S1E52 · Happy Birthday Virtus Podcast: Squadcast

hey superstars happy happy podcast day fuck off Siri so that just happened I don't really want to edit that out that was actually pretty funny so so here's the deal today's a bit of a today's a bit of a special day it's a it's been a long time coming it's been the it's been the plan or the goal over the last 12 months for those of you who don't know if you don't you probably need to listen to a few podcasts but if you do know last about 12 months ago I set myself a goal

this was a goal that for me felt a long way away it felt like it didn't seem like it was unachievable but I knew it would take me to the edge and take me probably outside my comfort zone at times and it's something that certainly did this was a goal that both scared and excited me a goal that when achieved I knew would be something that would be I'd be able to look back on and know that I'd be super proud of it and know that know that it would have enriched my life significantly throughout

the time today is that magnificent day when I get to achieve that goal each week for the last 52 weeks I've released an episode of this here podcast and it feels pretty good it feels very very nice to be able to say that I achieved something I set out to I think I have a heap of people to thank and I'm not going to go through each one but if you do a little scroll down your podcast list all of those amazing people that I've been able to speak to over the last 52 weeks have

all contributed to this enjoyable experience it's definitely something that has made my life better and I hope it's made your life better as listeners it's it's funny the podcast kind of started out as a way to help other people I figured that if we could get some cool people together to be able to share their experiences their wins their losses their dreams and hopes and triumphs and all that kind of stuff that those who listened might be able to gain a little bit of inspiration from it like I had listening to a lot of podcasts

over the last couple of years but for me it came it became much more than that it became a weekly self development tool for myself both personally and professionally it kind of became an avenue for me to meet new people to connect and to lean on amazing people around me and amazing people that weren't around me that I got to I was introduced to or I'd met through people who I interviewed or through people I knew who knew other cool people and it's something that now looking back 12 months on it's definitely challenged and and

definitely changed some of my beliefs it's brought new people into my life some of whom I'm lucky enough to speak to and talk to and lean on every day selfishly I guess I can look at it and think it's probably the best one of the best things I've ever done for me even though I initially initially started out doing it for unselfish reasons it's on the weeks where I struggled to find time to get a guest on or struggled to find time to upload the podcast it was definitely that selfishness of wanting to achieve the

goal and wanting to challenge myself and wanting to push myself like probably got the episodes up and I think that being selfish is really important at times it allows you to grow and in turn when when you grow you you have more of yourself to give to others which I think is pretty important and I guess reflecting back now 52 weeks on the hardest part of the whole experience was probably getting started I it was last last Queen's birthday I think just for the football was about start and I was sitting in the office debating

on how I should start and when I should start or if I should start and it was something that I've been telling myself to do for ages and I kind of just went now stuff it plug the headphones in and recorded a 13-minute rabble that gave no value of anything to anyone but I'm pretty proud to say that over the last 52 weeks I've kind of learned how to have a conversation I hope you guys can tell me that if I have on if I haven't but I think that positive pressure of putting the episode

up and saying that I was going to record 52 episodes before I didn't booked anyone in for episode one which was silly but we got it done that positive pressures kind of allowed me to or for me forced me to make time each week to find a guest sit down record edit upload the episode that would add value to the people who were listening and to the people who were involved in the conversation so I guess the it's something that looking back now it seems like for me and it is it seems like a big

big goal but at the end of the day the power came from being able to break it down into week by week and episode by episode and guest by guest and it turns out that it's a pretty simple process to just focus on one thing tick it off and then move on to the next thing and I think that ability to just do that has turned something that I doubted for months before I actually started doing it to something that now I cherish being able to do this do this each week and being able to

sit down and talk absolute rubbish for an extended period of time with people that I love so now the goal has been achieved nothing much changes I will reassess I will recalibrate and I've decided to move the goalposts a little further away 52 sounds cool it was a well is that many weeks in a year it's good number that was my football number as well which I just realized but I think a hundred sounds better so my goals changed a little bit I'm gonna hit 100 episodes and then see what happens so over the next

48 weeks my plan is to keep finding new cool people to interview but one of the things I'm going to do is to going to dive into some topics with some awesome people I've had like guys and girls on a few times feel like Simon Cooper the great man Tommy Turlak and and policy have been on a few times so I think it's it's a good way to change tact a little bit and dive deeply into some issues or topics that might be might be a part of our general conversation day to day so that's

the plan 100 podcast sounds pretty good but for now we have episode 52 coming up it's called the birthday episode happy birthday to the podcast the plan for tonight tonight's episode I'm going to sit at a table with a handful of my favorite people in the world and we are going to talk about well I don't actually know we might talk about achievement we might talk about business who might talk about life we might talk about ducks I don't know could be anything which is kind of exciting so I hope you enjoy the rabble that

is come thank you to every single one of you guys who have listened to the podcast over the last 52 weeks it's been an awesome ride so far and I guess the cool thing is is we're just getting started so that's it enjoy my personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day I believe everyone especially normal people have a story to tell the vertice podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey experiences of each of our guests I have not edited one

podcast except for you know no that's why it's not the fact that you've made it to 52 projects I have yeah yeah but like yeah business is hard you're about to learn what being title money's like frugal frugal yeah yeah what happened today mate I put an offer in on the house but no what happened mate fill every time every time moo decides that we are talking rubbish he will press the bell he can be overruled by Sam but he has to do a honk can you give us a honk that's pretty good that's pretty

good so we're here for podcast number 52 with one two three four five six six of my favorite people in the world to be honest I don't hate it so what we're gonna do is we're gonna go around go around the little circle we've we've put together and talk about our favorite confectionary and introduce ourselves a little bit so mr. Simon Cooper put me on the spot tell you guys my name's Simon Cooper you can call me so Lachlan's just take a little sip of gin and spewed it right back on I just coughed because

what you said was funny and you're not usually funny it's like a backhanded it's not my favorite confectionery why are we talking about our favorite piece what's the Monte Carlo what confectionary all right let's just go dark chocolate okay very good I'm Jared Pulsar most people call me pulse moo max max max it's a freshy max I get max sometimes so I order it like boot boost juices under max and forget their mind that's the outstanding yeah favorite confectionary I can't go past the Snickers oh no you and your hungry great I'm a sucker for

skittles good good good confectionery yeah great oh if I want to get all our natural make my own roll-ups real free you're such a nerd why just buy the mate I mean Uncle Toby's is like a fledgling Australian brand okay you can't really get the minestrone a little bit the starburst jelly beans I thought you were gonna say your favorite confectionery was a favorite confectionery I can't decide between two or no now Samo this is a little inside my world either red frogs the strawberries and cream or gummy bears okay fair just give me a

mix and that's my favorite I'm Wallace you guys know me I hope by now if you don't you've got 51 episodes of content to listen to favorite those red licorice like twisty licorice II long things really they're not licorice but they're I don't know what they're called they're amazing twist raspberry twist those bad boys they're amazing game-changing not yet but they're different yeah Tom went to America once what was it like what what was it like in Alabama Alabama see I told you everyone to stop talking when we already done that people have to tell

you know that played about five minutes ago I might that might be the first bit I ever edit out you singing that yes so we are here because I I set the goal of setting of knocking over 52 podcasts and this is the 52nd podcast it turns out can get worse as you go I don't agree that you had 52 podcasts because you had all those little people I've done more so you've done more so you're lying this is the official 52nd no initially the side I did like a little be better series where I

just talked about it yeah they weren't right like so you're really made actually need to be better and though you didn't actually release it no no I was doing like a three to five minute clip in between episodes just as a little like a little pick-me-up little uh tap-up bum a little let's let's get moving a little bit of column a little bit of column B so yeah so that they that happened a little bit at the start and then I kind of got sick of uploading them so I moved on and just did the

one a week and there were a couple couple there that were a bit like special episodes because like even the Simpsons do special episodes so I thought I'd jump on that bandwagon always been yeah Halloween special so we've got the we've got the Christmas special gin house of horror was where Tommy got cactus yeah spiky desert dwellings plant-like it's good you did well and we did I did a are you okay podcast with one of the boys and one of the guys I recorded a podcast with didn't want to put it up so yeah wasn't

happy with the value he brought which is completely fine for the understandable and here we are week 52 oh great question that bells for a lot of different things yeah what do I want I've learned how important is to be selfish please elaborate I I started the podcast because I wanted to I wanted to help other people learn from from other cool people but I've found that doing this each week is one that's kept me consistent with like one thing you of all people grant know what it's like to have a thousand different things going

on at once so it's taught me the importance of being selfish in the goals that I set and the standards that I hold myself to so I have to record one a week or I have to record a couple in a week to give myself a little banker podcast and I find that if I am doing it for the reef if I'm doing it because I enjoy it which is a selfish thing then I'm going to keep doing it I'm gonna want to keep doing it I'm gonna be able to add value through that yeah

so that's what I've learnt mate what do you what do you answer yeah what have you learnt from all the ones you've listened to yeah I don't read so I listen what are you reading plus you answer a billion emails a day yeah so it's not because you don't have the time it's because you don't like it I struggled with wanting to read for you like a couple of years and really wanting to read and then not not being able to commit the time to it so I was like real shitty with myself and not

being able to actually do it and then podcast Joe Rogan came along and that's kind of like started it and then something clicked like mid last year and I'm so I want to start reading again please read heaps when I was a kid bargain grants on the Sun I reckon there's like there's a set of rules of you know that you have to follow if you want to be seen as being like you know someone who's doing the right things you know you don't you've got a raid you've got to be a morning person got

all this kind of stuff but like shit man if it doesn't work why don't you try and force yourself you know into you know shape doesn't fit you and I cannot sign up to come intensive because you know I have another coffee shop person which is possibly because of the coffee but why didn't you open a bar instead well that's a great question I don't know but I'm but I can't come to terms with being okay with you know not feeling guilty that I get more work done when I'm actually not technically supposed to be

