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Boys and girls, we are back here for another episode of the Virtus Podcast, I'm here with Tyler Frost who's out of the interview chair today and into the interviewee chair. Into the hot seat, backing up a tough act to follow with Greg Day who was really really articulate and was able to get his point across quite well and clearly and intelligently. So what you're saying is there's going to be a drop in quality today? I hope there's not too much of a dip, I remember Greg said, he mentioned how he was able to portray things
so clearly and intelligently because he's had time to reflect and reflect on what his experiences are and his learnings and he's able to articulate them so well whereas I probably haven't had that space to do that yet. This is true, so learning experience, opportunity, opportunity to see how you articulate yourself and then listen to it back and room for improvement and that's why we're here. So plan for today is I'm going to interview Tyler, we've got the new slightly adjusted video set up so for those watching, if you don't like it let us know, tell us, give us some feedback.
But we're just going to try a few things, that's what we're here for, this is just an experiment of goodness, of good stuff. And for those just listening, nothing changes. Nothing changes at all, we're still here, we're just talking about the video which we probably shouldn't be doing. So Tyler, plan for today, I just want to get to know you and I want the Virtus family to get to know you because I'm fortunate enough to have gotten to know you over the last couple of years and it's been glorious. My life is richer for having known you but I feel as though the rest of the Virtus family needs to know about the boy from Hamilton.
Yeah, nervous about this one, like I wasn't nervous before any other podcast but now that you're talking about yourself, I don't know why I'm so nervous about it. Let's get frosty. First question for you, let's peel back the layers, what gets Tyler Frost out of bed in the morning? Right now, just a pursuit to get better and grow and just be, it's just the most cliche thing you could ever say but the best version of myself you could be and I almost hate to say that because it is so cliche and done to death but
like I said on an earlier podcast, if you're not trying to get better and pursuing growth and every day, there might be days where you're not getting better for whatever reason but if that general trend isn't going upwards then what are you doing with your life? If you're getting worse, you're dying. If you're not growing, you're dying and this is true and I guess, Tyler and I just got back from presenting at a school and one of the girls who was a little bit obnoxious throughout the presentation was talking a lot, came up and apologised for talking a lot and she said I'm sorry, I'm just not motivated like you two.
What is it that drives that inner desire to get better and in a desire to improve and grow that maybe some people haven't found yet or don't necessarily have or haven't experienced? It's really funny because people think we're ultimately so motivated but really we're not. We struggle to get out of bed too. I struggle to find the motivation to train and even sometimes get up at 5.30am and go to work and do my job which I do love and I hate saying that because it makes me sound like I hate my job which I don't
but yeah, we're just like normal human beings that struggle to do that every now and then and that all ties back to me wanting to become a better version of myself so every choice you make is going to take you closer to or further away from the person that you want to be and I'm just ultra aware of that so I just know doing hard things is going to take me closer to who I want to be so it's not easy to go to the gym and train, it's not easy to get up at 5.30am,
it's not easy to go to bed early, it's much easier to watch Netflix or YouTube for three, four hours but I've just cultivated that awareness of what makes me feel good and that's through years and years and years of making the wrong decisions and realising that they make me feel like shit. That's years and years of, especially at uni, going out three times a week and realising how shit that made me feel and almost doing an audit of the foods I was eating, the content I was consuming and realising what made me feel bad, what made me feel good and then fine-tuning that over the last few years.
It's almost an oversimplification of how to live your life is like do the things that make you feel good and don't do the things that make you feel shit but the human condition is that we lean into the stuff that does it. And sometimes the stuff that makes you feel good in the short term doesn't make you feel good like doing an ice bath, having a cold shower, training, it's short term pain but it's long term making you feel good. Hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life. Yeah, that's something we touched on with the kids.
One of my favourite quotes. So you touched on not being like that your whole life. Can you think back to a time when you started to maybe reflect and build some awareness around things that weren't serving you and that ultimately allowed you to build this mindset and headspace that you have today? COVID was a really, really big catalyst for that because that ultimately took away something like I couldn't go out and spend my money and do dumb things and make myself feel like shit. So that was a really big catalyst and it gave me all
this free time to audit my life and figure out what made me feel good, what was taking me closer to who I wanted to be and what was taking me further away from that. Yeah, so as much as we like to look at COVID as a bad thing, I am really, really grateful for COVID. Yeah, and I think pretty much everyone can look back now and COVID threw up a whole heap of different things for different people but pretty much everyone, and this is probably true for all struggles and difficult hardships in life, is you
look back afterwards and go yeah, that sucked but this is what it taught me, here's what I learnt, here's how my life is better for this and you can almost be grateful that COVID happened. Yeah, literally every single bad thing that's happened in my life, which really isn't bad at all, cruciest life ever, but what at the time seemed like the worst thing ever, I look back on as being awesome and a great blessing to what's happened to me. Yeah, I looked like, not bad things at all, but a couple of pivotal things like the
car I was going to buy my first car crashed the night before, the gym we were going to sign a lease on, we called up to say yeah, we're in and then they were like sorry, someone else has just leased it and there's 15 different things that I can pinpoint and go that sucked at the time, but ultimately it was the best thing. So if you're going through hard times, if you've got something in your road, just know that as Ryan Holiday would say, the obstacle is the way. Actually, yeah, for myself, like midway through uni, didn't know what the hell I wanted to do.
I was in a teaching degree that I sort of half wanted to do, half didn't want to do. Breakups with partners over the past couple of years, a couple of years ago, at the time they seem like the hardest things ever, but like that's where the growth comes from. You always get through it, yeah. All of the hard times, where growth comes from, do you, tell me about, because you grew up, didn't grow up around here, where did you grow up, what did Tyler's childhood, four and a half years look like, four and a half hours from Virta, that's a long way away.
