I think it's just like a term that people give to like a short summary of what you do, right? Yeah. So you're stuck in an elevator for one minute and you've got to talk about you and what you do and how you do it in the elevator, go what's yours, we're in an elevator, let's hear it. I would say that I'm a coach, not just of strength and conditioning but of behaviour change and I coach people how to overcome change in their lives, whether it's
lifestyle or relationships or health and I help them to shift their perspective so that they can see that this change is good in their lives and this relates back to like my workshops that I've been running, the power of change and I guess the change in our culture that I want to see. I want to see people being able to reach the pinnacle of what they could achieve and this sort of transcends Virtus, right? Virtus is the perfect crucible for this and it's a great way to kind of practice these conversations but it transcends or it goes beyond just Virtus.
You're right, it's difficult to explain what you do though. It's being able to still, and it's always walked off. It's hard to be able to articulate exactly what it is that you do, right? It's hard and even like you just asked me before, what does the past six months look like? I don't know, I'm looking at that and I'm like I don't even know, it's gone so quickly and it's like blown past and so much has happened, it's like I don't even know what I do anymore. What does the next 12 months look like for you?
Hopefully ideally this time next year, it's hard, I don't know, I hate and love this question all at once because it's like I'm going to listen to this in a year's time and it's like either happened or it hasn't and I'll be either sad or upset. But either way you'll be down the path, right? Yeah, I would have evolved and adapted so let's be open minded to that sentence but anyway 12 months from now I would like to be studying a Masters of Teaching in Primary/Secondary Education while still smashing goals at Virtus week by week
in terms of just loving what I do and having work not really feel like work, just getting the job done and enjoying every bit of it. Maybe a second job as well if I feel like it, I don't know what yet. I feel like pushing to that limit, I'm not sure, I don't know. Why do you want to do teaching? I like the education side of things and I like the sustainability the job holds kind of thing. Ever since I got into the idea of like hey yeah let's be a personal trainer or let's get into this industry I've sort of realized like you can't, well I don't seem, I shouldn't say you can't because people can.
I don't see myself doing this in 10 years time at all or it's definitely like a phase and a bit of a blip. What do you mean? Coaching? Yeah coaching or personal training or whatever the job title is I just I love it and I want to keep growing in it but then I also see something like teaching being a bit more sustainable around what I see, on like where I see myself in like 10 years time with a family and a house and all that fun stuff. Yeah I think that's why and I think I'd enjoy it.
I always like school, I really enjoyed school. Really? Yeah I don't know why, like so many people hate school and then I don't know why I just really enjoyed it. I quite enjoyed school. I like the social aspect of it. Being around your friends all the time and obviously I love learning as well, that's a big part of it and going straight from school to uni, that just seemed like a natural progression. Yeah same here. Because you've just gone straight from school into uni and then you'll potentially start a masters as well. Yeah and then
I hear that and I'm like why am I doing that, like why, when people say that to me they're like okay yeah you're going straight one into the other but I don't see myself doing it any other way, I'm not that interested in a gap year even though I'm interested to travel and stuff like I'm down for it and I want to do it and I've got it booked and ready to go but I'm also like I can always handle both like yeah kind of thing so see how that goes. In terms of 12 months
from now though Liam's also pushing for moving out and getting a house so that's another big thing, see how that goes, shout out to Liam, ding ding wherever the bell is but yeah we'll see, see what happens. Yeah I mean plans always change right? They do, they definitely do and I'm so young, I'm not even 21 yet, I need to like just chill out, just relax, this is why I hate that question of like where do you see yourself 12 months from now because then I start freaking talking about houses and shit that makes me sound old.
Ages is a number though right? If that's the thing that you want then I'll do it, you'll do it and it doesn't matter whether you're 21 or 31 or 51, you can still want these things and you can still be moving toward them regardless. Yeah definitely, what about you, are you ready to see yourself for 12 months from now? That's a great question, it depends, yeah it's a great question I'm not sure, I'm sort of at a crossroads at the moment so I've spent the last, I finished my uni degree in July so I spent
the last two years working to tick that off and now that that chapter's kind of closed I'm looking to take that next step and whether that's continue with Virtus and continue building this thing that we're all creating and continue fostering that community and the culture and being a big part in that, that's definitely door A. Door B is moving into a more, let's call it corporate type role where I can kind of start practicing the things that I've learnt in my degree and I'm hesitating between the two doors because I'm not sure how I can live the lifestyle that I want to live and make both of those results or outcomes fit within that.
