S3E06 · Jazz Speight

This episode of the Virtus podcast is brought to you by Manscaped. No, just kidding. On this episode, Jasmine Speight, our newest addition to the team, sat down with head coach Mitch Rowe to discuss what makes her tick, what she's been up to and what she aspires to do in the future. Since giving us all COVID in late December in 2021, she's been a really, really valuable and much loved addition to the team. If you've been lucky enough to spend an extended period of time with her or you're yet to meet her, this is a great podcast to get to know the newest addition to our team.

She's just finished up a few weeks placement at a neurological rehab centre, so she'll talk all about that and what she aspires to do in the future. All right. Welcome back to the Virtus performance podcast. A little change in host, upgraded, better quality, better looking, taller, tander, you name it. For those that do not know my voice or are seeing my face for the first time, my name is Mitch. I am head coach here at Virtus. Today's guest, very special, I've had to tie her to the chair, lock the door, throw the key, we'll be back in an hour, is Jasmine Speight.

Welcome. Thank you. I was getting a little nervous you weren't going to say anything. First podcast, yes? Yes. Oh, this is exciting. First question, what's your heart rate currently? Yes, please. It was 95 a minute ago. Yeah, for reference, Jas's resting heart rate, what did we work out it was? About 46. Yeah, 46, resting heart rate. We're currently sitting at? 95. 95, so we're peaking. We're doing a slow jog currently. Jas, you are one of our newest, well you are our newest coach at Virtus and you have recently been on placement, so there's still probably lots of Virtus members that haven't seen you yet.

Tell us about yourself now and then we're going to deep dive a little bit about you as a child, you as an adult and where we're going from there. Not too deep, but that's where we're going to start. Where I am currently now in terms of? Yeah, tell us about yourself. If someone said, "Hey Jas, tell me about yourself." What are you going to start with? Well, I'm currently completing my masters in exercise physio, so I've got about just under a year to go, but also working as a strength and conditioning coach as well. But yeah, just playing sport and working pretty much.

Part-time student, part-time, well I should say, full-time work. Interesting to juggle, but I'm enjoying it as well. Cool. Where do you study? What are you doing? Deakin, exercise phys. What placement did you just finish and what are you going to next? I just finished my first placement at a neuro rehab clinic, so I was at full-time neuro-electrical rehab group. So yeah, that was intense, but a really good experience. Character development. Yes, as always. That's my favourite thing here. So obviously you, like I, have many fingers in many parts. You do lots of different things every week.

So tell us what a normal week right now looks like for Jas. Well it does change every week, but at the moment I am currently working at a place called Base Physio and Performance as well as at Virtus. So I spend my mornings, afternoons working at either a place in a school setting as well as in a clinical environment or in a gym here at Virtus. And then in the afternoons I am working at St Kilda with you with the A4W girls. Very nice. What's your favourite job? I don't have one. I like them for different reasons.

I'm going to sit on the fence. Coward. Alright, what is the best part about each of your jobs then? And what's the worst part? Because they're not all just positive and sunshine and rainbows. I think the, what are we going to go through and list them all or are we just going to say as well? You're in charge. You're in charge. Welcome to a non-formative podcast. Also for everyone listening at home, I had a note sheet with some questions on it that has somehow disappeared from the office at Virtus. And for anyone who knows Lachlan and his ability to clean things, he only does it when he's avoiding something.

So normally bills or tasks or things that other people rely on. So we're going to call it free balling today. Okay. Free ball. I think the best part of the job that I get to do is the clientele that I get to work with. I really enjoy working with athletes and then also in the rehab space. I love to problem solve and all of my jobs involve having to do some form of problem solving. So I like to think and just keep busy. But again, creative and in a sense as well. I think they're all similar but different in the sense of just different environments, which is what I like being into.

I wouldn't be able to just do a nine to five job that wouldn't fit my personality. I like to be constantly working on projects and getting better each day. And I think all of my jobs allow me to do that at this time, which is what I like. How did you get into the health and fitness, sports science, rehab field? Well, I was listening to your podcast the other day. It was pretty much the same as I was an athlete when I was young. I played sport. I wouldn't know if I was an athlete. And I love sport.

But yeah, I had a strength and conditioning. I had no idea what it was. But I had a strength and conditioning coach when I was younger, when I was getting into netball and it was a little bit more serious. And I loved it. It got me, I had heaps of injuries as well, like just little ones throughout the growth spurt. I'm still waiting for my second one. Second growth spurt. That's not happening. I still have hope. I'm not that old yet. I forgot what we were talking about now. I'm shocked. I know you are. I forgot what we were talking about now.

You changed the topic. What do you mean what were we talking about? I can't remember what we were talking about. What were you just describing? So we were going to get into this later, but it seems that it's read its head at the very start here. For those that have either worked with Jazz or been a coach or an athlete of Jazz, Jazz has these things, especially at St Kilda. We call them Jazz moments or idioms where Jazz just does little air hairy type things. There might be one of them right there. So the first question on that topic, and we're getting back to what we were just talking about, but the first question, this one comes from Ben Frith.

I don't have any notes, so this one's just cemented upstairs. Jazz, where is the weirdest, most strange place you've left your phone? Because you have been known to leave your phone on the ground or in the gym or who knows else, and that's what we're going to find out. Several places, but the most recent one was at base we work at schools as well, and it's about 15 minutes away, and I left it there and then had to travel back from base, back to the school and had to go in a bit of a wild goose chase to try and find it and make it back for my patient at 4.30.

Do you have an Apple Watch? Yes, and yes, somebody just told me how to use it. That should be your newest, most used app. We're going to get into that question later as well of what is your most used app on your phone, and I think Find My Phone might be up there. Probably needed. Anyway, moving on. Let's talk about, not baby Jazz, but little Jazz. We're talking about childhood and growing up, because obviously not, and talking to people across this week, full annoying that this podcast is coming up. Not a lot of people know

much about you, because obviously, and we'll get into this, you're not originally from around where Virtus is, and you did a quick-fired internship, and we'll get into how you got a job and things like that, but not a lot of people know a lot about you. So we're going right back. So let's talk about primary school, growing up, family life, where'd you start, where'd you go, what happened, tell me about it. Alright, well. You're in charge from here. That was a long question, I didn't even know it stuck. I'm excited, because I don't know this part either.

I grew up around the eastern suburbs area with my family, so I have two older brothers, Zach and Zander, and then my mum and my dad as well. So we were around that area all same primary school, played a lot of sport, love my brothers, they're the best, so had them as great role models throughout my life, which has been awesome. But haven't really moved around from there as well, and then stayed around that area when I was going into high school as well. I've been to the same schools as my brothers throughout, so super close to them, they're the best.