In Hamilton, that's where I spent 18 years of my life, a lot of people think it's the middle of nowhere, it's not the middle of nowhere, it's actually a little bit in Hamilton, it's about 10 or so thousand people, fair few schools, got all the take away shops, we've got Maccas, we've got a Subway, we've got a KFC, got a Hungry Jacks, you know you're around the sticks, like the edge of the sticks, where your claim to fame is we have all of the major takeaways. We've got them all, we've got a nightclub that COVID
ruins, but it's been really refreshing to sort of get away from that and be in a place where I don't know a single person and don't have, I was going to say a single support network to lean on would do at Virtus, but like. It didn't start out that way. No, because in Hamilton, as much as I love to pay it out and bag it out, it was a pretty good place to grow up where everyone just knows each other, like it's just its own little world I guess, but yeah it has been so refreshing because it's good to, I think the best growth happens when you are away from what you know.
Yeah, so out of your comfort zone so to speak, if we're rolling on cliches today, and that's essentially what Hamilton is to me, it's a nice little comfort zone where I know everyone and it's where I've spent the majority of my life. What was Tyler like at high school? Oh, you don't want to know. Would you have been like the pain in the ass kid that we have in our school programs? Just like intelligent, obnoxious, good at sport, just like you can kind of tell they're extroverted and just having fun, but kind of taking the piss a little bit.
It was pretty switched, I went through primary school really, really, really switched on and doing good with my studies and as soon as I got to high school that just, and I was still really good with my studies, still pretty intelligent but just didn't try and I wasn't a very naughty kid, didn't do evil bad things, but it was just annoying and probably part of that is just all a part of that struggle to sort of try and fit in and just sort of find your groove, be cool so you just do dumb shit. So
that probably lasted all the way up to year 12 really, even in year 12 I was just a little, little arsehole essentially and I was doing a health and PE course for two years at uni and I would have hated to have someone like me in the class. So what was your transition from pain in the arse kid in year 12 through to the uni system, what did you study because you obviously shifted a few times, what was it like moving from Hamilton to Ballarat, you know effectively the big smoke if you're going from 10,000 people to...
That's it, we thought it would because I had a few friends that went with me to Ballarat so essentially I had a whole support network to lean on while I was there so it wasn't much of a move at all. So my whole life I've had some sort of support network to lean on like in Hamilton, I had family then your close friends, moved to Ballarat uni, you've got your friends that have come there with you then you're in res and you have all these other people that have moved from their hometowns to this foreign
place so you've got all these people to lean on whereas moving here, everyone's support networks, relationships are already established and you're almost the odd one out, I've never been the new guy so that's sort of something that's been really really daunting for me. What drove you to make that change, obviously there were the career opportunities and things like that but you need to have that internal drive and confidence and belief that things are going to be okay, what was the thing that made you take that leap? So a man called Cam Elliott that used to
work here a while ago, he did some consulting down in Ballarat, I think it was the time I had a bit of a cooked back and he like blew my mind with how good he was and I'm a big believer that you're the average of the five people you surround yourself the most with so I wanted to get better at being a coach, being a human being and ultimately create the life I wanted for myself so I needed to surround myself with people that were doing that and I'd followed Virtus on social media for a
long long time, sort of in the background since 2016/17 and then realised Cam did some coaching at this joint so he ultimately left but then I realised if Cam's coaching at this joint then the other guys that are coaching there, they must be alright too, reached out, did the internship and yeah loved it and once the 12 weeks of that finished I was satisfied but also unsatisfied, I really really wanted more so I'd sort of levelled up as much as I could level up in Ballarat, I'd sort of reached my peak but was still unsatisfied
so for me to I guess beat the next boss and go to the next level I had to move to Mornington where I didn't know anyone, didn't have any support networks to lean on and surround myself with people that were five times better than me, like there's that saying if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room, I'm sometimes sitting with you and Greg and Mitch and I feel like a dumbass but that's the best way to be, I feel the same way, I've been so uncomfortable and challenged and also working
with Red Hill Footy Club which we'll touch on later like I've never really had a team sport role like that so again I'm working with these blokes that are bigger than me, stronger than me, better at footy than me and again right out of the comfort zone but that's just where the best growth happens because if you're not being challenged you're not growing, if you're not growing you're ultimately dying. Love that, so let's go back to uni for a bit, so one why did you go to uni, two why did you choose the course you did and then what ultimately impacted your shift in careers to then get to this point where you are now?
Answer to both those questions because that's just the story I told myself for ten years of being a kid and growing up. That you were going to go to uni? I'm going to go to uni, yeah I just thought that's what you did. If I had my time again I actually probably would and not for the education side of things, I don't think uni is the gold standard of education which it really really should be and which everyone thinks it is but for the networking side of things and for the relationship development and the personal development side of things and just the life experience ultimately yeah education wise not so much.