So it's, I'll keep, I'm happy doing what I'm doing right now, like I love being a part of Virtus, I love the role that I'm in and the community that I'm a part of but there's also like the change that I want to create in our culture or in our world, like it's not just limited to Virtus, there's potentially a bigger impact that I can have on the world if I shifted gears into a different role or in a different direction. So I'll explore options and I'll see what door's open but I'm pretty open to things at the moment.
I don't know. Look at you go. What about you and Sally? What about us? 12 months from now. Anything new? Shout out to Sally Ann. Well Sally Ann will finish her master's degree in psychology in June next year so once she's finished with that she'll shift gears into a full-time role practicing psych which she's super excited for. I don't know, we might look at moving out and moving into a house together, maybe have a little holiday first. Cool. What do you recommend? I don't know. We've been to England many times. Shout out to England. Shout out to the Queen.
The Queen. I don't know. We've sort of done a bit of Europe, maybe we'll do something like Asia, love to go to Japan. I went to America a few years ago, I'd love to take Sally Ann there. Oh, should we go? Yeah, maybe. I've got a friend, shout out to Lilf, lots of shout outs. I know. He's spent two years in Revelstoke, he comes back early next year so we probably won't cross paths but I'd love to go out there and explore with Sal. That'd be epic. Yeah. Well I've got Japan in December and then I'm thinking America next year.
Very cool. I think. See what happens though. I'm a little bit unsure if I go about doing a master's, because it's accelerated too so if I smash that out in 1.5 years, I don't know how much time off I necessarily get just yet. Yeah. See what happens. How do you feel about this uncertainty of not knowing what you're going to go into? It's one of those things where it's like exciting and scary all at once kind of thing, especially in saying that with that question, a lot of me questions the degree in terms of it
being accelerated so 1.5 years and it being a masters and then I'm like wow this sounds like a lot of content workload or whatever, especially considering the bachelors that I'm doing now is really like the assessments and the exams and stuff, they're very practical based and they're not, like I'm not writing essays day in day out kind of thing so I'm not sure if I should be expecting that or what to expect but then I just remind myself that I've sort of got the support around me to help. Steph, I can never say her last name is Steph, new one.
Steph, new one. Shout out. Shout out to her. Yeah, I know I can lean on people like her who's done something super similar and even like going back to the people that we know in and out of it, there's so many teachers that I'm sure would be happy to help and yeah just head down, bum up, smash it out. Do you doubt your ability to do the course? All the time. Why? When do I never? I doubt my ability to be a coach every day. Why? Because I can. Because you can? Because I feel like self-doubt is probably my biggest weakness as a person I reckon.
I just like get too unconfident with things I just need to look past them and flourish. You yeah um that's a toughie. Yeah, how do you help that? Don't know. What's your weakness? My weakness? Self-doubt's definitely mine. Probably my ability to deal with uncertainty. So faced with the two dollars that I mentioned earlier, it's really hard to take action on moving forward when it's so hard to make a decision or there's resistance in trying to choose. We get hit with this tension that we try to move through when we make these decisions and I just find it super difficult to commit to doing something when there are two perfectly good options.
So why should I commit to option A when option B is just as good? So it's kind of choosing between two things and yeah I just find it super hard and that stops me from moving forward. I just get stuck. Stuck in the mud. Let's go back to the workshop you did, the power of change or give that a little shout out power of change. The exercise you did in it, the fear setting one, I find that really helpful. Talk me through it. There's all the columns, isn't there, a fear setting. I thought you'd know it more popping up than I would.
What's the first one? So the exercise we did was fear setting and it was essentially dissecting why we might be afraid of taking action on something. And it shows us the consequences of the inaction. So it could be like for you it could be committing to doing your master's degree. So what are the costs of inaction in 3, 6, 12 months, 3 years, you wouldn't be moving towards the dream of being a teacher or it wouldn't give you the platform to be able to express your love of learning. And the exercise asks you to write down things which you are doing and you're not doing to reach that goal, I guess.