Actually currently, in a couple of months, moving out with Zach. Is he paying for more of it, and that's why you're sweet-talking him? Absolutely, he's older. I'd do the same here as well, Karen, as you were. But yeah, super close with them, and they're the best. And now we're going to be closer to Zander, who moved out a couple of years ago as well. So how old are your brothers? We're two years apart. Zach's 24, Zander's 26. Very nice. I didn't know that either. Yeah, they're both older. Yeah, so just played heaps of sport, that was pretty much my childhood sport.

What sports? When I was really young, my mum put me in dance, and that lasted about maybe a year. That's horrifying. Because I would just be on the stage and just waving at my mum the whole time. That doesn't surprise me, though. Yeah, heaps of fun. I tried heaps of different sports, I just had too much energy. I used to be really loud and confident, and now I'm just super quiet. Oh no, you're still loud. Yeah, loud, but yeah, heaps of different things. My main ones, I did track and field, cross country. I was longer distance, so anything above 800 metres.

And then cross country, loved longer distance. I'm not fast at all, all powerful in the slightest. I don't know about that. Maybe not in the slightest. But yeah, and then moved into more netball, and then netball was my main sport that I went into a little bit more. Was netball something you thought you wanted to do long term? Obviously a lot of kids listen to this podcast as well as sport being something that they want to do as a job. Was that the same for you? Yes, I guess most people are listening to your podcast and you're the same.

I wanted to continue on with netball and go into VNL and keep getting better. But again, I just wasn't good enough. I was in a state team and I was pretty good. I was training about five, I reckon I was five, six times a week. I did tryouts for a couple of years and there were just so many girls. I just wasn't good enough basically. In what way? Because I, only upon reflection, have come to this and realised that you may or may not have as well. But what stopped you from taking the next step? Well, that would have been the year that I got offered an internship to go into work in sport.

And it was pretty much one or the other. How old are you at this stage? 18? So not too long ago. No, maybe I would have started trying out for clubs and places when I was 17 and then 17, 18. I thought I was going to continue on with netball and just see how it went and have it something that I would do on the side. But I ended up prioritising being able to work in the industry because I ended up loving it. And then, yeah, things just kind of changed and then I guess COVID also hit.

So now I'm just playing for a little bit of just fun every now and then when I can. Nice. And then talk about post netball, where did you find your passion? Because obviously sport was obviously a big part of your life growing up. Where did that kind of passion shift? Well, it would have been through one of my – latest? Wait, I don't know what I'm trying to say. My last netball club that I was at, I had two really good coaches and there was strength and conditioning. And that was probably the first time. Name drop?

Rob and Laura Nidelli. Thank you. They ran – this is where I got my first job as well, doing netball coaches and clinics and just strength and conditioning. So they are like the best and they were like heaps of fun and like I had no experience whatsoever. And they were like, yeah, here you go. Just go and try and do your best and fail and learn, which was I think early on learning that you're going to be shit at the start was okay. And that's fine. That's where you're never going to know everything and you're just going to keep on learning, getting better.

But yeah, they were awesome in a sense and I loved it heaps. And I kind of just went down, had my first placement in uni and again loved it and just found a passion through – well, strength and conditioning, it helped me when I was younger because I was always injured and I was – yeah, it just went – growth spurt. There's heaps of things that happen during like when you're just in that age group. So I think having those two as role models for me were like the best and now I kind of see as I want to be that for younger girls, which is why I like working in the schools and working with youth athletes.

I think that's a very – that's the word I'm looking for. I think it's a make or break age in terms of having a good role model because if I didn't have those, I wouldn't know where. I think that was a big turning point for me. What qualities do you think makes up good role models? What should kids or parents or coaches look out for in role models, do you think? Well, I think people just need to listen a little bit more. I think listening and just – well, what they did really well for me was they allowed – yeah, they just allowed me to fail in terms of being able to be in that environment.

We're not always going to be perfect and I think it's just having that person that's actually going to genuinely try and help you. Listening and – yeah, it's probably the biggest one is I just think we spend too much time talking rather than listening to the other person. Ironic for us, not so much ironic for other people listening at home but I feel attacked right now. Very funny. No, no, no, I'm just kidding. Through high school, I guess, was sports performance or S&C or something along that path kind of always the aim or did you have something else you might want to start with?

See, I loved art and I loved visual community design so I was actually thinking that I was going to go down that route for a little bit. I always was playing sport and I absolutely loved it and I kind of had it in my – kind of had it there just in case and I thought that I was going to go into more. I looked into unis for design and I just didn't end up doing it. I don't know, it just didn't end up happening and then I just applied for exercise and sports science because in the end, I decided that I – well, through my strength and conditioning coaches, that was something that I wanted to do.

I was going to – I thought that I would just be performance based and strength and conditioning, not really knowing or anything about it except for what I'd known and yeah, potentially go down the netball, netball coaching. Practically, I really wanted to do what the Rob and Lauren were doing so I was really lucky that I had them from a young age. And then what about kind of uni life? Like what did uni life look like to you? Did you enjoy the transition from year 12 where everything is very much given to you and set up for you and your job is to kind of follow the process?

Whereas uni is very much you take what you want out of it and you kind of get out what you put in. What was the transition like and kind of did you enjoy like the first two years of uni? I know you're still studying but from an undergrad point of view, what was that transition period like? I loved it because I wasn't like – my ATAR wasn't like impressive or anything. I had to work very hard to be able to get the grades I needed to to even get into like an exercise science. My grades were not great.

Naturally, I have to work very hard for them. And then going into uni, things just made more sense to me because it was in the context of something that I had passion for rather than just having to write an essay. And I think there was more context behind and I actually could see where I was going. So I really loved going into uni and having that different flexibility and then having more of a practical side. Early on, it would have been my first – and lucky for Rob and Laura and I, I was already working as a coach and had a little bit of experience but nothing crazy.

And yeah, as soon as one of my lecturers was like, "You have to start coaching now," that's probably my biggest advice and I did basically just try to get as much coaching reps in and then through my first placement which I loved. That was at RISE. I met some really awesome people and from there, that's pretty much kind of where I've gone. But I loved the flexibility and how it was actually – and I know sports science is very broad still but through having the placements, you can see a little bit better about where you actually want to go.

Was your first year – you might have been the first group to go through the two lots of placement because I didn't do that when I went through my undergrad which is why I eventually did the internship here at Virtus and as we worked out today, we've been here for seven years and I'm still here. Do you find – and I think this is a great idea that uni's transition to that second year placement is to kind of dip your toes in the water kind of thing. Did you find at the time benefit in that

but now looking back at it, do you feel like that helped you set up what you wanted to do for third year and then also after uni as well? Yeah I don't think – what was it, 120. I don't think that's nearly enough to know. We had to do two placements but there's options to do more which I ended up doing just because I found value and I think you've got to do – in our industry, it's just known that you've got to do some free additional work in order to kind of get to where you want.