working I think yeah I think it's really important to know what your what your frequency is and to stay stay in that like so so many people burn themselves out trying to trying to fit that bill of like people like Gary Vee and like Tony Robbins stuff awesome for that motivation that drive but that's them that's their different types of brain - you don't have to read a book there's plenty of other sources of information yeah so mention audio books a lot of stuff we get these days can be found on your phone and on

your computer and these kind of things as well so here's the thing that freaks me out you can get any basically yeah sorry I just got a thought stuck in my throat you can get any like university or like degree like online for free now like any anyone there's one of the big colleges in the u.s. started doing it like just putting their coursework up why do people still pay for university so is that seriously it why yeah because the workforce is still based off what your qualifications are yeah if you're trying to find work

then you need to you know this is not this is a blanket statement it's not obviously for example any of it's about here you know right but a lot of traditional business and corporate jobs for example you need to have a qualification otherwise you don't have a chance as a minimum yeah exactly do you think that's that'll change at some point where there'll be I don't know no no I think for some things a world of art some like you're never gonna be able to be a doctor because you're like no YouTube the shit out

of it yeah yeah no but like maybe there ends up being like it I remember what the stat was but there was a statistic that like was a higher number of people never pay back their hex debt because they never they do I'm that guy they go to uni and then they don't end up eventually will that be just a change in the system rather than a change in the university says like universities are a business right like before their business before education yeah yeah yes yes they use education justification to make money yeah so

they are a business yeah correct so are we gonna get to a point where there's some sort of like online system with the partners up with say hospitals for doctors and nurses or the partners up with coffee shops for barista training and things like that like yeah well they will they go like so is it that industries that don't have that huge level for entry are already doing it yeah I think so yeah no probably that like I mean the best I would argue that the sort of the type for university that's not really university

level but the type training you can get the practical training barista training is probably lagging significantly behind the online resource that's got my shout out to something like Bruce the hustle done by a really exceptional Bruce the map tiger I'm in a couple of crew but uh they've just made a lot of time yeah cause it's free yeah hello yeah so being an election you the premier Victoria's come out and made this bold statement allowing access to certain up to 200 type courses for free now so I could be like a beauty technician for free

or something technically yes if you want to do your study yeah PT see if they make that free fucking I love there's the same issue we had ten years ago when I became a PT where they given it out for 500 bucks you did so much I'm not so you know apparently why what this year well I think subsidizing a a course like personal trailer personal training the the industry's flawed or the that kind of just ruins your whole argument you just made about the whole no but no but the job in itself is flawed

because it's it's seen as like a an easy job or a base level job whereas and it is in certain aspects but the the need to have a deep understanding of both psychological and physiological aspects of health movement performance things like that it's so deep it's one of those things that I think needs to be you know it needs to be like a three-year degree as a minimum and that three-year degree I would love to see it be like an online degree or something along those lines like where you can apply what you know in

the gym whilst completing that coursework because like unis are very theory based a lot of coaches are very practical base but then they not a lot of coaches mix the two like cams one of our smartest coaches I hope he doesn't listen to this podcast he won we're not using the shadow belt oh yeah he's one of our most intelligent coaches and like he beat me in any discussion about physiology physiology see that's why I don't know what it is physiology or anatomy or anything like that but he's done a set three and four whereas

I've done a bachelor and like half masters well that so I think it's it's the kind of it's a kind of industry where as soon as you throw something that's really cheap and easy people see it as a cheap and easy way to get into the industry and that's why you know 80% of coaches aren't coaches in five years like they they're all moved to something else they use PT is yeah or as a part-time job and it's a sexy gig right yeah but everyone looks at it looks at it and gets pizza bar and

stuff like that so I think it's changing though do you think it's interesting interesting so much of it is you've actually got to find your own business you can't just go yeah you can't just get a job and then go oh cool I'm working at this place now like a lot of it is you're gonna find your own clients you're gonna run your own business just that's the thing that's a lot of take courses doesn't give you a job yeah a lot of courses give you that basic good oh my god that sounded like a

jetty road jenny road always be so I think a lot of courses do give that base business knowledge where they're asked to create a business plan for their own business and do the finances and that sort of thing but that is like you said all theoretical still as soon as they're actually tasked with going out on their own and building a business they just don't have those skills they don't have the skills to mark yourself so I suppose it depends on the industry you wouldn't want doctors and nurses as we've said to change what they

do because when they come out I've then I've seen people come out of the university like they are ready to go whereas you say you can't leave I'm talking from personal experience I've got a degree in accounting but then you finish that job and you walk into a corporate industry and you go holy shit I've got no idea what I'm doing yeah and I had the background noise because I've done an advanced diploma and a diploma in accounting before I went to uni and the stuff that I did at TAFE was so much better than

what I had at uni and that's really interesting that's just what I'm getting but then I finished my uni degree it was stoked and I went into the industry and went holy shit I know nothing and it was back to the actual fundamentals and the physical accounting that I had to do in TAFE where I you know knew my stuff yeah but then on top of that you have to get your CPA or your CA or I think it's whatever their change of name to now there's no IPA or something like that you need to

prove yourself again yeah and you need to have that three or five years of experience and I think depending on the industry and what the brewing industry which is what I like to see and I suppose it's a little bit the same with what you're doing in the coffee roasting industry is like you need to prove yourself and the beer industry in my opinion is probably a little bit more what do you call it in the growth stages because most brewers don't a lot of brewers that I know don't have a degree behind them they're

fucking amazing brewers and those breweries won't be good unless that brewer knows what they're doing and that's all about learning on the job and being good and having a passion for it so I depend it depends on the industry I reckon yeah you said nurses though like they come out of uni ready to go but do you actually think they think they're ready to go I don't know about practical element of their course where if you don't do counting of course you don't have to do like that's normal course path would be 18 finish school

nursing is only a three degree year 21 year old I know when I was at 21 I was nowhere ready to be in such a stressful environment that's true there's an adult - so yeah obviously if you've got I know what I was like at 21 there's no way I could have coped with the stresses that a nurse would have to deal with and I think looking at that from that kind of run with things as well and what KP was alluding to teaching to 22 years old you've probably done yeah you do like 15

weeks 16 weeks of placement I didn't know we did the practical part we did the four years at uni a lot of industries and a lot of in career paths there's no like screening process straight out of uni to ensure that you are job ready you have the theoretical knowledge something you even have the practical knowledge but you don't have the maybe mindset or the maturity to go into a full-time role and start working the same question then what's more important experience it's both some interns coming in who don't like they don't know what the

upper-dorsum est connects to like hello yes made that up but they can like go through like some like the most intricate like spreadsheets around programming around pure ization but they can't teach it like a basic squat right or they can't connect with the person that they're coaching yeah right that's another element but nothing that's where education will that's the realm that will move into where there is the education component and there's the transferable skills exactly and people skills and as an educator I think we've let our kids down we teach too much content specific stuff

and yeah rather than that I'd like to say it's teaching transferable skills and stuff I think we've spoken about it the podcast yeah one of the questions I've been asking lately and it'd be cool to get like a one a one subject answer from each of you is if you had to go back to school what subject would you would you add to the curriculum because like for me like my answer like I've been thinking about it each time I ask it and I think my answer is something along the lines of self-awareness gratitude I

don't know subject fuck yeah I think parents try and teach that all the time and I think parents don't know how to engage with exactly a generation that is so you know that there's always gonna be different from theirs because that's sort of happens in the cycle you know you see times you hear parents say be grateful for what I've done for you or be grateful for you know like by the time you've figured out your parents are right about most things sometimes it's too light I told my kids like as you're a teenager you

want to spend less and less time with your family you want to spend more and more time with friends because you've got some independence and yeah you want to get away from that authority kind of thing we all kind of basically go through and then once you kind of get through the other side and you decide if you go to uni start your first job you tend to always you start to realize as Sam said you'd lean back on your parents more and more as you get older or something comes full circle again way where

you rely on them a lot more than what you actually thought you did yeah it's really interesting like like if you could throw a subject out there what would you trigonometry use it every day prove it philosophy I'm similar to you are lucky like I would probably treat teach people philosophy but a practical one so it's not so much you know let's talk about daycare and just talk about like maybe critical thinking yeah critical thinking yeah lateral thinking you know the ability to sort of take a step back and view the world with perspective rather

than through your narrow lens but then that comes with experience right it's it's tough yeah it's an experience basing I think you you understand it more the more you kind of experience it but introducing it at a younger age would be good because I would argue that most people are introduced to that if they're lucky enough to go to a university and kind of and have that kind of tertiary education experience but I think it's something that's universal and it doesn't have to be academic and dense it can be relative and kind of practical yeah