It's more an exercise in awareness rather than it's not a goal setting or it gives you an answer. It's bringing awareness to why you should take action toward your dream or your goal. Why did you do the power of change? To get more clear on next year. To make sure that it is something that I wanted to stick through and just get done. And it is going back to that idea of let's say at this rate I might not even get accepted into it, I might not and that's always another fear or section of uncertainty
is that I've got this clear picture on what my next 12 months might look like and hey it might not, like you never know, something will always pop up out of nowhere and that ends up happening instead. So I think I did it for awareness of what I wanted it to look like and shape out my next 12 months and go from there and it was good, it helped. What picture did that paint for you? It painted the picture of the steps I needed to take and what's in my control and what's out of my control.
Answering all the solutions to the consequences of what might happen and yeah, just going from there. It definitely helped shape more awareness to what I was about to stick through with. Cool. Yeah. Super cool. Yeah. What's coming back to the last six months of being a coach of those, what's been your biggest lesson or your biggest takeaway from shifting from being an intern, going through this program with us and having the role of intern to now you're putting on a different mask or a different hat as a coach, how has that role impacted you or what have you taken away from that?
That's a good question. I think the biggest challenge or hurdle I've probably had is going back to self doubt kind of thing in terms of just being surrounded by people who I feel like are 20 times better than I am and then going from there, that's always a hard one but I think learning from that as well is really important. And then it's going back to that quote or saying that I think Locky used to always mention, if you're the smartest person in the room, you're standing in the wrong room or that one. I don't know, don't quote me on it.
I don't know who said it either. Shout out. Some guy. Some guy. But yeah, you always want to be in a room of people who are smarter than you to obviously learn and grow from them a lot more and I definitely feel like I'm doing that every day. I'm learning in and out of work which is awesome. Yeah, that's definitely been the biggest challenge and learning curve of the past six months. What are you learning? Everything. What don't I learn? Even things, it's been good as well like finishing up with uni, like the units I'm
doing at the moment, how that's like crossing over to work, like what I do here, like I don't know, something you said before that sort of reminded me that I was going to bring up in conversation was like one of my units at the moment, exercise and psychology, I've found super interesting in the way that it's been good in terms of it's teaching you how to communicate with people but specifically clients and stuff and the way that you go about wording things, especially when you can just tell the answer to someone's problem or issue or
for example someone saying like I want to lose weight or I am too fat or I need to run or something like that and it's that idea of like okay, I know the answer for them is to just exercise which is what I do as a job to help people exercise, it's like alright, how do I make that person realise what the answer is without just telling them the answer because most likely someone's going to listen to that and just be like they're not going to do it. You've got to try and bring that answer
out of them and how you summarise and word things, that's been really good so just crossing over a lot of stuff that I learned at uni into like day to day life at work has been really, really good. Yeah, cool. I think that's one of the most important things as a coach, right? We don't have the answers to all the clients or a client's questions. Even if we do, then it's not our job just to give it to them. We almost need to ask the questions to lead them to the answer and then when they
realise it themselves, A, it's more fulfilling for them because they have come to this conclusion all on their own seemingly and B, it's probably more powerful. And then being a coach, it can be so rewarding like stepping back and watching them click the paths of what they need to do. I think. Yeah, it's been really good. Cool. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I really like that. What does a perfect coach look like to you? What is the thing that you're, the ideal vision of a coach that you're striving to be? That's a really good question.
That's funny because I remember when I was an intern, I drew a stick figure in the middle of a page and then I wrote little speech bubbles on what I wanted being a coach as an ideal, perfect coach and just using aspects of coaching that I found from all the different staff members and stuff. I accumulated this stick figure of 5,000 things on a page and then I think the perfect coach is someone who cares and someone who has a passion for what they do, shows care, constant care for the client, knows what they're talking about, has confidence in what they're talking about which is something I think I struggle with, always there, science-based principles, outgoing, loud, comforting.