I don't think 120 is because that's one placement and one place. That doesn't give you a lot of options to see what you like or what you don't like. I think the more practical it can be, the better rather than just having to – just knowing the content doesn't – that gets you the grades but I think you just need to get out there and coach because it's a people's industry. You have to learn how to talk to people and interact and you just don't get that enough unless you keep learning through actually being in the industry and the environment.

Yeah and I guess obviously this week is first week of uni and I'm back teaching this week and our whole first week is based around like health appraisals and objective data and taking blood pressure and blood and things like that which they've never done before but the best thing about the unit is you reiterate it from the start that this unit is – yes it's about the practical side of things but it's also about the soft skills and your ability to communicate because in a few of my seminars this week we were talking about how you get your jobs and things like that.

And as I'm sure some people will hate me for and have heard me say before like I haven't necessarily actually applied for a job for me and had a formal interview like a lot of the stuff we do is very similar to this to be honest like more of just a casual chat, coffee, something like that but from obviously running an internship program here and having interns at base and you being an intern yourself like a lot of the things that we want our interns to be is just good people because what we can do with good people is teach them the things we need to learn.

So is that something that RISE and your other placements instilled in you as well? Well yes I think even at RISE from this where I met Keegs who is one of the owners at base all of them I find I don't know just the people you want to be around you kind of just find each other and through RISE every single placement my kind of theory was just kind of to do the best job I possibly could to get the most out of each. That I could I wanted to make a I remember this and

I don't know if he does but from literally the day one they sit down I reckon there must have been 80 interns across the week at RISE there's quite a few which is why it's such an organised chaos. Chaos. Okay maybe. Coming from someone who runs interns for like six to eight people like 80 terrifies me so kudos to RISE. They're such a great place to learn because it's a safe environment to fail and make mistakes. But he said he doesn't he won't remember all of us he'll only remember the ones that are memorable and

that was like I said to myself like okay we'll be memorable, which is awesome because then he went on and gave me the opportunity to work with Melbourne as an intern and then also through that that's where I found base as well so a lot of good things have come out of that placement and just being trying to be a good person. And help people and do the best job I could. Great segue but our timer here says 21 minutes which is about a third of the way through the podcast so can we have a heart rate check please.

No I'm not kidding. Still highly caffeinated I'm sitting at 78. I was 78 seven minutes ago. I am now. Freaking out. It takes a while to sync. Apple watches. Don't you have an Apple watch? It's still going. 74. Hey we're relaxed. For reference we'll be doing that in another 20 minutes so we'll see where we're at. Segue though you just talked about interning at Melbourne. Yes. Talk to me about that experience and then what it kind of led you to. Because this part I kind of know because this is where I from afar got introduced

to you without really ever knowing each other this is how I knew you as Jazz I guess you could say or as your Instagram handle. Yeah well I knew the role was I had no experience in team sport as well and my first day was absolutely petrifying but I think it's good to be uncomfortable because that's how we learn. This is why we're doing the podcast I know. I know character building. But my role there was, well it would have been Kane at the time and then also Keegs was an assistant but it was an intern role.

So I was assisting in strength and conditioning and then also rehab so Sammy Batterton at the time was the head of rehab. And I kind of followed him around and asked lots of questions and you start with just being like the biggest thing I think is for an intern is just to be proactive and look around and see what can I do to make this to make someone's job easier or how can you give back because you're asking so many questions. But I reckon I love proactive people. I know but I asked a lot of questions that was probably there were days like come on Jazz.

So I think, yeah, I just observed and watched and did as much as I could, knowing that it wasn't a it wasn't a role it wasn't internship so I went in there and just learned as much as I could and try to be proactive and helpful in any way that I could not knowing that I hadn't had any sort of experience in that and at the time I was I reckon I was 19 18 19 at the time. But I was super grateful for the opportunity because I took in so much and learnt heaps think

I was there for like three nights over the season but then that's didn't end up finishing that season just because of COVID and due to numbers. But through there then Sammy was also the hair HPM at Casey, and through their post COVID got the job as the head of rehab for Casey demons. And this is where I from Instagram and knowing again Sam from afar because I don't think I've actually ever met Sam officially, but again we kind of know each other but this is how I got introduced to you from being a football world I guess or a rehab setting.

Tell me about. So I have this conversation a lot with people around working in sport and to us it's just the job and they're normal people but to other people, not necessarily put on a pedestal but it's a world that's kind of illustrious and a little like what happens in what kind of preconceived like ideas did you go in with, and then what changed quickly and what took a little bit longer to potentially change from like a mindset point of view about working in sport or working with athletes that are you know kind of put said on a pedestal above us sometimes.

Are we talking about Casey are we talking as a whole? Just in general, just in general so obviously your first experience in sport or elite sport was in football. Yeah, well of course I was super nervous because I was a new invite. Funny that. But just looking from afar they put on a pedestal because they are AFLW, VFLW athletes from like, hey Banksy, got a friend here helping us out. As his comfort dog. Yes, my comfort dog. Before going into that environment, please don't pull out the cord Banksy, this could end very badly. Wheels are coming off.

Again, me being quite, need to work on my confidence and I thought going into there, how would I benefit or how could I put any value into someone who's an athlete at such a high level thing like, yeah, I just didn't know where I would fit in or how I could stand up and make an impact in that sort of environment. But going in there, awesome people and it's not intimidating at all once you know them it's a really fun environment, environment to be around. And, yeah, just getting over that and learning that they're normal, everyone's normal people and they're good people and we're all there for the same goal to help us and try and achieve something as well.

No, I was muted. You were muted. I was taking some good quality sip of water. It's clean, it's cold and that's what I call high quality A2O. Don't you want to see it? Yeah, I've seen it. Okay, cool. Just checking. Lucky we'd be mad if I didn't use one of your special buttons. Yeah, fair. That's basically why we've got this whole unit so we can push buttons. Alright, so now we're at Casey. We're in the jazz lifetime and we're at Casey. What was your kind of main role or your day to day? What did it look like across when you started versus what you finished?

We'll start with Casey and then we'll shift on to what was next but start with Casey. One, what did you love about working at Casey? I guess your first role in sport I guess you could say and what changed across your time? So obviously coming from a personal experience, what I do now is very different than what I previously did but mainly because I started in a different area. So is that the same that happened for you or is it kind of very fluid in how it just kind of moved? Yeah, well, I guess I started not having a role when I was at Melbourne and then moving into having full responsibility over all of the rehab group.