Yeah I think education wise can differ based off your tutors and the lecturers you have and things like that and you know you get fresh new and not even necessarily new but excited active lifelong learners as your lecturers and like uni from an education perspective it's brilliant but if you get the ones that are just doing a PhD and need to tutor then all the ones that are old and grumpy or jaded because they've been in the industry a long time you get those kind of lecturers and you're like oh fuck this is bullshit I'm
not learning anything here and I think because that's an interesting one like some people will be like you don't need to go to uni which you definitely don't other people will be like you have to go to uni. The way I look at it is uni taught me a lot of things that I wouldn't have learned if I didn't go to uni and they're not you're right they're not necessarily the nuts and bolts of the SNC it's not necessarily better basics of biology and chemistry and things that I probably wouldn't have gone on my own
it gives you that foundational knowledge that then you can build on yeah and just a lot of life and social things to like learning how to meet new friends because you essentially in my case growing up in Hamilton essentially haven't done that since I was in prep and year seven that was the last time I met new people so you're essentially a whole different person than you were when you're in year seven and grade prep so you get to meet all these new people and that's been the same moving here to have got to meet
new people because probably still a little bit of that little shit when I was first year of uni so again with a new skill set almost new personality new persona you get to meet different people yeah I look yeah I look at uni is like social element was brilliant and like almost a learning how to learn like learning like journal articles exist and you know yeah research exists and this is how it works and okay well this is a part of it but then also you know the practical element of it so so you're just
from a timeline perspective you went to uni when 2016 that was straight out of school and I'd always told myself I was going to have a gap year too like whenever the conversation comes when you're in year 12 you'll get asked a thousand times what are you going to do and a thousand times 999 times I answered I'm going to go to now I'm going to have a gap year yeah I'm going to earn some money and then I don't know I actually don't know what made me change my mind but I did so I
planned on going to uni and then was like I want a year off and then ended up doing my CERT 3 and 4 and then went oh shit I'm going to be studying because I didn't want to study all year because I was playing stingrays and footy and stuff and I was like I want to be a football player and I realized that CERT 3 and 4 was more contact hours than uni but you didn't go straight into an exercise science degree did you no I did two years of health and PE teaching again that
just ties back into the story I told myself and told everyone else for the 10 years I'm just going to be a PE teacher and that's probably because of the mentors and PE teachers that I had growing up and throughout high school I really really liked the way they did things and I just saw myself really flourishing in that role and being a good mentor to kids which again I guess I still am yeah you just do that in a different way I just hate that I was so confined to a curriculum that I not
so much didn't agree with but I just didn't like being confined to a curriculum and within the school environment yeah so I guess now with our school programs I can do things my way teach what I want and what we feel kids actually need which we did today at Cornish yep shout out yeah which was a bit of fun and then what made you because like I don't know I'm a big believer that if you quit your job to move from another job or quit your course to move to another course that you can't lose
because you either go oh fuck that was what I should have been doing or you go oh so glad I'm doing something different now that's it yeah because at the time I was doing a little bit of PT work in Hamilton so yeah so you already started pretty much myself and all my other uni friends that I met we all went back home to our hometowns pretty much 85% of weekends and I'd go back home and work as a PT at a gym Vitality Health and Fitness in Hamilton in year 12 I did my cert
3 smart as a part of my VCE yep and that's where I sort of got my first test of the industry and in my social media in my Instagram all I followed was all these different SMC accounts so Christian Woodford is a really really big one and it was a big influence early and all these different accounts like Virtus this one any gym any SMC facility any coach I followed him and that's just where I've got my education from and then realized halfway through my second year that I didn't really care about becoming a better
teacher all I cared about was becoming a better PT a better coach so that's when I made this I was going to step away for a whole year in 2018 yeah because a senior PT at the gym I was coaching at coaching at PT in Hamilton stepped away so I stepped into his gym manager role which I was severely severely it's a good way to learn it's good little it's a good little stretch yeah and then also realized I'm gonna be missing out on all these uni nights and all these fun experiences with my uni
friends so torn like I'm so unequipped for this gym manager role I'm gonna miss my friends I'm gonna miss out on all these social experiences so I ultimately did part-time uni in Ballarat yep part-time team manager in Ballarat in Hamilton so I was back and forth between the two once a week every week for like six months no wonder the Falcon died you were just pumping Ks into it each week and murdering it and it was a little bit of that um what's it called use your words when you know a little bit you think
you know a lot and when you're done in Kruger effect yeah they're done in Kruger so it was a bit of that so I had I'd got a little bit of a taste of some you know some Christian Woodford workshops and you know some education of highly qualified coaches from my Instagram feed yeah thought I knew hate the old Instagram probably compared to a lot of other smaller PTs yeah around my area around my area I'll probably was a bit better but was nowhere near yeah good enough so I needed to go back to uni
and continue to pursue that growth to become a better PT and a better coach yep beautiful and then you spent your exercise science degree so how long did you spend in uni total five years five years beautiful which wouldn't wouldn't it was a long time but had a blast yeah yeah you got got best of both worlds right you are you had the fun you had the fun getting pissed times yeah with also the realization of like okay yeah this doesn't last forever and this isn't conducive to the person you want to be yeah what
did what did you like your work uni balance look like throughout those years in terms of coaching and because you bounced into a few different gyms few different roles ultimately just doing the band and bare minimum of work uni at uni and also work to fund my uni lifestyle of getting pissed and doing whatever else and yeah loves not not doing loves appear not doing much study yeah yeah and ultimately eventually put the pieces together and realized how shit that made me feel and then as I said threat was there a moment was changes just
a gradual just got worse and worse and worse and I don't want to say mental health stuff bad but like just realize yeah shitty yeah you're feeling and how shitty your health is yeah yeah you're not doing things that are fulfilling you you just sort of almost wasting your days yeah you make some changes so do you think that and this is you know a little bit of a sideways question but do you think the health consciousness you have now and the desire to you know do all the little things around like what you're eating