Have you revisited that since you've started? No. I actually found the book the other day and I was like, "Oh, I don't know if I want to look through it." That would be a cool exercise. It would. I probably should. I need to. Definitely. Yeah. It's like another thing that we spoke about in the workshop and the idea was touched upon by Logan at the Hold The Standards Summit. It was like the visual representation of the thing you're trying to do. As coaches, I think it's hard. It's sometimes easy to lose sight of the type of coach where you want to be.
We get caught up in the day-to-day running of the business, the programming being in the thick of it. Yeah, and life in general. Totally. Sometimes it helps to take a step back, revise what that mental representation is of the thing that we're trying to do or the person we're trying to be and check ourselves to see if we're actually doing the things to be the perfect coach. Absolutely. I think it's really important as well in terms of if you're listening to this and it's that idea of, "I'm not a coach. This doesn't relate to me," but it could relate to any job you're doing.
Totally. A teacher could be listening to this and reminding themselves, "Okay, me being a teacher in front of a classroom full of students, what am I wanting to do? What's the ideal teacher? What's the ideal barista?" The ideal student, even if you're not really in a job industry yet. Great exercise. Just draw that stick figure and speech bubbles around it. Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's good. Another question, going back to what you said before. I used to do this all the time. Look back, reflect, instead of asking that question of 12 months from now, what were you doing 12 months ago?
Reflecting on past things to see how far you've come. I used to do it all the time and I used to really enjoy it. What did you do this time 12 months ago? What month ago? This time last year, September. Around grand final time. Getting ready for the mighty Eagles to win the grand final. That's the best thing in the competition. I lived over in WA for a little while. When I was about four years old. Were you born there? I was born in Clayton. My mum and dad moved down to Mount Eliza when I was about two or three, just when my sister was born.
Then, when I was four years old, we moved over to WA for dad's work. I lived there until I was about seven. I think those were formative years. Before then, I didn't have a football team and I left like an Eagles fan. I've been back in Victoria ever since but I haven't shaken that. This time last year, I was in the middle of my degree. Stressed? I don't think so. I'm not the sort of person to stress over stuff like that. I just kind of do the work. I think I stress more over the big stuff.
More than just the little day-to-days. I would have been studying. I was pretty similar to what I'm doing now with Virtus. Sally and I had a holiday in Tabali in the middle of last year. Not much would have changed, I think. My perspective has definitely shifted in the last 12 months, hugely. Taking on more of a leadership role at Virtus, not studying. Now has definitely freed up a lot more capacity to do stuff at Virtus. My coaching work with John has been a huge influence over how I perceive the world around me and what I'm I guess spending my time doing.
I'm definitely looking a little bit at the broader picture and the change that I want to see in people or in myself. How can I take action to do that? My role hasn't changed much in the last 12 months but my perspective or my intention has definitely changed in the last 12 months, which I think I'm quite proud of. I like the direction that I'm going in. Even though the future's still a little bit unclear, I'm still moving in the direction that I want and I'm having conversations with people and connecting with others and making a contribution that I still really love.
So, what about you? Good question. This time last year, I was actually on a cruise. I was visiting New Caledonia. Shout out to the people that I went with. Was that before or after the mentorship? Before, yeah. Mentorship would have been in November. It's funny, actually. No, it's coming back to me now. So, I applied for the mentorship before going away on holidays. So, I went and visited New Caledonia, some of the surrounding islands. From there, I had a blast. Yeah, it was really good. We ended up spending like over $1,000 on fish bowls and cocktails.
You get that? So, that was fun. That was mid-semester break of my second year of uni. And definitely looking back at it, so much has changed between then and now. I was just working at Chemist Warehouse, just studying a lot. And in my second year, yeah, between then, yeah, took up Virtus, now quit there. Sorry, Smashing Girls. Hell yeah. I'm just looking at my calendar, what I was doing last year. I was actually doing a week-long intensive at uni called Green Steps, which is like a sustainable development leadership program where we learnt about how to create sustainable development initiatives and that'll tackle climate change, which is actually really cool.