I was pretty much thrown in the deep end. So single swim, not having done anything before Sam was like, yep, here you go. These are your girls, off you go. So you just have to figure it out. And I did, I guess in the end. I remember the first day and he's given me a whole list of all these girls coming in at the time with a massive list and he's like, yeah, you're doing all those programs for them, like off you go. And again, nervous and had no idea at the time what I was

doing but he just figured it out once you, just a lot of hard work but had to just, again, this was over coming off the back of COVID and then we also had COVID during the year as well. So a lot of time to reflect on and improve. But I guess... What did you reflect on? I think just, yeah, simplifying the processes and trying to, I was doing way too much, like way more work than what I needed to be doing at the time. And again, still always reflect on how we can make it better and systemize and structured and how to do it better.

And then again, I was at Casey in charge of all of the rehab girls in terms of their strength and conditioning, return to play. We didn't do too much testing there but again, was still in charge of all of the girls long term, short term, modifications. And then I was again, coaching in the gym floor as well, a little bit. So it was Sammy and me to start off with and then Kat as well, he came along. What was your biggest challenge to start with? And is it still a challenge or what strategies did you employ to overcome that?

The biggest challenge was probably just making sure that I was prepared in the sense of we never knew how many girls we were going to get or how many... If there was going to be new rehabbers on the day and again, I didn't know any of them when I first started because I actually had spent maybe one session at Casey before starting as full time. So again, having to build the respect and make an impact when I was in that environment. Again, when I first started extremely nervous because I didn't know any of the girls and I really didn't know too many of the staff members, only a few from Melbourne, which is good.

There was quite a bit of crossover, which was nice to see. Yeah, Melbourne do that quite well from all the boards. They do do it really well. It felt like they were two different, not two different clubs, that it was the same club as quite frequently you get the same staff members around, which is really nice. But I think, yeah, at the very start was just knowing that the biggest thing is just to make sure you're building the relationships with them. And that's the biggest thing is earning the trust of the players and everything becomes a lot easier once you have that.

Apart from just being a good person, because we all know you're a great person, when you talk about earning trust and just being in a foreign environment with foreign people and trying to make an impression, what do you take into those situations? Because we all go about it very differently and we all have different hats for different environments. But specifically for you, what things do you want to like to do or think work best for you? Well, first of all, it's always just that initial introduction of just going up, introducing yourself, having a conversation. But I think it's the biggest thing is consistency, showing up and making an effort in terms of that environment.

I think it's the biggest thing. And if you continuously do, I think your actions speak way louder than words. So if you continuously show up and do the additional things and make sure that you're a part of that team, I think that's the biggest thing that you can constantly do. I think it's your actions speak way louder than words than anything you could do. Having a nice smile always helps too. Yeah, that too. You need someone funny to make you smile. Yeah, I got it. So obviously at KC now, still at base, yes? Yes. Still doing stuff with Roville?

No, I wasn't at Roville. I don't think I was at Roville at the time. I was at Roville for two years. I did my internship there. My internship was meant to last 80 hours, but I ended up staying there two years. But that's okay. My internship was not official and I'm still here, so you can't actually get rid of me. True. So talk about schools and we're going to shift a little bit away from sport and then we can come back to the current, which obviously anyone that doesn't know, you're our rehab coordinator at St Kilda for the AFLW.

We're going to come back to that and we're going to do that a little bit towards the end. But talk about school programs and working with junior athletes. A lovely question from Allie Miles this morning, who is a sports dietitian who is currently setting up her own business, especially fueling for junior athletes and in particular young women in sport. What about working in a school fulfills you or what do you enjoy about working in a school? Because sometimes schools can be quite challenging to work in, especially kids in early mornings and being forced there by parents.

But with you in the school programs and the stuff you do at base now still, what fulfills you about that and what do you enjoy about that? Like we were talking about earlier, I think that age group and demographic especially, well, I can relate to the female athletes as well a little bit more because I've been in that experience and had to overcome certain hurdles and barriers when I was that age. So I think, again, going back to it, being able to be a role model for the young girls and just is what fulfills me because I know that some of the things that I hear and they say and it's like the social media, just good quality information.

They need the good quality information to kind of blur out some of the things that they're hearing on the social media side of things. What's one of the biggest gripes when it comes to that? What's something that drives you insane? So for me, we're talking many bands of good activation. So what about that kind of environment and social media and things like that that young people may see? What's one thing that if we could, we'd get rid of it? What wouldn't happen but just the comparison between the peers that happens and the comments that they say about themselves and the negative self-talk is horrible.

I just yell at them when I hear it. I don't yell at them. Self-destructive behaviour. Yes, self-destructive behaviour is a massive one that I see, which is less than what it was in that environment in the group that I see of. I guess I only see the girls maybe three times a week. But I see so much benefit in terms of what they are doing towards and having a role model who kind of blurs out some of what they see on the social media side of things. With working with young girls as well, what kind of changes do you see?

So obviously we will see physical changes and social changes, mental changes, things like that. But what do you think is the biggest benefit of being involved in one of those environments with potentially one with a very good role model, but two just being exposed through a way of thinking that's not destructive, I guess? Just the confidence. I think the confidence is huge in terms of going off performance and being the best version of themselves that they can be rather than comparing themselves to what they see on social media, what they see and perceived social norms of what they have to live up to.

Because obviously we're never going to change it. No. And it's probably only going to get worse, but having better role models and better people in those environments I guess is kind of what I'm getting at. Yeah. We won't be able to try to eliminate it all together, but if they're getting a good role model who's telling who is there to kind of work. I'm trying to find the words. I love it. I love it. Keep brain dumping. I know brain dumping is happening right now, but I don't even know if this is making sense. Because it is complicated.

Sometimes it doesn't have to make sense. Because it is a complicated area. We don't need all the answers either. No. But from some of the comments that they've even told me or shared with me regarding, because some of them to begin with were completely, I'm not lifting that weight. I'm not doing that. I don't want to look strong. I don't want to look like... I've had girls come up to me during the gym and say, "Do my legs look okay?" or "Will this make my legs get bigger?" or things like that. And I'm like, "Well, yeah, maybe.

But you're there to be. What about being the best version of yourself and how you can grow and develop in this sense?" And slowly, again, I'll never know if it is making an impact, but based on the changes that I've seen in their attitude and over time, I get to see them from year seven all the way to year ten, which is pretty awesome. Again, get to see them from being really little year sevens to again... Tadpoles. Yeah, tadpoles. So then being in year ten, going through the program is what I love so that I can be there through whatever they need, whatever it is regarding.

It's more than just the training side of things. It's having someone there to support them during that time. As we get to talk to them as well and we run seminars for them and talk through whatever they need, I think there's value in that because, again, social media is everywhere. That is their maiden, where they see and compare. So if we can just kind of microdose in some better quality information, I'll never know the impact it makes, but hopefully it does. Coming from experience, I feel like you'll be making an impact. I hope so. I think you are.