I feel like uni kind of teaches you to be a robot though like it teaches you to learn the content tick the boxes like if we had a yeah basically we had a bachelor of like learning how to brew beer everyone there is one I'm not very everyone end up brewing the same beer right yeah yeah yeah yeah so I think that ability to I don't think I think there's a place to learn to then know and understand it and then go your own way yeah 100% and I think and like that's if like I

think maybe we're maybe we're kind of asking the wrong question and maybe uni is just that stepping stone to that next step where you understand the basics and you can do the requirements of your job and then that creativity and that adaptation to be like a leader in your industry or whatever comes from actually applying it and actually doing it like sooner to address it though through education yeah and make them aware that this isn't just when you go into the workplace you're not just following these this structure you're following these rules it's broader than

that and then you have the ability to build something that's yours it has to be another path because I'm finding with the guys I teach at the moment they're very short short focus so instead of uni yeah they don't think care so yeah the rate of kids going on scored and then not having to do exams because they say it as an easy way out happens it's happening more and more and more it seems that they've got the vehicle pathway which is you more trade based yeah path and then you've got your VCA which is

set up to for people to essentially go to uni but there needs to be somewhere in the middle where they can kind of just for the kids that don't know what they want to do get those skills that are not academic or anything like that they want to be the doctors if you want to go down that path fine we'll create a pathway but needs to be something in the middle where we could probably teach all these things we do be very thankful happen if like there was no uni though like if there's no uni

what would it do to all those lower income jobs that people do because they didn't go to uni like I don't want to like it's like I don't want to say it jokes I don't insult anyone but if you like think about it the lower income jobs usually the ones didn't go to uni so we change uni them yes it would change all these higher or change for nurses or change of teachers or change for PTs but what will it do till the lower down income jobs well I think they're gonna stay they're gonna be

there regardless like although all the service jobs that are the backbone of our economy I think is the words you're looking for like I really like the way policy put it way like it's almost like we we move we have something in the middle that welcome to my lab yeah good we have something yeah we have something in the middle that's like I don't know almost like the the creative like entrepreneurship kind of kind of tactic like way to where you go there's three business owners here how are you hiring people now are you looking

at tertiary education that is a great question really topical because we just the three of you that is owners requirements you know you guys go first I think it's going forward like if you're hiring more kind of management you need to put people in with more kind of responsibility than say hospitality staff that you are currently employing which are casual and that kind of thing I don't honestly I know because I'm clearly gonna have to start putting those people on yeah require or they have those sort of degrees but yeah it's not really a huge

waiting on my opinion yep really I mean it looks good so I think that maybe maybe might be the answer to something like if the new business owners are not looking at those things so heavily yeah and are actually looking at tangible experience and things like that and value add to the business in other ways then you went and took three four years out of life to go do that instead of three four years knuckling down working learning growing why it's gonna play out I don't think like I went I went straight through uni I

needed to use uni because I had previous education I didn't do the full three years and I got to the end and my uni and I suppose it's just a personal opinion this is my experience so I don't know whether everyone else has just been given that step up but I had no internship so I'll came out of uni fully with a good degree stage three to work and I had nothing because I hadn't done any experience so I couldn't get a job in Australia so I went to Hong Kong and I wanted a job

there now because I was desperate and it's like when where's the support and so on I'm talking on a personal side of things so when I got back from my holiday and from my trip to Hong Kong to work I was looked upon as like oh you've had an experience you've gone out you've done some different things will employ you now so how the fuck is that changed who I am and what my education basis is but it gave me a job so I don't know and it suppose it depends on who that person is

who's hiring so I don't look that favorite fuck if I was employing a doctor doctor be no education besides I don't even care if it's PCA to be honest it was like if you guys are you're smashing down the industry and you're you've got a reputation and you got referees and I call you and they're like mate he was the best worker I've had killing it and the guys that the people that he's been working with sounds good well why wouldn't I give that person to guys because they haven't had an education and if they're

willing to you know jump on board part of the culture put the time and effort in understand what we're doing in nail interview why the hell wouldn't you give that person a trial so I don't know that's just mine that's a really good question cuz I know two of the business owners here are hiring at the moment aren't they great plug I've got a bit of time free so I'm happy to help yeah exactly like cuz we just launched our like our kind of recruiting campaign if you call it a campaign but a recruiting drive

today but what are your like views on it like what do you look for now it's just really interesting and I guess we're common folk which is business that I help around we're in a bit of a different position than maybe a couple of businesses here because we're relatively established and small business and I think that it is true that's just the facts guys hey the up-and-coming business to some in the sense that I think that we've become not just a business but a destination for people in our industry especially on Peninsula yeah which helps

a fuckload and it's because of the hard work of the team that we've kind of got guys like Tommy and and you know like Shannon and Phil and crew that are working back mostly Shannon probably seriously but like working really hard to set a culture that people want to be part of because we've got a reputation for whatever it is that we do which is mostly make coffee and make it well but if I'm employing people experience is obviously important but genuinely characters probably the number one aspect so I want people who are willing to

learn and willing to work hard but once again like grandma sort of saying with similar industry I mean I'd be a coffee it's you know it's a beverage and we're kind of hospitality with service yeah both delicious hell yeah yeah we want we want people who are who are trainable so they can kind of figure out what we you want to do but also we kind of want to hire people who willing to sort of get down and dirty I don't want yeah barista to come in who thinks that they're a rock star but um

but only just wants to make coffee because that's only like I don't know 30% of the job the other six it's sort of less relevant when really what you need to be doing is like clearing tables and being engaging with with people and actually you know it probably wouldn't would be quite similar to your experience with the verbose and so in the end I want people who want to be there I don't want to hire someone who thinks that they're the shit because how do you how do you establish that like from a like a

formal interview do you guys looking at I ask a lot of weird questions yeah in fact it's funny I deliberately get people to come to their interview and comment vote and then I tell them we're walking around to the office and the bulk of my interview I do on the way in what appears to be a really casual conversation good and so I asked so I actually want if anyone listens to this and I actually asked him the questions that I want to know the answer to like so like oh what'd you get up to

on the weekend you know like how's work being or what's your current boss like all that kind of stuff and then when I get into the interview I talk about their favorite hospitality places and whatever experience they have but really I've probably already formed my opinion on whether I'll hire them yeah based on how they were as a person because that's the experience that their colleagues and their customers are gonna get from them and we can teach them how to make coffee as long as they're you know they got half a brain I can teach

anyone I like that you do that because I know in interviews I just freeze so if I was doing the casual walk with you I'll be fine as soon as I got into that room and the door shut I'll be like what's my name I find that often as well like it's a new hospitality is useless likes why better to get in for a trial and see how they actually respond because you know it's in the end you're doing something quite practical so I don't care when you're sitting down wearing a like suit and tie

I think that's really it's really interesting hearing you say that cuz like I don't think we've we've talked about staff a lot we haven't never talked about recruiting stuff and that's very like pretty much the same process that I go through all I am going through and have been through you saying 30% of coffee's clinic tables and doing all the shit stuff like you're just saying a junior like 30% of in the walls of chalk yeah but I think 30% of any job sucks like like doesn't matter what job you do 30% of the job

sucks yeah 30% of jobs fucking awesome and then the other 40% yeah see policy policy he's got a piece of paper he's writing the numbers down for us but okay and that 40% is the stuff you've just got to do right that's not bad it's not good it's just you've just got to do it yeah and like that glamorous stuffs the fives like that little five cent I think my way of talking like your you ask that question policy my way of talking about that through interviews is you like pre frame all the shit stuff

first and you talk about okay here's all the things that suck about our job because most people who come into a new environment look at all the good stuff and don't really pay attention to shit stuff get in and go it's all gonna be like this but it's not so I pre frame the fact that we have like early morning starts we have like late-night finishes sometimes like we sometimes we don't have time to nap during the day for three or four days and we're doing 16 17 hour days and sometimes we got to cover

people that we don't cover sessions we don't necessarily want to cover we get home late and don't see our friend like our friends and family as much as we would like to because the nature of the job is it's like busy mornings busy nights and you're getting all your admin done during the day and I think if you can pre frame all the crap stuff then all the good stuff like you don't have to talk about it because it's there and they know it's there so our like the first thing I look for with a

hire is someone like you said they just wants to like wants to be there yeah like we'll run through a big brick wall to spend time with you and with the team and it doesn't coincide with I think any formal education necessarily no it's just about the character yeah like out the first first part of our interview we've got so we've got a like an online fill out questions we have questions like what's your philosophy if you could have one song that every time you walk into a room plays every single time for the rest

of your life what would that song be like what's the best answer being well we just put it up today so we haven't any answers but if it's not hooked on a feeling don't bother applying and just questions like why Brutus like what like and why now and what was the last one would you be on my podcast no all right well we discussed that today with someone oh yeah like podcast something gotta earn and you guys have all put in the legwork and and you guys really well to get on it more than once

so cheers you all but out so once once I get through that point it's the first step is a cultural interview so it's do they fit our culture do that will they be a part of our team cuz like I'm not interested in anyone that wants to be the rock star like you like the Tommy T of your business guilty so so if they don't get past that bit they don't get to the the second they don't get to the second round which is the like can you do what we do and do it well

would you have that interview if they didn't have a degree yeah I'm saying yeah yeah so I mean we all almost agree yeah that we would but I feel like it's important to say to the three business owners in this room we're working in relatively easy entry sort of industries where I could hire someone to you know to clean floors and wash dishes and and you know like obviously there are more advanced jobs from there but it's not like we're hiring someone where there is a minimum requirement well his thing if I'm hiring physio right

like they'll have to have a physio degree it's just it is what it is I don't know we call damn a queen step yeah that's true well then again having coming from the accounting background that I have I would employ someone that doesn't necessarily have a unit degree which where I don't think a lot of businesses would yeah I just can't stop yeah exactly but most of the time you can get away with I mean that's just because I know what you check the works but the only day like just because I mean if you

comes up from somewhere and you have a shitload of experience so I'm bringing someone in from just nowhere if you got experience I'll probably have a chat with you if you're a pinhead it's gonna be pretty evident pretty good great use of the word pinhead right outstanding I have I've only had one pinhead and he needs to clean the walls a little bit more like this jobs that you just have like have to have the the thing but at the end of the day it's we hire on person first skills yeah but is think just

be the guy that starts the business and hire people to go piece of paper and you sweet start the business and then hire the people that are better then what did you do start a business she don't know it's a question I love starting business I love everything about business I love collaborating with people and bringing people together I think that's what it is yeah that's a simple I love hospitality I love bringing people together I think that's half of the way business runs as well so I think that's where it's coming from but again

if I started another business and if January was successful and not that I'm looking at doing things but I just love the idea of creating something yeah so and I reckon it's like ditto that but I think I came into it from the point of like more on that I love coffee I want to control it more and then fell in love with the business and empowering other people and it's sort of funny too because I think that through that I've probably tried to oh no I think inadvertently I've surrounded myself with people who also

love to have a bit more control and love to kind of you know have more insight into what they're doing like Tommy's the classic example I know that he wanted to come and work for common folk not because I'm a stand-up kind of guy but actually because he knew that he'd have an opportunity to really imprint onto what he was doing and I think he has I mean I attribute a lot of what we've done it was the culture like there's other businesses that I could have worked for and made more money like I had