what you're putting in your body drinking water saunas ice bars all that kind of stuff do you think that's an overcorrection of those three or four years where you just like yeah totally load it up totally yeah and in that pursuit of health which we might dive into later which is what I did last year we had covered again like ultra dived into health for like three four months and I think the stress of dialing on health so much actually fucked my health even more and actually saw as that for like this is so relevant
I saw a funny meme an hour ago today and there's no picture with it like if you're listening there's gonna be no picture but the pictures not really relevant anyway it's just like the caption on the picture biohack is making their health 15% worse from the stress of wasting 95% of their time and energy on gimmicks that might make their health 1% better which is ultimately what I did to myself like but it's a great learning experience to go through right like one of the one of my earlier mentors was Mark Buckley from FMA and
he's one of the things he used to say was you can't give what you haven't gotten you can't share what you haven't experienced so to you know you don't have to have done the thing that you're helping the person through but if you've gone through you know that regimented health regime or you've rehabbed from an injury or you've experienced a powerlifting me or whatever it is or you've played football on a Saturday and you know and run run your guts out like having experience that gives you the perspective as a coach to be able to
say hey here's what I here's what my experience was here's what I think and then you kind of give your athlete or the client you're coaching the space to then explore it themselves with your experience as well so you almost get them they get to you know make the mistake without having to make the mistake totally and that's one of my big coaching or programming philosophies I'll never program something that I haven't done before because how can I like expect to know what my athletes feeling going through when they're trying to learn execute the movement
when I haven't done it myself yeah yeah if how would you if you could if we just just met and elevated pitch me your coaching philosophy what would it be I was actually sort of thinking about this the other day and sort of have been thinking about it over the past couple of months just empowering people to you know do what they want with their bodies so it just giving them back their health trying to eradicate fear trying to eradicate any fear or preconceptions that they may have yeah no no movement is bad movement like
if I could teach people one thing it'd be don't stop moving like do some sort of movement at all times because I stopped running for seven years and it as cooks me trying to start running again back playing footy yeah lower shanky shoes which has been my legs are cooked favorite thing to say over the last few weeks like don't stop doing movement like it's just gonna be so much harder to get back you're a coach the epitome of health and well-being in the epitome of knowing how to look after yourself why are you sore
and tired because I was still strength training and doing mobility and doing all this other stuff but just wasn't running and now I'm cooked yeah and again and I think you know like not to not to steal an answer your question but almost like the goal of a gym training goal of a training program in the gym outside the gym whatever the way I look at it should be to build capacity to do all the cool shit you want to do yeah and you know if potentially playing going back to playing football or you know
playing golf when you're older or running a marathon or you know going hiking with the kids if that's part of what you want to achieve yeah then what you do in the gym should drive that and should suck then should you know gym should supplement your life not the other way around if we look at it as a look at training it's just a capacity play it's just which capacities are great which capacities are lacking what do we need to work on and we work on it and we and we grow and improve and build
a big bigger container to be able to do cool shit that in a nutshell is is training that's it what I guess from an experiential point of view what are the main experiences in your life that have shaped you as a coach it's really really great question get around me for asking good questions thanks for saying I ask good questions one that stunts me but I'll try not to fill the air space with too much silence so I'll just keep talking hey there's nothing wrong with silence in a podcast we need to become comfortable with
silence I can't think of any experience since that I can single out but more the coaches and the mentors that I've had to lean on that are better than me have probably shaped me yeah and I'm a big believer in learn off as many different people as you can and don't get married to any one sort of system of beliefs or any one coaches teachings because there's so many different things you can pick off each different line but in terms of experiences that have shaped me probably just that whole five years at uni and yeah
auditing my life and figuring out what makes me feel like shit what makes me feel good yeah leaning into those things as a task for everyone listening or watching is just you know if things aren't the way you want them to be write down all the shit you do yeah and order what things fill you up which things take energy away and do more of the shit that fills you up there's a Dalai Lama quote which I'm gonna butcher because I can't remember it word by word but it's almost like relinquish the things that make
you suffer and acquire the things that make you feel good yeah that's probably the experience that has shaped me the most just realizing what makes me feel good and what I've always loved the quote and again I don't know who it is but when you before you try and heal someone make sure they want to give up the thing that made them sick yeah and it's it's a and I think it's more powerful I had this conversation with the footy boys the other night we're about to run through a big block of training and you
know to get us prime for finals and the most important thing we can do isn't necessarily to do the hard work it's to take away the stuff that takes away from it yeah so the you know the late night Netflix binges or the shitty food on a weekend or the seven beers after going football like that stuff has its time has its place but if you want to make the most of the opportunities you're given you need to take those things away sacrifice and life shouldn't just be about sacrifice right like you should be able
to enjoy the shit you love to do like I'm sure you had some fucking ripper nights out in Ballarat but it comes to a point is this serving me and that's one thing COVID did it literally took away what was making me sick and now like don't get me wrong still love a good time but I really want to be in here like just can't do it to the extent that I did I can't be out to the sun comes up the next day like I gets to 11 p.m now and I have a drink
with the boys and I've got to go to bed and I just can't do it yeah I think one of the questions I like to ask myself and one of the probably the if I was to nestle the number one piece of advice I've given to the most people this year it's like ask yourself is this useful yeah is this thing that you're doing useful is it moving the needle in one way shape or form is it making you feel better is you make you perform better is it making you recover better and if the
answer is no then maybe get rid of it or maybe do something else totally what's the one piece of advice that you give the most to your athletes and or have received that's changed your life the most a lot of different advice I'd give to an athlete just depending on their situation context isn't important but probably just expose yourself to a variety of different activities movements through different planes of motion varying intensities just be good at as many different things as you possibly can and there's some athletes that's irrelevant to that might specialize in a