I think you're doing a good job. What's, I guess, if we shift kind of the conversation more around base and back to a high performance strength and conditioning based chat, I guess you could say. Do you run the internship at base? I run it with Keegs. So Keegs is our, he's the, so Lauren is a physio and Keegan is an exercise physio. So they work together, but Keegan... Physio or physiologist? Physiologist. Physiologist. Exercise physiologist. Sorry. No, no, no. I was just, I'm getting my names and my people and my tiers. But they're both co-owners of base.

So Keegan and myself, we run the internship program there. We just ran our first one just this term. What's that look like? Again, it's a very big work in progress and we're about to have the reflection on how the first one did. Oh, here's a good place to start. We're about to reflect this coming week on where we need to improve that as well. But again, I think it's a good way to keep yourself accountable over because they ask you questions. Well, I'll just tell them if I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer, but I think it's a good way to reflect on yourself as well, which is what I like about it.

Have you noticed, and I know you haven't run internships previously at base. I think this was the first one, but having done an internship yourself, have you noticed a difference in, I don't know, can we call it behaviour? I guess of interns pre COVID versus post COVID and kind of maybe can you kind of divulge what the impact may have potentially had kind of just being locked up for two and a half years and from an industry that's quite practical and the way we learn is very hands on from uni and a lot of the stuff we do is actually prac based.

What kind of the differences do you see between pre COVID and post COVID because that's a real thing that for graduates, especially like that's something that has affected them without really knowing that it affected them. Yeah, I was having this conversation yesterday with Lauren. Again, we're in the midst of going over how we can improve it for next time. I've just found that having those two years off where we really had no structure, we didn't have any structure. We didn't have to do anything. We were locked inside. We didn't have to do anything. We could get away with sitting on the couch all day.

Did you study during COVID? Yes. Yeah, I studied. First year masters? Last year. Last year of sports science. Okay. So I mean, perfect timing. I just got to smash out three units and finish off. I keep thinking you're like 27, 28, you know, you're just an old soul. Forget your little baby. Yes, I was studying during that time. I found that, again, this is the first one that we had, but I found when I was doing my placements, there was a lot of proactive behaviors and I found that we potentially, they are now a little bit more just want to be told what to do, rather than just being able to go, Oh, hey, I see that job.

All right, I'm going to go do it and make work. There's always something that could be done, whether it's talking to someone or just rather than just standing around because you can absolutely do your placements and your internships by just being there. But there's definitely a difference between like making an impact and just being there because there's like I said, there's a lot of interns at RISE and you can just you can get your hours absolutely by just sitting there and doing nothing or you can actually be there and be present in the moment and get a lot out of that environment.

Yeah, and I guess it comes back to that conversation of just be a good person, we'll teach you what we need to teach you. Because like, again, coming back to teaching at uni now, there's 500 students in the unit that I'm currently teaching. Yeah. Realistically, let's say 20% of those actually finished the degree. Because we know there's a lot of dropout and change and sports science is kind of a bridging course for some people to other things, which is absolutely fine and fantastic. What separates someone from not necessarily being a good person, but from an education point of view and an experience point of view in your eyes or in your mind?

What separates them from being or separates them from the other group, I guess you could say? What's them apart from others? Are you saying the ones that? I don't know if I'm understanding your question. Let's go with two groups of people, proactive and non proactive. What separates them? Besides just, hey, acting on things that they say and being proactive, but from a higher ability point of view, I guess is where I'm coming from. What makes them more attractive from a business point of view to go, hey, we might want to offer you guys a job? Yeah, I think it's making work when work isn't there.

I think it's doing the little things really well as well. Just rocking up on time, doing the little things and always doing things on time makes a massive difference. But you see the difference between, you can tell the ones that are working and walking around and are constantly trying to do things. And from a proactive perspective, they don't have to be following you around and doing things. They are doing it on their own and going off. And I found that that's probably the biggest thing is there's, again, don't know where my words are coming from, but I was on a tangent and then I've lost it.

I was in. You had me. Probably the biggest difference would have to be, I still don't know where I'm going on this. I've lost it. From a difference of, let's say, potentially some of the people that you did your internships with compared to some interns that you're seeing now or the difference between those guys or people. Because for me personally, I noticed a big difference. Just from exposure, I guess you could call it. Or interactions. Because as we said before and what we started with, our industry is very people based. It's not sets and wraps and numbers.

No one really gives a shit about cluster sets or how many Olympic lift variations you know. It's about your ability to coach, communicate and interact and connect, I guess. Again, I see a massive difference in just doing the additional work and doing it on time and being present in the moment. There's just a massive difference between standing there and actually interacting with people. Looking like you're wanting to be there. Yeah, looking like you're wanting to be there. Sometimes there's people just standing in the corner and not really. Which again, I understand, if you're new in the environment it's intimidating but it's always that initial moment of just go up and introduce yourself and add value to someone.

Whoever, if it's in a coaching sense, how can you add value in that situation and how can you make it better. Whenever I was in an internship my thought was how can I make it so that it would be inconvenient for me not to be there. That was kind of my. I think that sort of mentality potentially has shifted a little bit in terms of people wanting to be told what to do. I see that's the biggest difference in potentially some of the interns that I've seen. Again, doing the little things right but also how can you make value in that space and environment.

Some people just stand there. Again, some people don't know what they want to be doing, that's okay. Even if you don't know what you're going to be doing in that situation. Again, when I was on placement it's not necessarily the environment that I wanted to be in and again, completing the placement is not the environment that I want to work in but I still try to do the best job that I could in that environment because you're going to learn in every single place that you can do. And on learning, I love Segways. Just flowing on from each other.

Learning, talk to me about your masters. So nearly done. Two placements left. Two placements. Any units or just the placements? No, no, no. I've got units. So I'm doing one at the moment. One of them is my placement unit but I've done it and I just have to submit some assignments for that. Trust the t's and dot the i's. Yeah, cool. And then I'll do a placement over T3 and then I've got one more semester after that with only a couple. Most of it's placement based. I've done all the heavy, the bigger units and I did it part time so I could work.

But yeah, the ones when I first started were pretty content heavy. Let's just say I need to go over that and revise for when it all comes back together when I have to do my OSCE which is in under a year now. For those that don't know, what's an OSCE? It's pretty much like an initial assessment. You have to go through and do a subjective, an objective and then also exercise prescription based on the case study that you get given. What case study do you want? Mask. Mask, yes. What do you really not want? Don't give me cardio.