It's a cool experience. That's cool. Where was it? It was based at uni at Monash. So, a week-long program followed by a consulting project where we... My project was based around microgrids at university and how we can create self-sustaining grids based on renewable energy. Pretty interesting. A bit different. It's not something like I'd done before, but yeah, it was a cool challenge. Super cool. Love it. Yeah. What are the current challenges that you're facing in your work or in your personal development? I think, just going back to self-doubt really, just having those weaknesses of like... Self-doubt?
Yeah. I just feel like everyone's doing better than I am and I should be doing better kind of thing. Is it like a comparison thing? Yeah, more of a comparison, I reckon. I just look at the people that I work alongside with thinking that these guys are doing so much better than I am, but I've just got to remind myself they've been doing it for a shit tonne longer than I have and... You're still green. Yeah, exactly. I need to be more patient, I think. I always have patience as something I really struggle with. I'm super impatient and I just want to get stuff done now.
But yeah, I think that would be probably the biggest thing I'm challenged with. What about you? For me, I think my biggest challenge at the moment is setting boundaries around my time and around the things that I spend my time doing. Because I've got my project work with John, I've got Virtus, I've got these other small kind of projects that I'm working on, like the workshop. So it's separating, being able to separate them so that I'm not multitasking or trying to juggle these different things all at once. Yeah, that's me actually at the moment too. I'm going to take that as well.
That's another challenge that I'm really struggling with. University is like a perfect playing field for that. Because, yeah, balancing uni and work and personal stuff. I've got like just 5,000 things I feel like I've started all at once that I'm trying to tick off. And yeah, time boundaries are something that doesn't exist in my world. Just trying to plod along at it all all at once. I'm a multi-focused person. You know how he always goes, "Oh, I'm a single focused guy." You know how he always says that? I'm multi-focused. I have like five things all at once to think about and do.
I'd hate to be single focused. I couldn't do it. Life would be boring. What do you mean? I don't know. Explain single focus to me. So single focus is like, I'll use Lachie's example of just being on your phone and someone will be talking to you and he'll just stay on his phone and he can't do two things at once. Great example. Yeah, so that's a single focus. Whereas a multi-focus would be like, perfect example, Mitch having three TV screens. Baseball, basketball, football, and then just programming on one computer and Pat and Bailey with the other hand all at once.
Like a multi-focus of 5,000 things on a little world. Yeah, that's me. Cool. Yeah. Very good. Very good. What are you? You're a single focus. I think I'm a single focus. I mean, I'd like that I can put my head down and just get stuff done and not be distracted by other things. I can't focus on like three different things at once and get anything meaningful done. I can't be productive like that. I've got a few questions to finish. This is demanded by you. I just think it's needed, every podcast. All right. How do you start every morning?
Do you have a routine that you stick with that gives you the best start to your day or is it? Oh, all right. The start of my morning looks like, well, before the morning happens, so before I go to bed, I usually lay out the clothes and I'm wearing for the next day. Sounds like weird, but I don't know why I just always do it because it gets me out of bed quicker. So the start of my morning is literally getting straight up out of bed, putting those clothes on and turning the light on and
then Liam will probably like start crying because I'll just get up early and he doesn't and he just rolls over and gets all grumpy and then just get up, put everything in my bag and go. I'm such a rush person in the morning. I try and get as much sleep as possible because like, for example, on Thursday starting work at six 30 in the morning, I literally have my alarm on at five 50 take and I give myself 10 minutes to get changed and that's it. Like just get changed, put stuff in my bag and leave at like exactly six to get to work at six 15.
I just try and get as much sleep as possible and yeah, I think that's my morning. What is, uh, what's success to you? I hate that question. Sorry. That's okay. Success to me is doing something you're passionate about and um, like achieving goals in it, having small wins, which eventually build up to big wins. Would you say that you are successful? No. Why? I don't know. But you're doing something that you're passionate about right now. You're hitting goals by helping clients achieve theirs. You're working towards your own development and your education. Yeah. I guess you could say that.
You got me there. Yes. I'm trying to think about it. I know people would just be listening to it like shut up and disagree with it. So that would be the right thing to do. Hit me with the next one. How do you show up in your life? Um, with a smile. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. A good one to finish. Nice. Well Jasmine, it's been a pleasure. Short and sweet. Thanks for coming on. That's okay. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Nice chatting. Thanks. Thank you.