certain sport that requires specialized certain characteristics but yeah like literally don't specialize too early and expose yourself to as many good things as you can and that's what I do with my athletes now because like what myself and Mitch chatted about in our podcast a couple of weeks ago you don't know what you don't know where your athlete or clients going to be in five years time they might have a new coach that God knows what they're going to prescribe them so the best thing you can do is get them robust enough to be in
a position that they can tolerate whatever gets tossed at them yeah and from a like like the follow-up to that is as an athlete or as a human which you know I don't prescribe to the only certain people can become athletes right like I think and I could argue with different people with until it blew in the face but everyone's an athlete we all just have different events right your event might be looking after kids and and running around after them things like you yeah like as soon as you stop doing things and like as
we get older we stop playing sports we stop running we stop swimming we stop riding our bikes we stop doing the things that allow us to move and you know there's that whole like myth that your metabolism slows down your age as you age it doesn't slow down because you age it slows down because you slow down yep and the ability to maintain that like childlike enjoyment out of you know going for a hike going for a walk going for a run you know kicking the soccer ball football around doesn't matter you know as I
as I get older and get towards the end of my my current sporting career I'm kind of like okay well I need to make sure that I don't just stop and then stop and don't replace it with something else like you know I guess that's why the gym is such a valuable place to so many people because that's the place where they move and they grow and they explore but don't stop doing it in the real world because when you stop you know like you said before when you stop growing you're dying yeah stop moving
you literally start dying deteriorating and we spoke about this in our podcast right like what happens with early death in terms of lower body strength and foot speed and you know it's a little bit morbid but the end of the day we want to build our capacity so that we can do as much shit as well as we want when we're older like I'd love to be able to you know deadlift my body weight when I'm 90 like I'd love to be able to still still get into a jog and still swim and and still
you know still play around and piss fart around and take the piss every now and then in my instagram for you to see a video of like a 90 year old 100 kilos and it's epic yeah and but the thing like there's no reason you shouldn't be able to do that there isn't but they got there because the people that can't do it event like at some point along the road stop 40 45 50 55 whatever they stopped and it might have been because it gets harder and harder and harder to get back in yeah
like the biggest thing we can do for ourselves in any pursuit is build momentum yeah and we spoke about it today around like what's the one thing you can do today to make tomorrow a little bit better every yeah whether it be work whether it be community whether it be um health doing something today will make tomorrow easier and build your capacity and you just do that every day and eventually you're gonna die but ideally you've had a fucking ripper run along the way and you've been able to do stuff and you you're not you
know stuck sitting down incapacitated um because you stopped stop moving and stopped exploring good things like you know the same thing can be said for for reading and for connecting with other people and building relationships and things like that so now that you're now that you're well and truly entrenched in the verta system um what is and you know we'll talk about the the learning experiences you've had along the way in terms of like internships and courses and things like that what is the the future growth for for tyler look like love to delve into
some business stuff so like one area of my life that's still quite poor is the sort of financial literacy business literacy side of things still living fortnight to fortnight read the books i gave you at 24 years old i didn't think i'd be doing but here we are um no haven't read the books i've been given yet we'll get there and that's just all a part of uh priorities and making time for those things um business development because ultimately i want to be free to do whatever i want whenever i want not having to worry
about money like and this might sound a bit excessive but if i wanted to i'd want to be able to flight it easily tomorrow i'd want to be able to fly to the uk tomorrow and see my mates yeah without a worry of having to do a coaching shift without a worry of am i going to have the money to do this like hypothetically i'd want to be able to do that um but how do you do that because you can't do that you can't do that you need money to do that so you need
to do something that fulfills you to help you i guess gain that um being here is big key yeah well and we'll build it we'll build into that like from a from a because that effectively that's a that's an a goal right like yeah for those that haven't listened to greg and i talk about abc goals like an a goal sorry a c goal is the what do you have what do you want you already have right it's like a it's a gratitude play around like all right well if you keep doing the things that
you're doing you're going to keep having the things that you have to get something you don't have you need to do something different so like that's a big goal like what are the things that you want that that you don't currently have and what are the steps to get there so it's like something like buying a house or buying a car or going to see your mates in in london like they're things that are clearly you can clearly articulate step one to ten and and tick it off right the the seat of that sorry the
a goal which is like the big hairy crazy goal is like what do you want that both scares and excites you at the same time and what are the first two steps to get there and you know like i think we can be very impatient with achieving those things like i reckon 24 i was probably in smack bang exactly the same position as you in terms of like going oh i just want some like more freedom around what i can spend my money on and what i can do and where i'm going and all those
kind of things and ultimately like you're on the right path you're going to get there but the seagull is like okay what are the first two steps to get there so the you know move into a space where or a community that you love being around that love having you around like you've ticked that box yeah like find a find a house that and a and a space to live that you know support your goals which you've kind of just done yeah we just just moved house yeah literally a week ago you know space with
just myself and one other girl that's there 20% of the time so it gives you then the capacity to freedom and the quiet time that i need to sort of get my eight hours sleep yeah quiet in my mind not feel like after the talk to anyone yeah and the next step is like okay build the builds business capacity yeah alongside what you're already doing from a coaching and education perspective so yeah someone that's doing those things is able to post to their social media one time a day and build an audience they're able to
commit two to three hours a day to branching out to schools clubs corporate yeah and i think that's that's that's the the key for anyone achieving what they want to achieve and you know you do this brilliantly with your clients is just like all right you set out a path you follow that path you be patient with it and make sure that you have opportunities to reassess and assess and iterate what it actually looks like and then reiterate when things you know when you don't feel like you're making the progress or you're not connecting with