Cut, really? I don't understand the ECGs. Yeah, okay. I don't want to, that scares me. Okay, fair enough. That genuinely scares me. I see squiggly lines and I go, what? Master's lectures/demonstrators, if you're listening, none of that please. Deal? Deal. What made you go EP side? Because obviously with sports science there are so many options when you finish your undergrad and that's very much a bridging to something else. It's not really the end point, especially nowadays. Most higher is a medium to high level one, a Master's degree of some sort. So what made you choose EP?

It would have been through meeting Keegan and kind of what I saw what he did working with different clinical populations but then also being in the strength and conditioning industry. Because at the time he was the head strength coach at Melbourne as well as working as an EP at base and that kind of balance between multiple different environments seemed really black. Well that would work for me because, again, I don't see myself working a 9 to 5 at the same place. That personally just isn't... It would be nice sometimes though. I know, but it's... No, I know what you mean.

I know what you mean. Yeah, I know. I get you. I get you. But when I first started as just the assistant at Melbourne, I didn't know what an EP was. I had no idea. No, I don't think I really know what an EP was when I started it and even finished my degree. Well, yeah. But it would have been... I mean, it's an up and coming industry. I still get people going, "What is it?" But I just say I'm a physio that does exercise. That's what I say and it makes sense to people. So we go with it.

Pretty much. I like it. But yeah, just being able to work with lots of different... I love working with athletes but I also love making impact in other environments as well. So I work with some NDIS patients as well, which is the side that I really enjoyed at the placement is some people have been through a lot of trauma and heart and being able to make it... Did you just swear? No. Did you say shit? No, I didn't. I didn't say that. Just, well, for reference, the first time last week after placement I nearly fell over.

I did not. Ask my brothers. I swear all the time. Your mother would be ashamed. No, she wouldn't. My mum swears too, especially when she's watching Richmond. Yes. Yeah, well, that's honest. You heard her on the phone the other day. I did. I did. And my family is also Richmond's border so I can see how they turn. Yes. No, she's very funny. Again, I've lost... I can't even remember what we were talking about. Memory of a goldfish. That's fine. We'll move on then. Okay. Question from the gallery. Jamie Howlett, fellow AP student. She would love to know what you're going to do post-study.

What career options are you thinking about? Because you don't necessarily need to know black and white. Yes. What are you thinking about? Well, I guess we go with the population that I want to work in is still within sports, rehab, women's health and I also just love coaching so I want to make sure that that's a part of it as well. Cool. Yeah. Easy. Easy. I wasn't terrified. I was just terrified about those questions. Still is because I've still got some coming. Moving on. Again, it's another segue. So into sports rehab. Talk to me about your role at Saints now.

One, how it started and what your kind of week to week looks like and we're currently week five of preseason. Week five. Yeah. Well, I reckon I started... Was it a year ago? What was the... Was the 20... Yeah, it'd have to be a year ago. A year ago now. Did you start a little bit later, did you? No, because I only saw... Well, I saw the advertisement on... Keegan showed me the advertisement on LinkedIn and then I applied. That was when Casey season had finished. I reckon Casey season finished like around June, July. Yeah, it must have.

And then I saw the advertisement in July and then I just applied for it, not thinking anything would happen. I'll just see. We'll see what happens. Then a couple of weeks later, got an email and then, yeah, again, had an interview and then I started a little bit later as I didn't find out until a few weeks after. Talk to me about your interview. I suck at interviews. I think I absolutely bombed it. I think you're doing okay today. I think I bombed it. I was so nervous. Shocked me. Okay. That was the third time I've said that.

I know. I'm walking straight into these. Yeah, you are. We talked about interviews. How do you approach interviews? How many interviews have you had for jobs? Because, again, I'm very... One. Yeah, but I've never done one, so... Literally, that was my first interview, which is why I had no idea what to expect. It was short and sweet, but again, I think I bombed it because then I went out and was like, "Oh, I wish I said this." But in terms of how I prepared for it, I prepared with kegs. I sat down and he said potentially what questions might be said or...

Did Ben ask any of those questions? No. Damn it. I know. Come on, Ben. He better. He better. But I just kind of go in there trying to make sure that... I think, again, if you're the right person for the fit, I think that's where it goes because... Well, again, I wasn't the one selecting. He was. But if I was... Even for our intern process, we're looking for the right person for the job, so I just try and show them that I will do... Even if I didn't have a lot of... I had one or two years experience in it a little bit, but I think it's making sure you're the right person for the job.

And if I wasn't, then I wouldn't have got it, but just making sure to show that I was going to be a hard worker and what kind of coach I was. That was the biggest thing that I wanted to get across. Yeah. Because a lot of people will end the day with a little, especially potentially some podcasts and be from a sports science background and have to apply for jobs in sport and high level sport. What was the most terrifying part about going for a job in sport like that? I think it's the perception of just the...

Well, again, it is like there's very few females in it. And again, working with... That's a great segue into my next question. Thanks, Jazz. Walk right into it. I love it. So good. Again, it's just intimidating. Some of the comments and questions I think that I've had previously and not knowing if that was going to be the case here... I thought you said previously. Previously? No, you too. I thought I was in trouble then. You're not in trouble. No way. Haven't got any of that here. But have previously, again, I'm on the younger side of and haven't had, again, as much experience.

Maybe four or five years compared to someone who's had 10, 11, 12 at multiple clubs going into... Quality, not quantity. I don't believe in years. Okay. But some people potentially do. And I've known if that was the case here, how was I? That's probably the biggest, most intimidating thing is there's not a lot of us. Not a lot of us around. So I wasn't sure how I was going to fit into the environment or if I was going to be the right fit at all. What's the most confronting part about being a female working in sport?

Because it is a little terrifying and you are low in numbers and it sucks and I hate it. So we're bucking that trend. But what is the most terrifying part? Because coming from a male who's walking, working in sport, a lot of the time we just don't get that. We think we understand it. We say we understand. But we do. We don't. We have an experience. So for you and maybe some of your experiences, like what of being confronting or learning moments ago, I'm better than that kind of thing. I just think it's sometimes the

expectation that I'm like there as an intern or I'm there and I don't have a role or I think it's even if they're not realising they're doing it, sometimes the comments or the looks like I get people like, what the heck are you doing here? But that doesn't help at all in the slightest because that's going through our head the whole time is going that we're on the minority. We don't belong here. We don't know what we're doing. We're not super musty or big. Hey, hey, you're strong. Don't cut yourself short. You're strong. But again, that's going through our head.

So when somebody comes up and tells and has happened before, like people going, are you an intern? That question drives me out the wall. Yeah. I'm like, no, but especially when they're asked if they went up to a male, they would ask, what is your role? And then being like, I think that's probably the thing doesn't help working again. Have not had that from either your book then or at KC or Melbourne. And we would go into bat for you too. I know. Absolutely. We'd beat someone up for that. I know. I know. On the other hand, what's the best thing about being a female that works in sport and doesn't necessarily have to be female sport, but sorry.