offers for the money but the culture of common folk and what the business stood for and who it was and what its identity was as a business was something I identified with and thought was way more important than chasing success is like money Tommy you and coop are two people that obviously like work for the businesses and with with us but like is that the reason why you didn't go and do it yourself like cuz you two people that I don't think I think you could both run your own business like Tommy Tommy T partnership

you heard it here first I've been asked before because I've had aspirations to start my own stuff yeah but um I keep kind of saying the same thing that I haven't found any ceilings or limitations on working with Sammy or anyone at common folk in their management team I feel like I treat common folk as my own business so not in a way of like entitled and that's what you want right like a jerk but I understand that there's costs and things like I'm not just willing to go spend common folks money for no reason

yeah I kind of have that critical eye and thought process behind everything I do because I want comfort to succeed and until I get to the point where Sam saying no to my ideas or things that I think are valuable for common folk I can I can't see a reason to leave how long have you worked there on and off yeah so I started I started from the start and then my other employer thought it was a conflict of interest so I had to stop looking at comic book but still kind of did a little

bit um and then Sam was like I'll get you back here one day and it's been nearly two years that's crazy this second time yes but it's he's kind of been part of the furniture since yeah and even when I was away I was still around and yeah I still felt like common folk was but he's the kind of employee you want he's the kind of person you hire and he'll say no to me which is actually key because like I'm a pretty big personality and I'm happy to kind of push things through and try

and get my own way but that's not gonna work out if you're running an organization that employs like 65 people and has you know multiple venues and you know you kind of want to be the dumbest person in the room yeah and so yeah I mean I'm not allowed to roast coffee anymore we're not tonight what about you coop that's my boy oh you can't breathe hey I braced hey previous life gun barissa don't think so I'm gonna look at I'll tell you I'll swap it I'll stop at good for me for coop like a

weekly swap I could tell he's trained enough to probably know how to half roll tonight it's all the back of the house stuff I need you out with coop talk to me no I agree I started working with vertice obviously I've been when you started no coffee coffee we went to a flock down at dr. drives get around it yeah they serve delicious coming for coffee you're welcome I started working those because I believe I believe in the in the vision and the culture it's not because I was desperate for work or desperate for money

like I'm I could do other things and like the reason I'm I came back from the UK was to pursue other things I didn't come back to start working about it even though I did but yeah that's the reason I wanted to get involved is because locks locks granted culture and a place where there's constant improvement where people you're helping people to be better you're making the world a better place that's the vision and that resonated with me and I am fully invested in that and yeah I mean I love working there and I love

balancing that and other interests and other relationships and I think it it strikes a chord with me and I'm happy doing it that's why yeah that's good that's why it kept the job yeah hey and that's like and that's if like hopefully the two or three or four guys we we hire over the next two or three or four months all girls all girls guys guys is he guys both like that that's coop is one of the people that you look at is as an employee or as one of a member of your team and

you look at and go okay like I want everyone to have that vision and that mindset and that ability to look at the vertices something that's growing and something that needs to be needs to be fed with energy and and love and something that needs to be it's like a garden that needs to be tended to very regularly as well saying that you take you take ownership of the business yeah it's not just locks business on paper is but it's my business as well and I'm contributing towards its growth and if I drop the ball

then there's a drop yeah and you'll sure as hell never get anywhere if you treat it otherwise as well it's sort of funny it's like I think about all the stuff I haven't and like like a really high number of them almost the point where I'd say all of them you know tree con folk in some way is there yeah and it's something that I kind of I feel like people in general might kind of feel like that's too much to ask from somebody well you can't ask you staff to do that but I kind

of kind of throw back at them like why would you want to work there if you weren't prepared to do that like I don't sure as hell I want to work somewhere where I like I resent the people who employ me and kind of want to do a half-assed job yeah I'm just can't wait to you know like pulse and KP like it's cool cuz like we've got thirty three thirty three thirty three split of what people are doing as the host I'm I'm separate so policy okay you guys are working for the man trying

to make the world a better place yeah within a system that all women oh fuck me it's 20 come on like let's just let's just say shit dig up yeah fucking keep digging you guys basically just like work for the man in a system that was created before you were like a part of it how how does that affect your ability to make a difference and do what you want to do the way it's structured it's so hierarchical that great word that it is hard to foster any change from an entry level yeah you have

the ability to do it within the system if you can start at a smaller school and build yourself up quickly to then have power to make decisions unfortunately in education people are there for a long tenure which is not a bad thing because experience experience is a good thing in our job but the way it's set up and the way it's structured it makes it it makes it very difficult to set out to do anything new exciting change the system because all that's obviously dictated by the government yeah which is really which is the frustrating

frustrating component of the job yeah one of the things Greg taught us a little while ago we did it like a speaker school where it was about getting a message across and the origin of the word education is to adduce change and it's really interesting to one of the things I try and ask myself every day is is are the things I'm trying to teach are they actually making a change and are they changing behavior do you find some days or some times the system works against your ability to make that change absolutely yeah definitely

there's certain boundaries that you have to yeah oh there's certain holes you have to fit through before you can make anything happen yeah and there's a lot of boxes you have to tick that before you can actually get to the stuff you really really want to do yeah this makes it extremely difficult but if you can get through to one key then I think you're doing your job as an educator if you can change or open their perception to something new or have a conversation to them or just change the way that they're thinking or

yeah foster some form of change and that that's a positive day do you want to be a teacher forever it's a question that I ask myself a lot and I battle with it a great deal yeah I feel sometimes yes and sometimes no so I definitively I can't say that I want to the stupid thing about education is that the more experience that you get the more time you get taken away from the classroom where you must need it so the better teacher you are you become a leading teacher you become assistant principal you eventually

essentially become human resources manager or a business manager where you're not actually teaching and you kind of lose track or lose touch of what is actually happening in the classroom you'll take your teaching teachers right like if you're in that for those positions know is this inherently managing the school you're a business manager principles is being someone with like an MBA or something rather than actually being educated there's no you're running a business you're not running the university yeah you know you're not running you don't have you're not teaching yourself and then have you really

seen your teachers on a similar pay package as a principal especially ones that aren't teaching teachers they're not they're not tied down with admin and all that kind of rubbish yeah yeah I was having a conversation with I think some schools have started to go down that part I think there's one or two that have background but I have heard that some schools have gone down that path or working in conjunction with the principal rather than trying to release him to do things so one of the conversations having with one of our mutual friends Aaron

Kellett was around like I was talking to him about how everything was going like the first time we'd caught up in maybe two months and I was just throwing it like throwing all the stuff at him and I was like you know what I'm like really struggling with the the move away from coaching and the move away from just being with a client one on one like because that's like that's my jam that's what I do like you used to make coffee back in the day you used to write numbers and stuff down we'll talk

about we'll talk about your ability to make coffee in a minute Tommy but one of the things that came up I was like I kind of miss coaching goes yeah but you kind of still coaching I'm like well what do you mean he's like well now rather like rather than just coaching individual you're coaching a group and a team in it and and the the vertice family is a collective and I kind of thought about it for a little bit and I kind of liked the way he put it because it made me feel better

about myself for one but it made me realize that I wasn't actually changing what I was doing it was like completely it was just adapting this go away the way I was coaching and I found that really really interesting because I think if you because I can still look back look look at my days and go yeah well I'm still being true to my mission and true to our values and true to our vision of moving forward improving people one person at a time I'm just overseeing it rather than doing the the grunt work and

the ground work do you find there's a level of like progression with teaching where you stop doing that where you just focus on the business of the school and the running of the school there's the culture and teaching is the more experience to get the more you're expected to do yeah and with that comes positions of responsibility which didn't essentially take you away from face-to-face teaching yeah so yeah it's really interesting if I was to ask the majority of people that I work with that around my age and who I've known for a while will

have the same answer to this question they love being in the classroom yeah it's the other other shit that they struggle with and probably drives teachers away yeah so question and I suppose this is well you alluded to before I'm going to fold here does the structure of how your career unfolds represent how kids are educated because if you're following a regimented way of going up the line moving away from something you didn't want you actually entered into that career because you were passionate educating kids you got to manage your role yeah where is that

opportunity which is what you alluded to before in regards to that area of change or you know creativity the kids don't get at high school or primary school where are they going to get that if you guys are all regimented in the system ultimately it's your personal decision yeah but the the pressure from the system is for you to jump up the line and if you want more money if you want good thing about education is that the way it's set out money comes with experience so you can be you can be a ten-year teacher

and do a poorer job than someone else it's a ten-year teacher you still going to get paid the same do you think it's a good or a bad thing overall personally I would like to see somehow that change but how do you write someone's teaching is a whole nother can of worms that would probably take another three hours like and there's many variables to put into that bucket to come out with a solution or a formula I think it has been more stress on teachers to if they did something like that I would like to

see some people get away with doing that yeah exactly but something to get do the same thing every single year and don't change yeah I know there's a teacher at a school near me that has been there for so long and they do the same thing every single year and never change it they never have to plan because they know exactly what they're doing at what time and yeah one of the things one of my coaching mentors would always tell me early on was like if you've done the same thing for 12 years you don't

have 12 years of experience you have one year experience repeated 12 times and that's something that like it's always scared the shit out of me I don't want to be that guy like if I'm not moving forward if I'm not growing then like I'm letting myself and everyone down I've kind of got to a point with my teaching is that I know I can't impact from the top so I'm happy making a difference where I can because if I will if I wanted to impact from the top I'd have to go away from ideally what

I want to do is to teach and I've got to be happy with that decision personally to say I think I've reached my level of where I want to be in terms of the structure and the hierarchy yeah if you want to get that leading teacher wage fine but that's added pressure in your life and it's taking away from the classroom yeah people got to make that decision unfortunately in society money is a big thing as a factor and people want to push to hit that pay scale as quickly as they can yeah but as