the right people or things like that yeah yeah if there's something you want look at someone that's already achieving that and don't ask what are they doing now but ask what they were doing when they're in your position because you look at the rock who's jacked and eating 10,000 calories a day i don't know how many to get like the rock you're not going to eat 10,000 calories a day straight off the bat and train twice a day you're going to do what the rock was doing when he was your size and shape this is
true which i don't know if the rock was ever my size and shape i'm too much of too much of a pretzel to be like the rock but yeah like who who are the people that you've looked up to over the years and learned off and who do you look up to now because i guess that like who you aspire to be like doesn't necessarily have to be like a hero but but you know we see elements of what certain people do and go oh i love you at this person's ability to communicate i love
this person's you know ability to create content or whatever who are those people for you that's it like your parents put the steps in place when you're zero to 18 and then you go and branch off and then people that are in positions that i want to be right now it's people like yourself greg mitch that uh that have been doing what i want to be doing for a fair few years and they're doing it really really well so that's why i've come here and surrounded myself with you guys um thanks for the pump up
people like my coach alex sandalis um i've made him on here at some stage i do i've invested when i was in uni invested in going up to the sunshine coast to learn off a man jordan pots who at the time still is uh one of the leaders in junior athlete development because at that time that was an area that i really wanted to dive in and still am quite keen on that junior development building a good solid uh group of young athletes yeah under your charges here oh yeah uh early days christian woodford was
one and as much as i've sort of drifted off now and don't you know my coaching style has changed a bit it was one that early days sort of set a lot of the foundations for me done massive things for young coaches last 10 years yeah um and they're just a few off the top of my head like i'd rattle off so many more but i'm actually sort of drawing blanks at the moment because there is so many yeah yeah and i guess that's it's a good way of like looking at your development right is
like you've got kind of different areas of your life that you know you want to improve like there's the resilient side where you kind of look at like your your ice baths and your you know whim hoffs and you know people doing that stuff and then you've got your coaching side of things and you got your education side of things and your finances financial side of things obviously they're all intrinsically linked um but do you have like a a system or a process you follow to kind of go okay well what do i need to
work on now the funny thing is i don't like that's probably one thing i'm probably lacking is just really really clear-cut systems and processes for everything in my life and i like i'll come to a sticky point in my life which i was at a couple of weeks ago and a lot of shit was going on with the house and work was busy and i wasn't getting anything done it's like shit i just need some better systems in place for everything and i'm like shit i need to create the time to figure this shit out
and i just don't do that yeah um so it's all about just sort of sacrificing one thing to make time for that to make things easier in the future sort of that short-term pain for long-term gain which yeah i mean we hear about it with like businesses right people talk about you talk to most people that run their business and they'll talk about running in the business and and working in the business sorry i'm working on the business yeah and like our life is effectively a business or a project or whatever and we can look
at our life as like working in our life which is kind of what we want to do right where things are a means within themselves and we enjoy you know being where our feet are and enjoying what our day looks like and we're you know we're doing the things we love because we love to do them not because they're going to create a better future but we're also need to take time to like take a step back build some awareness yeah create some clarity around what's working and what's not um and then create systems and
processes in our life that actually work on those things so that we can improve them and then like in a nutshell that's life right it's bouncing between the working in and working on and making sure that yes we love what life is and what we're doing but we're also like dissatisfied enough to then go i need to make this better for future me and it it draws parallels with sort of the training and health and wellness experience for a lot of people too like everyone's so dialed in on working out and going to the gym
and hitting their session but they don't work in yeah they don't strip back the lays and look at the other parts of their life like their hydration their stress management their sleep mobility good uh good hydration plug by the way it's clean it's cold and that's what i call high quality it's a really important part of the podcast i think just the old hydration check-in that we do most episodes once a day if you're not if you've got a drink bottle with you have a sip get around the new vertice drink bottles by the way
stay hydrated maniac 750 ml double world get excited um beautiful all right so changing tact a bit just changing changing changing path i don't fucking know man i was just saying that's safe shit and sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't um so what does your professional life look like in the moment so actually i don't need to answer it because you're gonna tell me yeah um what did your week look like about 20 to 25 hours of coaching per week so i'm in here at vertice either six to eleven or three to eight which we
love and it's a awesome awesome way to get paid like it blows my mind that i actually get paid to do it and it blows i can stop if you want no i don't uh yeah i literally just get to rock up in for five hours just hang out with whoever comes in yeah you check what if i see you soon for the night and it's like sick get to hang out with them yeah hang out with schmitty oh yeah another shout out that's five straight oh one day we'll forget him get to shoot hoops
with michael bezine and then and does does not want to lift away just wants to throw basketballs at the ring um i'm responsible for the development of young guns like nikki birdie and matilda argus ellie simons who's leaving us good humans she'll be back yeah she'll be back um yeah so really really lucky to be able to come here and it is pretty it is pretty cool like to do that yeah like obviously we built this thing so it's like you know we we have our members and our community and ourselves to thank for building
this thing but it's pretty cool to be able to i mean you don't want to use someone else's uh lack of joy or enjoyment about what they do to kind of like um to pump up your own but it does it does create some like perspective when you chat to people that don't love what they do or don't love their job where they go oh fuck i gotta go to work today and like we have those those moments where like i can't really go to work but very rarely do i ever think of a time
where work hasn't just flown by and i haven't gone like this is i love this like like the other night i was a bit flat and i was about to run a session with 25 under 17 boys and i wasn't quite ready for it but as soon as it started it was just high energy and it was awesome then by the end of it i was stoked yeah um yeah it's pretty cool so that's 20 to 25 hours of my week the other 10 or so i'm doing some business to business yeah outreach stuff so