What's the best part about being a female that works in sport? That it's getting more common and more popular that we're going to be around and being those kind of first people to make a difference and be setting role models for other female coaches that want to come up into those roles as well. I think is exciting. Love it. What's something you're excited about working in sport? Well, for me, I love working in the rehab space because especially long term injuries that they suck. I love being a part of helping get them back on track. That's probably the most exciting thing.

The problem solving and the being there for someone who's thinks that it's especially when they first start doing the injury, being able to be there with them alongside for a long time and get them from not being able to walk to then run. Play is the best thing. Your patience is way outweighed by mine. Very soft and kind. Sometimes maybe not so much on this side. Talk to me about saints. So we spoke about how you got the job. What did it start as? And how did you kind of start? Because I know there was a transition period because obviously rehab is fluid for some people.

You talked about long term rehab just before. How did the role kind of start and what has it evolved to now? And maybe what some different tasks or some things you do now that you didn't start with at least? Yeah, I think, well, again, when you, you didn't have a rehab coordinator before. Well, you were and Ben were. So we have one first year. And then with through the COVID year, we didn't. We kind of half halfed it. He would plan it, I would implement it. And then you. We upgraded, of course. Well, I think it started more as having to see where that position fit in because you didn't have one before.

So earning the trust again from physios to be the person where they would actually come to with that information to then do the programming, which again, the high performance manager Ben is in charge as well. But just having, he's got so many other things that he needs to be doing. There's a rehab person there for a reason. So having just being able to take more of a responsibility over the girls and again, just being more proactive in terms of, okay, who's who's on my list at the moment? Where are they at? What are they currently doing?

Are they modified training? Are they more Ben side of things and just making sure that I'm checking in to make sure every single thinking beforehand and planning in advance, I think I've gotten better at. I think you're doing a good job. I think you do when you bring your laptop and your charger. Hey, you're the one that left your laptop at Virtus and then went to coach. I haven't done that yet. I think we were going to talk about that today. I tried to not walk myself into that one. I'm pretty sure I shot myself in the foot.

Yeah, you did. For reference, I really needed my laptop to do programs. I would have let you mine. I left it at Virtus, which is 45 minutes away from where I've been, where we trained and had to come all the way back at 10 o'clock at night. Well, I would have let you mine, but. My theory was I'd been spending too much time with Jazz and some of her had rubbed off on me. But anyway, I'm not going to go down on time. Shut up. That was on you. Rehab at the moment. So week five pre-season, week to week.

What are we currently looking at for you? What do you do night to night? So we're obviously going to training tonight. What's a day look like for rehab? Well, the girls. Are you talking about for me or for the girls? No, for you. So what are the things that you need to do on a day of training or to plan for a week ahead? Yeah, well, I normally try and do all their strength programs. Well, I'll we do all of our strength programming on like a Google Doc. So I never plan more than like a week or two, maybe in advance, maybe for the longer term ones.

But it's mainly things change on the fly. So having to just be prepared and have a few kind of options where we wanted to go. But in terms of the strength and conditioning, sorry, the strength side of things that'll be done beforehand on training. I might get there a couple of hours earlier and get to the club to do that. But my role wouldn't start. I'm on field at the start for all the girls that are running in some capacity, in some shape. Bless you, Lucky. I think that constitutes our pay rise. I think so.

Lucky promised us that he wouldn't say anything while being in the room and that if he did, I said that you have to give us a pay rise. So you headed here first. Fifty eight minutes into the podcast. Jazz and Mitch get the raise. Good job. Well, we're talking about a night of training. What are you doing? So you're currently up to on field and preparing for that. I've got you. Don't worry. Thank you. So, yeah, I have to fill out our rehab sheet so we know that they're all documented and who's doing what or whereabouts.

But, yeah, so that's pretty much where I start is on field. And then that goes for however long. Well, at the moment, it's T's program. However long T's out there for. And a few of the other girls. Which is good because we don't have too many. Exactly. We don't have too many at the moment, which is great. Touching wood. Or your head. And then, yeah, back into the gym, depending on what they're doing after that is pretty much how it's structured. Trying to where I can, I get them involved in training or some capacity with whatever they can do, they're doing.

But for the most part, if they're modified, then just keeping following with that structure where need be. And then they're in drills or anything like that. Ben helps because my footy brain is zero. Footy skills are getting better, though. We're learning how to bounce the ball this week. You're actually a good teacher, though, to be fair. Well, that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. I'm a coach. I hope that helps. I mean, bouncing on concrete is easier than grass, though. We did try and bounce the football like a basketball for a few tries, but we got the hang of it.

Yeah, we got the hang of it. The kicking is getting somewhat decent. It is. It's getting good. Sometimes. The first few are a bit. It just means the rehabbers have to run a little bit further. Yeah, T's currently doing extra Ks and agility before she's been cleared. But that's fine. Yeah, so that's pretty much how it will go on a night. And then depending on when we're doing strength, I'll help you set up. Or if we need to make any further modifications. Do we talk about what happened in the cones the other night, or? Shut up.

Okay, that's enough. Jazz set the cones up in the wrong way. That's okay. Yeah, but it was dark. Backwards. I know. It was so stupid. What? Sorry, Ben. Yeah, I wasn't even there. Long term or in the next few years, what does working in sport, what do you want it to look like? Do you still want to be rehab coordinated? Do you have aspirations to be a football manager or a high performance manager? I know you're still quite young and still studying and doing a lot of those things, but I thought I'd throw that one on you too.

I honestly don't know. All I know is I want to be in a sporting environment. I enjoy working with like minded people. And I would love for it to be a little bit more of a realistic job where it could be something part time. At the moment I understand, like in women's sport especially, it's not something that can be a part time thing. It's definitely you have to do your work and then go there afterwards. Throughout the year, yeah, that would be awesome if it could be more consistent on there and being with the rehabbers all year round rather than not having it.

Yeah, so that would be awesome if it could grow into that as I love the female athlete environment. Again, I have no idea what I want it to look like, but all I know is I want it to be in there. I love the rehab side of things as well, but also know that I want to learn more about how you do things. And also, Ben, I think it's really fascinating and interesting. And from where I started to where I am now is a massive difference. Yeah, I wouldn't have even thought of that. I would be interested in doing anything other than rehab, but we'll just see what happens.

Cool. I love it. Now, I'm going to buy your phone because my phone is recording. So we have some questions from the gallery to get to. But while I log into Instagram. Did your phone die? No, no, it's recording. We have video modality. Do you need to log into your phone? I need to log into my Instagram. But while we're doing that, we are just ticked over now, so we're about to wrap up. I need a heart rate check. Where's it gone? It's going to take a minute to look. Okay, I'm going to take a minute to log in.