I said ultimately will come down to the personal teachers preference but I've reached a level where I'm happy where I'm where I'm sitting at the moment have really no ambition to climb any further than where I am right now that's a cool thing to be able to be self-aware enough to understand to know that and to understand that and to go I'm gonna make it as bigger like because you're I guess growth will come from making a bigger difference to all the people around you that's right it's pretty cool I cannot I've been on the

outskirts of the periphery of the of the top the next job so I'm sitting like just below the next rung and I know I don't want to do that that's too much stress like I don't want I don't have to take that on board at this present time do you want to be a teacher forever KP I don't even know if I want you now why I don't know I think for me where I'm at it's just a constant battle and I just want to I want to like I got into teaching because I love

working kids I love helping people I love making a difference but I don't want to fight for that every single day I don't want to fight for the respect I don't want to fight for just people to listen I don't want to fight for just to have a good class there's a big burnout factor yeah statistics show up quite well in five years it's a massive drop away or away from the system which is scary yeah one of the main reasons I'm at the school that I'm at again like I love the school that I'm

at I love the teachers I work with I love that my students like I love it all but my first couple of weeks at school the kids nearly every kid told me they haven't had the same PE teacher more than a year so I think I came home to locking in the first like month I was like I'm gonna be here next year like I want to be that different person stubborn well yeah I am very stubborn in the system as well yeah movements undervalued yeah sometimes I feel like PE is just a teachers in

primary school get that time release yeah at times I'm like I've got a good AP I'm lucky in principle they're both into sport they love it they understand it but I also at times feel like it's just you take this class the teacher gets their planning time interesting that's really interesting same conversation with Aaron was talking about a environment and how important the environment is to job satisfaction and I think you can be doing something you don't necessarily like in a giant in an environment that you love and you can like make the most of

it and actually enjoy it and and and look forward to going to work but even if but if you're in an environment that you don't like doing a job that you love then eventually it's gonna beat you down and beat you down beat you down to a point where you don't want to rock up to work anymore and I think like obviously you guys I find with teachers people get caught up in the stuff that they can't really affect yeah they can't control I can't control so they'll put all their time and energy saying this

is not working this isn't good enough yeah they've got that negative attitude from the get-go obviously that's come from wherever they've been in the system that long yeah they've got to realize that you've just got to sometimes accept for what it is and do what you can to make your job what it is and essentially why why we why did we become educated I mean you still got a classroom of 30 kids exactly every day yeah you still got an opportunity you should bring that that your mentality shouldn't affect what you're trying to serve to

them or bring to them as well it's really interesting all the quotes about control and just being able to identify what's controllable and what's not are all floating into my head but I'm not gonna repeat any of them because I'm like everyone's sick of me like pumping out quotes but yeah can I get a ding if teachers are complaining about something else or teachers aren't like they can just read a teacher and they know what type of day they're having what they're feeling yeah you cry that's the same with like our industry yeah like people

pick up like so we need to let we need to walk into the to work and leave all the other stuff at the door and focus on what we need to do which for many of us is to create positive change we can't do that yeah I was gonna say that I can interesting thought I'm like you were saying policy in terms of some teachers are just they're so stuck down in the mud of all the stuff they can't really control and then others who may be kind of with themselves above that can have the

most impact you think it's an optimist pessimist sort of thing and then leading into the question like do you guys think you're more optimistic or pessimistic and do you think that impacts all the way you guys go about how you are question and does it even factor in is it relevant I don't I don't think it's I think it's relevant yeah perspectives are really important thing but like because like I like I have some hard days and I have some long days and I have some days where I'm like what the fuck am I doing

like why am I doing this should I be doing this like why you know it'd be so much easier if I was working for myself in a little shed just coaching clients and and doing it like that and like but I've never even though I've had those days where I'm like why am I doing this I've never had a day where I've doubted my ability to succeed and like even now I don't feel like I'm successful like I feel like I've got so much more to give and to grow and to improve and stuff and

I think yeah whatever what we talking about are you well okay would you say that comes from a place of positivity or a place of negativity because I can I just say from the outside yeah and I don't know what your perspective is but for me I look at lucky and I'm like classic optimist he's always striving he's always excited and ensure you might be projecting that but even projecting that it's hard to do for a pessimist like a real true like I'm definitely definitely an optimist like you're hardly negative hardly if you're having a

terrible day you're hardly because it doesn't it doesn't make anything better I like unless he back in the day when he used to lose a game of footy oh I don't like losing what about a game of lifting yeah no sorry but yeah like I am optimistic and I am really negative and like some days I do feel as though it's not gonna work but my brain and my the way my mindset works is that all the hardship all the all the stuff that you don't want to be doing all of the like having to

let go of like for staff over the last couple of weeks has been really hard emotionally but I know it's the best for those individuals and I know it's the best for vertice long term I know it's the best for me and my relationships with those four people like they're four people that like people that like I'll like love and be like cherished as friends forever but it just wasn't working so I know that like one of my favorite like little and I'm fucking saying a quote it eat a bag of dicks is is that

the Reese Johnson special one of my favorite quotes is growth is isn't always pleasant at the time and I know that all the hardship we go through it's all leading to something that's gonna be better and it doesn't mean there's gonna be some magical place that we get to where we've made it we're successful where we've got enough money where we've nothing to worry about like life is I think life is struggle and life is about suffering and and being able to enjoy the suffering and the struggle like that's where my optimism comes from it

doesn't come from a fact like a sunshine and rainbows kind of kind of deal do you think it's natural or do you think it's alone I don't know any different so like I was you I would assume that it's natural from your parents yeah we live a pretty privileged lifestyle I try and convey that to my students as much as I can I said if you've reached this point in your life you're more educated then yeah like 90% of the world's population but you've got clean running water and these kind of things so I always

say oh yeah exactly and that's maybe where that whole kind of positive or optimistic vibe comes from because we've given such a leg up on yeah what some of the world and what other other human beings have to face you have to ask like ask my parents but I think I've always probably been that put that optimistic person but I've probably only really been self-aware around that optimism and that ability to embrace suffering and embrace the suck for lack of a better term as I've kind of left uni tried things failed fucked up like had

really hard days where like we don't know if don't know if I'm gonna be able to pay for this or pay for that or when I'm traveling overseas and I'm in a different country and I'm amongst a group of people who like among like some of the happiest people I've ever seen but they've got nothing by our standards by Western standards so I think the ability to like perspective and gratitude and things like that are really really important to be able to go you know what like I got my health so I'm yeah yeah exactly

so I don't know it's it's interesting one like are you guys you're all pretty positive people Tom fucking hates everything even nothing Tom Turlock hates everything no you are you're a critical person but is critical negative comes from sarcasm which you like to joke around so even like time I take as positivity not only hey simple question why do you hate things I see things through that prism of like that's not good enough that's not good enough that's not good enough yeah and I don't know it kind of has worked for me in some way

it's not does it hurt you does it control you I don't know I haven't really thought about it a lot but like you can attest to this at work like constantly like when am I ever actually really does that mean you're striving for that kind of side yeah person as well you know yeah it's always like I could do better nothing can't be improved on change that's where that quote came from yeah it was roasting it was I was always seen as very negative in my previous job when I was roasting the other two guys

they surrounded every day yeah why is like shitting on this roast and we work so hard which is it's not true I'm not never happy but you were happy this afternoon you were happy it's true but even George they could all be better oh my god you sound like fucking that's what you need in that role yeah all right and I think that's how you become someone yeah there's never excellent not to say that doesn't get you to places like so when lucky was saying trialing and failing I would struggle to do that because the

failure would hurt me so much because I'm constantly trying to achieve so I but technically so critical technically you do fail every time because I'm something yeah right which whereas I would go fuck yeah you've nailed that like yeah you're not amazing around me like it's amazing mean you've now that be up nah it's off my fucking cells well what do you love it's good enjoy the side suit with Geordie oh yes what do you love in the morning it's all about improving it's not about that I don't see things you don't unhappy guy no

I don't see things always like half full it's always half empty it could always be better yeah after you said mean things I'm not gonna say nice things but like I see you as the kind of person we've got to know each other really well over the last 12 months I see you as a kind of person if anyone asked me what do you think it told me it's like he's like one of the nicest most genuine guys ever who really cares about all the things he does and all the people around him like you

just want to help and you want to improve people and like environments in the world world around you like there's been times where I feel as though you care more about my business than my staff do like some of my staff do and like one of the things one of my mentor said to me is like you get the staff you think you deserve and I realize that well I don't have to like if I use how much you care for common folk and how much you want to be a part of like Sammy and

Benny's vision and that vision becomes your vision like like I don't have to just accept like what I've got like things can change and I think like you've been able to teach me unintentionally probably because like that's just you but you've been able to show me that she can always be improved and there's always room to room to grow and room to improve so I see you as a as an optimist that hates being called an optimist yeah now you're in love you've changed a little bit though I haven't seen you in months there was

like there was a 45 day period where I didn't see you and I was really worried different like if he was single you would have come with me that's a lie well yeah have you seen have you seen Reese Johnson lately so two weeks get told me back for ten days or so she's extended it where you policy yes are you an optimist or a pessimist and why I think as I was alluding to before I think just because we've got such a head start in life I think it's hard not to be an optimist

with the generation we've come from disagree just from my experiences in my background and what I've gone through like it's hard not to think that life shit or anything like that yeah like yeah that's my kind of theory like but I'm an optimist because there's plenty of idiots I think they're like oh this is just fucked that's not optimism though that's like but it's just there's plenty of people around and you wouldn't associate with them I don't think anyone myself included would associate with someone that's a pessimist like my you are just bringing me down