sort of liaising with local clubs in the area trying to get some corporate programs up and running and sort of facilitating our relationship with schools which at the moment looks like our scholarship program so we have two different schools per semester that they provide year 9 and 10 students that want to pretty much upskill their physical and mental development yeah they apply and they essentially get to hang out at vertice for 12 weeks yeah yeah so yeah we wanted to what take the barriers away that you know around a year 9 or 10 who maybe
doesn't have the the financial capacities from their parents and maybe aren't working yet we wanted to make sure that we still got some uh some athletic development and some teaching and education into those young kids so like that's been brilliant to see you oversee that program yeah it's yeah it's been so much fun they're all ripping kids too and it's probably another five or so hours just my own personal development too so upskilling mentorship about to start jamie smith yes business mentorship um doing some doing some sales training with alex bozen with sere consultancy yes
um because as much as i sort of despised salesmen and anything to do with sales growing up and throughout my role with ballarat genesis health and fitness like everyone everyone is uh yeah that'll do it for you every single person is a salesman yeah you gotta learn how to say how to sell yeah yeah and i think like yes as and shane and those guys that teach us say i always say say it wrong um is like their their whole thing is selling fitness for good and i think that you know at the end of
the day we exist to help people improve their lives improve their capacity improve their ability to to you know learn and move and all that kind of stuff but at the end of the day like we want to add value in a nutshell good salesmen are the salesmen that add value that you know under promise and over deliver and i guess that's what we want to be known for a conversation i had with shane was like one thing i just hate about sales is when we're just manipulating people and he's like yeah you're right we
are but if you're manipulating people to do good things for themselves then what's the problem with that yeah and i said touche yeah it's it's like yeah because like at the end of the day we we've seen the light like we love health and fitness like i know you probably love health and fitness more than i do these days but like i love the that growth element of it and that like you know hunting progression side of side of life and we've seen the light in a lot of different ways like we get to see
it with individual members that you know go from where they are to where they want to be and we get to see that progress and we see what improvements it has to their quality of life and their capacity to do things and we go we kind of want that for everyone it's like it's like when you read a really good book or watch really good movie you're like everyone in the world needs to see this movie and i feel like i feel like this around kids right i'm like now that i like you know not
sleeping all that well but just experiencing the the unconditional love and the the beautiful things it does to your life like i kind of i think i said to mum one day i was like do you love me as much as i love these guys and you kind of like understand why your parents have done so much for you and it's brilliant because it's like and now i want all my friends to experience that and i know they will in their own time but it's like you kind of want to force feed people but people
do it in their own time but i think as a coach and as a as a salesman in a nutshell like your job is just to facilitate greatness facilitate that's it and you know in the last few months i've been heavily sort of working on myself too and seeing some really good gains in strength physique just general health not right and hey no i'm not running that's that's deteriorating we'll get there we'll get there but not realizing how easy it is because it is a slog and it's a daily battle but realizing how simple it
is yeah it's like shit yeah i've got to pass this on to other people yeah i think you've said it before but like it's a simple thing like everything you do is taking you one step closer one step further away from the person you want to be and like that's the person the athlete the the you know father the partner the friend the son like or daughter the you know everything you do takes you a step further and step closer away and like i said to the kids today is like you're not gonna you're not
gonna hit hit that target 100% of the time right it's probably gonna be more like 80 20 or 70 30 but the closer we get to that you know hitting it as often as we can the better your life gets the the bigger you know i said this word a thousand times this podcast but the bigger your capacity grows and the more you're actually capable of and the more you can be um and you know like one of the one of my goals for the next 12 18 months is just to like empty my calendar
effectively it's like similar to what you what you want to achieve um you can't do it because i need you doing things so that i can empty my calendar but we'll build that in i'll find someone else but that's it we'll keep leveling it up and and kind of cultivate that environment here where we can do that um and that only that comes from doing the work first i think a lot of people want to skip that step or almost like go yeah everyone's looking for a shortcut yeah and they don't exist nah they don't
exist like um what's the novella kind of quote it's like um love wealth and uh houseful of love can't be earned they can't can't be bought they must be earned um i've just butchered it completely but that's all right you get the get the idea get the idea so you need to earn this stuff and good things on the pursuit of growth and financial freedom and freedom of time to do what i want i've sort of in a way got to sacrifice those things and really really dig down and hustle for a little bit but
i know it's only short term yeah i mean i look at like you know like our life that has a lot of parallels and a lot of similarities and like i look at now i can kind of you know i'm obviously a footy a couple nights a week and and it um yeah i work monday nights at the moment and and you know i spend the rest of my nights like putting the girls to bed and doing dinners and helping kp with that stuff when i have the capacity to and like i've kind of built
that in by you know there were countless nights where early on vertice i slept at the gym and was you know we used to be here till 10 o'clock most nights and um before before we built a coaching structure that actually allowed us to refuel our our minds and our bodies as coaches um because we were just like it was the wild west back in the day but um we kind of you've you know in a way you've kind of like paid your dues and i don't think like i don't think people have to people
going through that now have to suffer because you suffered i definitely think like my job in a nutshell is to make sure you guys don't have to go through those things and that you can experience the good things that we get to experience now um because of not in spite of um the the difficulties that we had to go through to build this thing um and now you guys get to you know your mitch and jazz get to experience it in a different way but then you get to make it better for you know whoever
comes after you like you know one of my big hairy goals is for for vertice to exist without me but not only exist is to continually continually level up and grow and evolve without the need for my input which it's already doing in a bunch of different ways you definitely don't but that but that's the best part about it right like i you know the ego that i may be that drove a lot of the things i did for five or six years ago doesn't really exist anymore um and it exists in different ways like
i want to like i was talking to a couple of the older boys at footy the other day and my enjoyment at a football comes from seeing the younger boys do the stuff that i used to do and like it's a hard transition to go from like you know being the guy that everyone needs for different things to then being like a part player or a you know on the side but it's like it's so much more rewarding seeing other people succeed because you were able to like lay down the path in front of them