Seventy-two. Seventy-two. We are cruising and I'm logged in. Good diving. And I know what the first question I'm going to be is asked, but I need to work out the way that my mother phrased this question based on just talking about working at Virtus and working at Sains. I don't think we actually touched on the side. How did you get a job at Virtus? You literally mentioned, what did you say? It would have been one night after Sains. You said you were looking for another, you said you were looking for a female coach. Yeah, we said we were looking for a female coach because us three idiots needed some living out.

I'll say it. You don't have to agree. I'll cover for you. And then I think it would have been like a week later, I just kind of said, oh, what does the job kind of look like? And it was just kind of went from there. Not semially jokingly. I did mean it when I said, I was like, hey, I can get, you know, if you want a job, we can't sort you out one. And then like in typical jazz fashion, like a week later, it was like, hey, about that job. And two weeks later, you gave everyone COVID.

I mean, you got a job. Well, I mean, I gave lucky COVID. That was so bad. On Christmas Eve. That was a good introduction to Virtus and being a coach. That's what you remember it as. All right. The question from my mother. Is Mitch a pain to work with? Well, when you throw things at me, it was a couple of times, maybe twice. Like a coin, you know, dumbbells. Wait, is the question, is Mitch, wait, what is the question? The question is, is Mitch a pain to work with? But she didn't grammatically ask it with a question mark.

So that's what we're going with. Fair enough. No. You're allowed to say yes. Because I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you. When you've had three hours sleep, maybe. A question from current intern, Nat Carratt. How do you manage study and having multiple jobs as a very busy lady? Well, we just make it work, I guess. It's at the moment doing the study on top of the work, which is why I did part time study to make sure that I was doing what I love to do, which is working in the environment. And

I didn't want to have to halt work for study, as I know that it is important, but also you have to be in that environment. And I didn't want to lose the positions that I had as I see myself doing that in the long term. So I didn't want to say, oh, no, I can't do this because I'm doing full time study, which again, I wouldn't want to be doing. I think my just doing I would have lost a lot of, again, being a naturally quiet person. I need to make sure I'm practising certain things. I have a follow up question.

I muted myself again. You muted yourself again. I just wanted a sip of water. I have a follow up question from that. What are the things you choose to sacrifice for study and for work purposes? Sleep. What are some jazz activities that jazz loves to do? I love anything like outdoors and travelling and I love playing sport and I'd be playing sport a little bit more and being able to spend time with my friends and my family a little bit more, which again, when I'm peak uni and placements, that doesn't happen, which is at the moment.

Ideally, I'd be able to play sport, whatever that looks like consistently throughout with my friends and whatnot. But at the moment, I'm not as I'm in season with saints and I'm there. But again, that's kind of the sacrifice that I made to be able to do it. Are you okay with those sacrifices or you struggle with a little bit? I miss playing sport as much as I did. And I do wish that I was still consistent with I wouldn't say I regret it because I absolutely love working in the sporting industry, but it's something that I wish that I had extra time for to be able to still be in that competitive sporting environment because I love it.

Cool. Question from David Dobson. Do you know David? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's asked a couple of questions. He asked one on his personal, one on his coaching server. What can male coaches do to support the growth of other female coaches? And I love this one. That's a good question. Um, I think it's, I think you're just treating us the same, like you're not even having, sometimes it's a, I find this yes or no. I'm going to, I'm going to like, because I don't feel like I want to treat you the same way because I don't want to make it a boys environment, if that makes sense.

I don't know if that's just me being like more softer personality wise. Cause like originally I thought, I do give you enough shit as a same amount of shit like you've been, but I don't want to treat it like boys environment. No, no, no. I know what you mean. Because I think sometimes that can happen as a male coach working with other female coaches. Like that does happen. Yeah. It, it, especially when we're on the minority, it sometimes feels like I'm walking into your environment and it's, which again hasn't happened when I've been on saints. But, um, just say that in the more nervous I'm getting.

It hasn't because I think that it's an environment that wants to support the growth in that, in that space. And, um, it is. So what was the question? I've lost it. What can male coaches do to support the growth of other female coaches? I think just being okay with the fact that it's not always like, again, I think that I'm more of a, again, softer, compassionate. Like that's not, you know, but I think in terms of that, just being open to that, there's going to be different personalities. And, um, different, yeah, different behaviours in that

it's okay if they're not look like, again, being young, shorter and things like it's just, just a different and again, still kind of trying to map it out myself in how they get, how it can be different. Just being open to the fact of that, if someone's newer in like where in the minority of that, just being okay with that, we're going to, it's going to start happening and just hiring the right person for the job rather than somebody that might look like they're the best person for the job. It's who's actually doing it. See, that wasn't too hard.

I know, I just struggle with my work sometimes. I love it. Let's go three more. There's a few questions here. What are you most proud of? Luck and wealth by the way. Yeah, fair enough. Of course it is. Basic bitch. Who am I most proud of or what am I most proud of? I think the many times that I've thrown myself in the deep end to be able to do now what it is that I love. I think I had to, there's been multiple times where I've been super nervous and anxious about different environments that I had to do.

Ah, yes. Yeah. But I knew it was going to be in the long run the best option because they're often the most rewarding things. I love this question. I'm going to slightly change this from Kate Schuler. Question is how the hand warmers going. My leading question to this is how many packets of hand warmers are in your pantry right now? That's not my fault. That's my mom's fault. No, no, no. Answer the question. How many packets of hand warmers are in your pantry? Like 20? I think that's not enough. I think there's a few more.

Mom saw a special and she went out and bought a massive box because she was looking at the weather and was like, Oh, that's just my mom for you. She's a funny lady. We do a winter sport now. It was adapting to the winter nights, training outside and has hand warmers. Yeah, but the hand warmers are great and when you need them, absolutely. But he gives me shit for doing them every single time. But when she's cold, it's fine. Why are you so cool? I'm not. You are. You're a pretty cool cat. You know who asked that question, didn't you?

No. Catherine. Oh, okay. Okay. Thanks, cat. But I'm going to just agree that you're pretty cool. And then lastly, it's not a question, but it's a statement. But I left this one to last on purpose. You look nervous. I am nervous. What is it? Hannah priest. She says, I don't have a question, but I'd just like to let her know that she's a flippin legend. And you know what? I agree with that. And lots of other people agree with that. And on that note, we're going to finish up. Thank you very much. Thank you for listening.

Thank you for being here. Jazz. How painful out of 10 was that? Not as bad as what I thought it was going to be. That's what we like to hear. Good job. Uh, we're going to wrap this one up. Uh, thanks just for coming on. Thanks everyone for listening. We are, I don't know. I don't know who's on next week. I don't know either. What? Stay tuned. You're in charge. Adios.