I think that's what we've got here on the table that doesn't matter what career you're in what industry you're in what you do you're sitting around people that create you know your lifestyle yeah I think that's the same thing you know with everybody like attracts like what angle you attack your life that everyone here is an optimist otherwise they wouldn't be sitting here having this discussion you're like fuck I'd rather be sitting at home watching TV I'm gonna be shitty fucking baby I reckon people listen to your podcast or people that listen to podcasts I'm

not negative but that's but that's the most frustrating thing right like it's almost like you're preaching to the choir is that really just think she has to be right go on right not here like not here as in in this room but I hear is in with me right like everyone else it's this here like your people that I have like attracted and vice versa into our yeah you are yeah they give me that spider big shit so everyone here run he's like in each other's lives because like this we share heaps and heaps in

common and I think the the thing that differentiates friendship from relationships is you share a shit ton in common but there's also that people that you know okay different I love it to bits and yes we are friends but there's that that part of the relationship that you don't necessarily share in common right and and there and you start to the longer you together you start to understand those differences and be aware of those differences grants not eat a lot you start to understand those differences and you start to acknowledge those differences and you start

to appreciate those differences right yeah and I think like that our like keeping our my ability to like nine years and you've been fairly similar you two have been together for a long time ten like Tommy's been together with Georgie fly eight days eight days or something you celebrate your wiki-versary congratulations he's probably texting her right now but like over over that long period of time you start to appreciate the things you don't have in common more more so and then you learn from each other and you're you have that like I'm big believer that

relationships are two lives like they're being lived side by side and not one life that's you're trying to fucking make everything work and make each other love everything and love this love the same thing but I'm just saying that for different we're not yeah yeah you know what do you pull it out of the hole before we even started dating yeah but you will friends because you were like deeply attracted to me no I think I'm a bit of both I think when it comes to myself I'm a but I think when other people are

talking about like their issues or something like if someone's like venting to you if someone's venting to me I would see the positive in every single thing that they're saying and try and turn a positive but then when it comes to myself I would be like just focusing on the negative and I would struggle to focus on the positive for myself so I think I'm a bit of both that negative or best being critical on yourself it's probably two separate different two different things do you get stuck and not work your way through that situation

like yeah okay I do it all time like sometimes I don't sleep or I wake up at 3 because I'm stressing or I'm really focusing on the negative but that's because I know I need to focus on that critical issue and go right how the fuck do I get out of this so you're identifying the fact that you I'd you know Georgie Georgie identify though as an issue okay you just kind of sit there in the in the funk of it yeah until someone pulls me out of it but like that's something you're significantly better

at now because of the the groups and the people that you like surround yourself with right like you're significantly better at pulling yourself out of that those negative smiles that everyone goes through now because you're of the environments you surround yourself in like you'll come home from days at work where you've had a really really tough day and you'll go see Shelby or you'll catch up with a friend or you'll come to vertice group training at 6 p.m. on Monday to Fridays and and you'll jump and but you'll jump into an environment where people are

positive and people are happy and it'll pull you out of that negative spiral yourself going into just tell me I'm right please all right you grant are you a pessimist or an optimist pull the car over and just have a listen I find you're always like you're always working on something you know and I think when you allow yourself time to work on yourself and that being like like which is fucking minimal like and it's something that I've struggled with a lot in the past I feel as I'm getting better I feel as I'm giving

myself time for me because that gives me more time for everyone else but I think that's somewhat something you're kind of moving through at the moment is that ability to go you know what how does spending more time on you give you more time for everyone else that's a bullshit okay no time okay I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna push my way through an answer for that so if you if you take more time for yourself right like so say say every every 60 days or every 90 days you what's not just having to shut

up for a second physical time versus no no physical time so if you so if every if every 60 or 90 days right you take every 60 days you take say four days to yourself right yeah over the next 60 days because you've had that four days yourself you're gonna be significantly more present in that in those moments you have with everybody else which means you're gonna be putting a lot more energy and a lot more time to those people rather than being somewhere in the middle of I need to look after myself it's not

a video podcast cap it doesn't matter if I'm moving my hands I wonder if you can talk without them so if you're able to actually able to be present and actually spend time with with the people you're with you don't have to worry about needing time for yourself like I find when I coach coach coach coach coach and work heaps my sessions lose quality and then I'm not as present with my clients and I'm not that's not what you said you didn't say that quality you said time but it's the same thing but it's the

same thing it's straight pure time time is it my time is it my time time is it my time have you not read sapiens times an illusion time is something that we've made up and what we've all just agreed on can you guys just let me crawl out of the hole if you have time where you're I'm not done if you have time when you're half like half thinking about shit you've got a you've got to do and half the time like so you're the time you're spending 50% of you is with the shit you've

got to do 50% of you is with the people you're meant to be with then that time isn't going to anyone right did you talk through yours I feel as though Grant interrupted I think I'm an optimist but it's very critical of myself as well which can come across as being a peasant why do you think you're critical of yourself I don't know where it's come from I hold myself to high standards I think I can attest to that as well and I struggle to I guess looking at it through Tommy's lens there's always something

that you can do better regardless of what you are actually doing yeah so yeah it's it's a difficult one to kind of kind of see but I like being Sarah attention to so that kind of whole it's interesting as a teacher yeah which is yeah yeah I'm happy to do it but if it's like speaking at a wedding or something I'll get really nervous and those guys even anxious and yeah these kind of things like okay so the next couple of minutes gonna be about you so great appreciate that for a second but like ask

her any question see so you're like you Grant and Sam have gone to to urinate so if anyone anyone like to rip into the sort of yourself but policy like you're the kind of person that like it really I find it really hard when you're and like we have some cool like some cool honest conversation sometimes and I find it really hard when you're so down on yourself and so negative because you're such a king and like I don't like I don't say that just to blow smoke up your ass pump your tires up or

anything like that like I genuinely love the person you are I love that you're a part of my life and I love that you're like you're someone that so this is making really uncomfortable yeah deal with it but you're the kind of person who you're the kind of person who I like like I want to be like in a lot of respects like I want more people in my life to be like pulse like if everyone could just like be more be more pulse then the world would be a better place so well why do

you feel the need to beat yourself up around about things that whether you can control more you can't or or have those such high standards that you don't necessarily pump your own tires up like why do you feel the need to be that way or is that just you like I wish I could answer it because if I could answer it I'd probably wouldn't be in that situation I feel like I don't know it's something that might be ingrained into my personality in my DNA I'm not too sure as I said I've got extremely uncomfortable

when you were saying those things but I do appreciate the sentiment but I hate being that that center of attention and people talking to me I get really uncomfortable because I don't know what it is but it's it's something that I struggle with a great deal yeah and it's a it's a really important thing like like we're talking about before in terms of self-awareness to to know that like that's you and and be okay with that being you like and we're on to the next one mr. Simon Cooper sorry we're going with this we're still

in a podcast yes okay do you want to go coop first yeah okay optimus and pessimus click on I think I'm not just I would agree good times thanks I agree with Paul so I very high standards it's only Tommy as well like I feel like that I'm hard on myself if what I if the work I produce or if my effort is not to the stand that I wanted to be can I call bullshit on the high standards I'll give it something I've lost ends no the factory is now cave no no like on

the on the I have high standards so I'm gonna like treat myself like shit oh no but there's times where you and like policy and KP and Tommy might like have that negative self-talk or that inability to accept that you're not always gonna have those like reach those high standards and I think like I feel as though I am I'm the same as as you guys in certain aspects I've really really high standards and I expect like yeah you expect expect things of myself and I expect things of the people around me and my team

and yeah clients and things like that but if I don't meet them I kind of can go you know what that's okay I thought like here's why I didn't meet them here's why I didn't reach those expectations so rather than like beat myself up for lack of a better term tomorrow I'm just gonna make sure that I show up and smile and try and do better and I think that like we like we can have that negativity around not making not meeting our standards or we can have our have that optimism and positivity around me

it seems to be very cyclical yeah like I can feel myself getting into like it kind of negative kind of which is I feel it's a natural rhythm other people would disagree that that it's not natural and yeah I shouldn't feel that way and I kind of struggle with that kind of concept myself like but I know now the warning signs to be able to pull myself out of it a lot quicker than I used to so it's something that it's always a work in progress but KP had a question yeah she did oh I

was gonna ask Wallace for now change my mind double bell yeah Tommy what's been your favorite episode of the podcast what's your favorite it's time between two probably probably the second Georgie one because it's just George really why haven't you listened to your girlfriend's podcast you're a terrible what are they called those like cheek book guides the synopsis of the book that you read instead of reading the book in your blurb sounds great part of the like the joy of your relationship is that journey at the start and kind of like I totally understood when

we talk about this why do you like I don't want to listen to my brother going on a day with him yeah we go do something with it mm-hmm yeah that's good oh well she's awake well she's awake as you miss her so much maybe I don't know if he heard me or if you just repeated what I said it's not concentrating obviously favorite one I'm trying to divide his time this is really good yeah all right today it's all right so one of my favorite ones was with coach can I've been about eight no

I think I don't think it was top ten early ten I thought it was a little after anyway not important get um yeah I just took I took he's from it he's a very insightful person he goes deep yeah he's a good dude next yeah sort of thing kind of in either of you too wait Grant I can just feel as if not like on when you did the podcast in terms of like major events in your life I think we I think we went through it we did we did but pretty sure I started

every sentence with um but that's because I think you were absolutely cactus yeah I was pretty cactus we're doing you want to cooped I think did we not schedule it in to be the camera number 10 if anyone's wondering but carry on yeah didn't we we should do it in button the shit out of me and I'm like this boy I was bugging the shit out of you two measures hey do you want to do this like yeah sure what about Thursday I'm just very far behind in what I was doing but we opened the

same days that's what I got I think two weeks after that I realized that I wasn't running at full capacity and I had adrenal fatigue and we talked about you not looking after yourself before pretty much yeah I'm getting there slowly I think we're working on where it where we've made lips and yes we have was yes we have that was that was where I realized that I was just so naked and I still haven't listened I won't listen to my and I don't refuse to but the time to make something happen you don't do

it it won't happen so you just have to do it sometimes and then J road cue yeah good so it's all worthwhile right cuz you guys are making your own beer and everything now yeah good Tommy thoughts we are there yet still I really liked um Maddie and coop I think both of those like legitimately we're both buddy Tilly Tilly tell her that I think well I'll say it now cuz I tell her all the time but Maddie's actually excellent and just can you repeat that one more time no no she's excellent what she does

and she doesn't really give herself enough credit and anytime I can I try and put up Maddie because she's really good at what she does he's a really good coach and I would happily get coached by a recommended at everyone so human yeah and it was really good to see like she's good at a lot of stuff outside of coaching and yeah yeah has done some interesting things and it's good to see that side of her as well and then same with Coop black didn't know a lot of the stuff that he'd done before it

was a furnace like yeah it was really good to see kind of how they got to vertice and what happened for what kind of shaped them into who they are now and how they coach and how they act the way they act that's cool yeah I love the um I've listened to a few I did a quick impromptu trip to New Zealand had a high car and listen about five vertice podcasts on my way from Lake Taupo to Auckland it was beautiful the audio or the visual it's actually it's weird so now whenever I see