that's kind of the way i look at it great um nothing from me on that nothing from you oh good i'm gonna have some more water i'm not gonna press the button again then um so i guess the light let's let's uh 51 minutes that went quick so the last like kind of seven or eight minutes i'm just gonna like throw a bunch of questions at you obviously we've obviously done the quickfire 30 already done with mitch so that'll be out a couple days in a couple of days time wednesday wednesday wednesday night so hopefully
this goes out sunday night and that goes out wednesday night but what are you most excited for um just to see how much better i can become like just the limit does not exist so i just want to see how far we can push it love that like i look back at two years ago and then look at myself now compared to two years ago and look at how much better i am it's like i wonder how much i wonder where i'll be this time next year and then the year after that and the year
after that it's it's exciting that's pretty cool what are you most proud of i was probably a bit cliche just myself my own development oh that's good yeah that was like potential um yeah good what are you who are you most proud of outside of you like who are the people and a secondary part of that and you can answer both at the same time they're probably the same maybe the same people like who are you most appreciative for uh most proud of my parents for putting up with me and still continuing to put up
with me yeah and now probably only just now finding the time and money to do the things they want to do and live the life that they want to probably delayed a good decade because of me sorry yeah sorry mom dad i think it i think it's um i think you become an adult which we you were talking about this like this morning with the kids right there's 16 17 year olds there's like 60 70 of them in a room and we're kind of you know i'm talking about the things i've learned over the last
decade and you're talking about just becoming an adult and things like that i think the moment there's no moment but the moment you become an adult is the moment you realize your parents were right about most things you know like yeah i was a fucking idiot yeah yeah i've been legally an adult for six years now but only only this year the past few months that i really started to feel like one and big catalyst for that has been yes that one but also to not spending any time at all really with the people you
love most so that's yeah your family then friends that i'd never really see anymore at all yeah yeah ever just takes takes time what's that that was gregory gregory oh what a great man um yeah perfect what um what piece of it what's the best piece of advice you've been given that you've received that has shaped who you've either become or an action you've done or what you've what you've what you've done hello greg well they're yours nah not mine um i don't know if this is the best one but this was a bit of
a funny one that i got when i was on placement at xalto performance on the sunshine coast with jordan pots this was just as i'd finished up the placement and i was just about to leave and one of the last things he said to me it was like fucking look me in the eye when you're talking to me it's like when you start when you get really really nervous you don't look me in the eye yeah so now well i haven't noticed that so yeah i've been thinking about it every single moment if you want
to get trust from someone or really build a relationship like look them in the eyes now i'm just gonna fucking eyeball you from the rest of the podcast and you can't do it too much because it gets weird yeah it does get weird but that connection and that ability like it's just basic relationship building yeah what's it what's a book and we you know obviously we asked all these questions favorite books and stuff but what's a book that shaped your current like who you are is there one not so much i really really like i
can't say it shapes me too much but it's one that i think everyone should read it's how to win friends and influence people that's another just really basic relationship building just just being a good person basic life skills sort of thing i can't say it shaped me too much but i think everyone should read it yeah i think it just gives you a kick up the bum for the stuff that you already know yeah yeah it's a reminder of the stuff that you know is important and that's like the look people in the eyes address
people by their first name yeah yeah all that kind of stuff um what's what's the oh i asked the advice one already um we didn't talk about football red hill what is so how did you find yourself down to down up to the hill rather than to the stone cat which is heartbreaking better blokes yeah i'm not i deal with stone cats every single day it was emotional um yeah they essentially did a 12 or an eight week block of pre-season at our gym yeah their s and c was leaving to go and join the
army yep and was wondering who's gonna fill his gap he asked mitch don't know why he asked me straight away he asked mitch then mitch said why don't you starts tyler yeah and so that's been an awesome stepping stone for me to one meet new people yeah and to again develop that skill that coaching skill set and get out of my comfort zone because being in a team sport environment like is yeah not really something i've ever been interested in it's just different it's very different to the private system and i've never been an incredible
footballer so to now being in that environment be a leader at a football club and have to tell these blokes for the better at footy the knees stronger than here's what you need to do yeah yeah like that's been really daunting but also a great yeah great challenge that's awesome it's been brilliant to see like um because i remember when you first said i'm moving to moines and i was like i gotta find i'm gonna help you find a job i try to get your job somewhere else yeah i can't work there yeah and then
you eventually obviously started working here and stuff and then so a lot of so a lot of your life has been like wrapped up in vertice which has been brilliant for for all of the growth and and connection that you get from that yeah but it was almost like it's also that same thing of growing up in halton and then moving to ballarat with half the people like it's just you came to the same people yeah if you came to the stone cats it would be like same circle it'd be it'd be an echo chamber
i had to go and yeah which i think and you know i remember like being super stoked for you that you did that because it's like personal growth meet new people yeah plus you get to run your own show and there and that's been really hard too because they're all blokes that have grown up played junior footy together they're all got their really strong relationships in the club and again i'm the new guy that's still struggling to try and fit in but that's just the challenge wherever you go what advice would you have for someone
that either wants to change career or wants to change clubs or wants to move somewhere different what advice would you have for them if they're kind of like on the edge going um i don't know if i should does it align with your values does it take you closer to who you want to be if it does do it you'll make it work oh and on that note any more for any more uh give me a prompt one more prompt uh what's your perfect sunday afternoon look like perfect sunday afternoon oh wake up catch a
sunrise oh have a coffee it'd be summer yeah grab a coffee i mean i love this part of the world but this this like two month period sucks and it it's good for us because we need it we need we need the cold to appreciate the warm but i'll tell you what i could deal with some sunshine at the moment yeah catch some sunshine yeah good love that okay so get your sunshine any more for any more get your vitamin d drink three liters of water please eat nutrient-dense food get eight hours sleep goodbye have
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