Simon Cooper I see the rolling hills it's amazing I'm not even lying and it was you know it's definitely I loved Jeremy Dooley oh man hey just well not only did he have a fascinating sort of story to tell yeah like no doubt a really insightful and probably quite an intelligent kind of human bear but really approached it from a relatively unorthodox sort of way like from you know his beginnings as a sort of a bit of a ruffian kind of outcast Brody yeah Brody Brody kid through to sort of what he's managed to achieve

I found I felt it was really inspirational and it gave me a bit of an insight maybe into the the elite culture that you sort of experienced when you were with Colin with lucky and kind of it made a lot of senses that you are now I felt so Mitch Rose just rolled in what a man go chairman pull pull it up we're just talking about our favorite pockets nice cold j-roads pal-el yeah doors is doors is someone who I I frustratingly didn't get to know as well as I would have liked for a big

chunk of the time he was that kind of like it wasn't that pause for a long time but like being able to connect with him and realize the kind of person he was like he's taught me so much about about growth and team and the importance of any importance of loving what you do and actually have like having a purpose and meaning and things like that and like he's back in Melbourne now so I probably should get him on for a for a second one because he's the kind of person that comes up fairly regularly

in there in the favorite podcast or like moments of the last 51 and a half episodes and yeah that that story of him talking through his experiences at the all the stuff that happened in Melbourne that day is just I didn't know no beforehand and like like it was just crazy being across the room yeah so I can't remember what episode it was but with Jeremy Dooley he was one of the first responders on the scene to that guy in the Commodore who ran down a bunch of people down Burke Street so he talked through

that and that was kind of the he'd worked a lot for the reach foundation early on and that was kind of the straw that broke the heavens back to get him to like change things up and and move up to Sydney and jump back in with the reach foundation so he's back in Melbourne now which is which is super exciting so yeah hopefully I'll get him on on soon for another episode Roy what's been your favorite episode apart from episode 31 with with that performance cage meet you there 51's a lot of episodes like yeah

it's been just been chucking me in week after week contributing to making people better all over the world without shaking and kissing babies I liked grants the best grant was just talking about how rubbish it was so can you feel the sink is I thought it was really good even though like he was a little under the weather depleted it's a great word that's cool yeah and that's like something that like obviously most of the guys in the room now people that I've known for a long time but like Tommy was early on we were

getting to know each other when the podcast was starting and and Sammy kind of same deal and grant like I didn't know you before the podcast like I was like these guys doing awesome stuff I love beer I need to like figure out a way to catch up with these guys and the podcast is kind of just like a really easy medium to get to know you guys it was a great first day yeah and you gave it to me you'll get there are we you'll get there you coach the coach okay coach the level

that's for sure but like I don't know I just think it's a really really cool that a medium like this and something that like was just me kind of doing something I said I would do anyway I've been able to create an environment where I can meet people like you and become you welcome you did keep telling me to focus with him I think I picked you up from a Crittenden winery once upon a time what early on like years ago I think I did I don't remember it yeah you were cactus okay I genuinely

I genuinely think it was you but like to now go from I didn't know you when I started this thing and like it's just a simple medium but now you're someone that I talk to every day even if you're bitching about how tight your hips are or how tired you are because you haven't got any sleep or how tight his sleeves are now he's actually done some bicep curls yeah sorry for making you a better human yeah you're welcome has anyone not answered their favorite podcast question what was yours Benny Benny Hogan oh mate the

reason why I like this so much is because it was about business which what I related to it the most and what I deal with with my directors it's shows you that so many people can come from different works of life to find their passion yeah it doesn't matter how old you are what's going on with your lifestyle how much shit you deal with you know if you've got that passion so I do you wanna make that move it's fucking possible yes what about it and the fact that he's done some really cool shit at

the same time yeah yeah like I was the kind of person that like I obviously didn't know very well until he started actually working comfort fully but he's someone who's like I don't think I've ever met someone who has enough as much time for everyone he meets as hoax like he's just the nicest most genuine like I said you were the nice much genuine human toges is the top two most nicest and most genuine he genuinely loves you too it's weird it's the best I love it no one me toes yeah and and and leaves

worse off oh that's that's if you get your name wrong Georgia fit with Georgia on Instagram get around it Tommy Turlock loves her apparently yeah that'd be the most amazing thing about she's in the play going I really miss Tommy but very very Hogan like he has so much time for like everyone around him and like so much time for vertice and things like that and I appreciate him immensely one thing I do question though is his choice of magazines like he's got three episodes of a aircraft commerce on his desk the Journal for commercial

aircraft business issue once once six three months I'm going to open up to a random page oh really so this is page 34 the structure of rotable support programs an increasing number of airlines are swapping the traditional system of owning managing and maintaining their inventories of rotable components for all-inclusive power by the hour packages paid at fixed rates how do someone read this like for someone that's like not the most not a lot smarter than oh he's just he must be so intelligent so cheers to him for keeping everyone safe at tiger for so long

and just our and jet star and Qantas and said firm for making feel about Filipino Airlines what it is today so shout out sir it's been Hogan I think I haven't answered which one's my favorite this one have you answered yeah what's yours been your favorite cuz you listen to everyone and the supportive partner you are I have not listened to everyone well you didn't listen to Sammy kex that's for sure it you're like you listen to the intro um my favorite one mine's completely different to everyone else's my favorite ones Kira wheels ooh the

one with the knee just because of trainees yep she only has two knees she's done three ACLs yeah I played netball and yeah it was just really interesting that as a cuz I play netball myself and is hearing like her story on her journey and how determined she was to go back to it and I just found it really interesting and I was I could imagine it picture it as she was explaining how she did a name like I was driving I remember I was cringing I was like oh poor thing yeah yeah no she

explained it really well and she yeah I really I found that I shared that one a lot to my whole netball club and she's still playing which is pretty cool I saw her a couple weeks ago yeah I'm gonna give you guys my favorite I think tell me still thinking the most I've taken out of today is probably the one with Mark Simpson hey I really enjoyed that he spoke with such clarity to me that I just was able to make some connections with what he'd been through and what I've kind of similarly faced fellow

elite endurance athlete he was a much more elite than I was early I think thanks but yeah just some of the stuff he said really resonated with me and I've taken taking a lot of that on board and I love the quote in the morning when the day yeah that's that was unless that's not you you don't have to be a morning person right Oh win the win the afternoon it's something of like the favorite episode things a weird one for me because like of of gain value from everything which is like a really cliche

answer but it's true so shut up but but the episode that I think I left like the episode I left I walked out of and like I I seriously wanted to like I felt like I could run through a brick wall was probably Pat Petichini's like it was 36 ish around that mark I sat down with Pat and she's someone who I coach and someone I admire as a client and as her best family member and she's kind of been one of those people and mums who's done everything and done some amazing like had amazing

adventures and gave me a kick up the bum to finally get to Patagonia and little things like that and she was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease and and to see and to hear how it affected her and how she was able to kind of just like pull herself up and and make sure she kept showing up every day and doing the things she needed to do and finding the that inner strength to keep being that awesome mom to support her family and water like a new new granddaughter and like I've cried on like maybe five or

six podcasts but that was one like a properly cried like like I remember like tears like dripping down my face onto the table which were like I don't like I'd really appreciated her honesty and her openness in that moment and to hear about like like to give you a picture like the kind of person she is she she had a little accident while she was sailing a couple of weeks ago she crunched herself into into the dock as they were coming into dock and she she bruised a bunch of a couple of her ribs and

bruised some intercostal muscles and didn't break anything but I spoke to her a couple of days after and she's like oh I'll have a couple of weeks off and take it easy and I was going oh yeah sure you will and then a couple of days later I hear that she's in Nusa sailing again just because she she already had a trip planned and well it'd be inconvenient to not do that and it's just a crazy human someone that like so like when I like if I get to being like having experienced as much life

as she has to be able to still love every minute like she does like that's that's ultimate for me and then I followed that podcast with Rick Mirabella which a few of you guys would know of runners fame and he's kind of the most one of the most optimistic and often about people in the world so I saved safe yeah safe to say 6 p.m. BGT that night was fairly intense I was I was riding on a high for a little bit so where do you see the podcast in the future? Oh great question! I was going to ask all you guys that.

Go segway. Go segway. I don't know where do you guys like I'll answer in a minute but where do you guys think I should take it because like it started out as well I probably should do it because I've been telling myself I should do it it's like quick quick episode let's do 52 weeks because you know what a year sounds like a good amount of time and 52 is probably everyone's favorite number being my Collingwood number but yeah once you get 52 you're gonna email Joe Rogan ask him to do a podcast and say

he's the reason why you started yeah I think you should do that I'm gonna do that so yeah so that was like Joe Rogan's the reason I started this thing well one of the reasons and I am gonna I'm going to send him an email and say hey mate this is what I did if he doesn't hit if this is what I did I'd love to come over and have like five minutes of your time obviously in Australia we're a fairly fair way away so hopefully you see ten minutes but I think I just think

that's that's a he's kind of person that would think that that was it would be maybe a cool commitment to make to jump on a plane and fly over overseas I might have to borrow some money if you guys but we'll work on that Mitchell people our sponsor yeah so that so obviously that that's a like a selfish like me reason of why of a little I guess you could call it a reward for hitting the goal but where do you guys think I should take it in terms of episode 53 and onwards actually already

recorded episode 53 so sorry there's a lot more normal people who have stories to tell I don't think you have to change the concept maybe you're still fulfilling the reason why you set out to do in the first place then why stop yeah oh cool that was a simple answer oh I talked about I talked about it in the intro to today's podcast which I recorded this like this arvo because I figured I wouldn't be able to get a word out with you guys talking about spades and digging holes and stuff dig up dig up

can you dig up that's the fucking point the symptoms is good to begin with but like my new goal is 100 podcast some of them are like a couple you guys and maybe some different people and and talk about certain topic or talk about a bunch of different topics dive into things that are going on and you know like one with you two about recruiting staff could be cool like I really could spend a couple hours talking about that so yeah I guess the only the only really real requirement for me is that I keep

enjoying it if I keep enjoying it then I'll keep doing it if I keep doing it then and know that I love doing it and the value will come forever on the lessons I guess the only thing I asked for everyone that does listen is pump it up like get around it like get around it like grants got around Jenny Road tonight I think it's the I think it's important to be I think it's important to be your own biggest fan so so yeah I don't I'm really proud of what I've done I'm really proud

of every single guest I've had on some have been a lot easier to get on than others and it's been cool to see people get out of that comfort zone and just like be honest and I think it's conversation and things like this mediums like this don't exist enough and I think if we can actually stop and sit down and put our phones down and you need to listen put our phones down shut it like like shut our laptops and just actually have conversations and and I don't mean force conversations like they're meaningful yeah meaningful

conversations like I think I think sometimes like we're better off just being on our phones and letting ourselves chill out and disconnect from daily life and just be brain dead for an hour or so on our laptop or on our phone or in front of Netflix or whatever I think that's really important as well so I think being able to identify the time to stop and have like an actual conversation with someone and not try and force it and just have the like have a conversation or a talk because you genuinely want to know more

or want to learn more or want to challenge your own views because like there's certainly like Tommy and Sammy have been two big advocates of two advocates two people who have challenged my beliefs on like religion and things like that and even like I still think it's batshit crazy but there's certain aspects of it that I appreciate a lot more now because of having those conversations so again I did say batshit crazy but like I like the fact you could say that in front of them and then have that oh I like but that's the

thing like you know you went to a better place my Adams went back into the earth and repeated the one time as well as well what have you got I know we've talked about this half a master's full bachelors actual diploma lots of little courses what does happen when we die holy shit grant Rogers Jenny Road pain what happens when we die I think that's a topic for a podcast that's another I want to hear like soundbite answer go do what you can I'm gonna drink baby for the next six months so you didn't ask for advice from mrs.

but you took a pinhead so what does happen I honestly don't know and nor do I care well what do I do is it Jim Jeffries when you're dead you're fucking dead so who cares it doesn't matter but no I mean I'm intrigued but I don't know that's a good answer Sammy I'm very intrigued well it's actually kind of funny cuz I know I know the main grant come from a really good point of view but I'm but I'm almost the same way I'm intrigued but I don't know like that I think that no that's

the difference between well in my opinion is there's people that I completely one way and completely other huh yeah they don't want to hear it but if you admit admit the fact that you don't know like yeah okay behind it oh wait I'd love to believe in it I love the fundamentals and the principles behind it but then I honestly don't know but I'm not a fundamental sort of person and so though I have like a religious sort of belief and it's funny too because in the past like I'd try and maybe you said a

cop out thing which is a very religious thing you say which is like I'm not religious I'm spiritual I'm open to it kind of there being more but like in the end it is yeah but like but ultimately I'm not a black and white person so I'm not a fundamentalist and I am pretty open to things being very different from what I expect but um but I do strongly believe for a few reasons partly because I studied like science and in particular like evolutionary biology and I love it and the philosophy of science I realized

we've got so far to go in terms of what humans are capable of knowing and also learning and that excites me I think there's a lot of people out there who think we know way more than we do and we don't and another part of me is like well I just potentially I'll just go to that statement but carry on but then there's another part of me that is um that's that's really excited about the value that um the entertaining sort of my existential belief in sort of the other kind of brings to my life

and I think you might add your bets I guess yeah well it's not even so much that because like simply like genuinely like I mean I could be absolutely wrong and it's not really about hedging your bets and like I've talked a lot of Christians and this is true and probably the same with Muslims and Buddhists and anyone else with a fundamental belief they can't some people like I did have a fear I'm just really terrified of dying and going to hell or being reincarnated as I don't know like an amoeba or something and that's

kind of like that's a really tough but it's really I think that's a really shit way to live and I don't think that you necessarily need to base your morality of a religious belief I think there's a lot of value and I mean shit anyone in book club and lucky you've read sapiens there's a lot of value to what humans capacity to kind of elaborate on an idea on a concept and kind of communally agree to head in a certain direction that's not really based in you know like atoms and molecules yeah and it's what's

separated us from other other species and I think that it would be premature to throw the baby out of the bathwater and I'm very very comfortable sitting in a place of uncertainty yeah but I'm also happy moving forward in that uncertainty with with a sense of confidence that you know things are gonna be okay and that it's okay to kind of pursue something even if that ends up you know leaving you somewhere you didn't expect to go I certainly wouldn't write anything off Tommy how can you follow that really yeah I think that I want

to follow kp thoughts okay well you know I just got that on video which she was not they're the most expensive metallic coaster so you don't have an opinion on what happens when you die I believe that something happens but I don't know what but I would like to believe that something happens I wouldn't like to believe that it's just the end yeah I'll actually believe that like my grandma and like other people who have passed away are still out there somewhere this could go for another round but why why why do you wish that

or want that to happen I don't know it's just what I've grown up like you guys gonna hate but my so my mom has like she's seen grandma and yeah like my sister has said things like when she was a toddler that toddlers don't say and like I know just people my family done Ouija boards and like believing in little parts of it yeah that is but it's a good way to finish this one policy it's probably the most pessimistic thing I don't think anything happened nothing I think nothing I'm Bernie put me in the

ground Jenny Road Jenny Road summer summer 2019 merge get around it so carry all your business eggs right you do you know I don't care what she thinks talking about sound bites I'm gonna cut that up I'm gonna edit the focus for the first time ever and save that little bit let me get you my shovel I tend to agree with what's been said I don't know what's gonna happen I come from really a religious family so and I consider myself Christian but I'm still figuring out what I believe and what I what I think

is going to happen I don't I'm not ruling anything out I I guess I just I am still figuring out what I think and taking lots of different opinions lots of facts and lots of I guess things that aren't based in fact and I'm sure I'll form an opinion at some point when you did maybe maybe just you know I won't like for me I personally don't have an opinion for say it's not something that I've like actively thought about it but until like ten minutes ago yeah I'm kind of like half density between policies

answer and KP's answer because at the end of the day yeah you did you go and get up you finished you got this you're in the ground you burn you fucked up my family's my family and I like my family I'd love to see them again personally but at the same time you're going you did this is me thinking five minutes now like this is the first thought about it good I love that it's nice to it's nice to be able to think that there is something after yeah but very poetic thank you not my

words but that maybe that's just optimistic and based in follow us in fiction yeah maybe it's false hope like my life like my family like my friends I'm gonna want to see them for forever and forever and forever but again at the end of the day you go what you want to say me the silver makka last night Mitchell it's a 62 segment with me I never ever ever even thought anything like that at all no I like that I'm not at a stage in my life where that's on the front of my mind well

hope you don't die soon oh that's amazing you got to change that you better spool title all right come on oh no I like it's the it's the cool thing about it like you might think that I'm gonna be completely different to like your views and things like that but my first my first answer is that I have no fucking clue right and I think that anyone that that is any more sure of the answer than that is a little naive and I think that my like maybe it's hopes maybe it's assumptions whatever it doesn't

really matter like I would love to think there's something else like I would love to think there's a there's a high power and there's more to it then and there is and I think all I can all I can base my answer on is what I know and what I'm aware of now and like I'm sure 12 months ago 24 months ago 36 months ago would have been three different answers but right now I kind of sit and think and I'm like I just can't understand how with what I know and this cool thing because

we don't fucking know anything and I think that you're spot-on and that we as a species think that we understand a lot more than we actually do but in saying that we understand the significantly more than we did last year or five years ago or ten years ago so like I I think we'll figure it out eventually but in terms of what happens I tend to agree with Neil deGrasse Tyson's answer which is very much to the tune of we end up as as a as matter which goes back to the which it goes back

to the earth and now Adams carry on and complete another circle and but in terms of like my my soul if I'm gonna use a word like that which I think is just consciousness or subconscious or whatever I think that ceases to exist I would love to think that it doesn't but I think at the end of the day yeah it's just that's it butts off and the next generation and things like that moves on with with with life and then they go through exactly the same thing I think we overvalue our importance in this

world and I think our insignificance our significance is what while like them our insignificance is the most important thing about us as a species and I think our ability to become what we are as a species just comes from lots of luck and lots of circumstance and and things like that so all right it's an interesting one is something that I am really looking forward to finding out in the hundred fifty two hundred years when I do finally pass away and on that note what does it run a home think leave us a subscribe we

hope you like listening to it if you are someone that think you've got a story to tell if you're just new no human or do you know normal people can you invite some excellent like amazing people yeah like my head blow your mind yeah he's on my list I left the center that's good why do you say that at the intro of your pocket because everyone has a story to tell what's normal to me is it what's no what a blank is no no what a grant all right sure thanks on that note just you

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