S1E38 · Fit With Georgie: Mindfulness, Death and Purpose

Hey guys, welcome to the Virtus Performance Podcast. Before we get stuck into this week's guest, I'd like to thank all of you guys who have been listening, who have been sending emails and sending messages of support. It's amazing to one, know there's people listening and two, to know that we're actually making a difference in your lives and that we're, I guess, focusing on our why and we're actually making the world a better place. So for all you guys that have sent those messages, thank you very much. None of them go unnoticed, I appreciate them all immensely.

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It was much better this time without Anna, to be honest. We talked about a lot of different things, we tried to unpack a few topics in a little bit more depth than I guess usual. When I'm interviewing someone it's really, really hard to spend a lot of time on one topic. So today we went through death, we talked about death a lot, we talked about people, we talked about mindfulness a lot. We talked about goal setting and about how Georgie's goals have changed since our last podcast and how she's cultivated those goals and has now put herself in an environment where she's able to do a lot of pretty cool things.

We talked about 2017 and what worked and then plans for 2018. We talked a lot about her work and how she's making the world a better place one patient at a time. We talked about purpose, gratitude, progress, just lots and lots of different stuff. So I hope you guys really enjoy it. If you want more information about Virtus Performance or the Virtus podcast, please jump on our website or send me an email to info@virtusperformance.com. Right at the end of the podcast, I asked Georgie if she could tell me a joke and she didn't so she's about to jump on and tell you one now.

What do you call a fly with no wings? Hit me. A walk. A walk. And on that note, please enjoy episode 37 of the podcast with Fit With Georgie. My personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day. I believe everyone, especially normal people, have a story to tell. The Virtus podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey and experiences of each of our guests. Fit With Georgie. You're back. I'm back. What a day. How are you? I'm good. I'm very excited because it was my last shift before Christmas break.

Yeah, awesome. It's sunny. Went down the beach. It's beautiful. It's been a good day. Hasn't it? What's it been like this year? So is that first year all done? No, sir. Oh, no. In February, it'll be my second year nursing. Yeah. Five, six, two years. That's crazy. Yeah. Awesome. Time flying. How have you changed since you started? Oh, my God. Immensely. In terms of nursing or in terms of? Both. In terms of how do you approach nursing and how do you approach life, is it different? Totally. For nursing, going from brand new little baby student to grad is a huge increase.

If it was on a bell curve, it'd be full vertical from launching and fully fledged. I always say that my first year of nursing is a massive year of growth. It was massive. Yeah. It was amazing. Actually, I get a lot of people that message me on my Instagram or they send me emails because they are student nurses or grad nurses or aspiring health care professionals and they say, "What advice have you got?" or anything like that. My advice is always just be a sponge and soak up as much as you can. Just be ready to actually load up on just learning.

Yeah. Ask lots of questions. I was telling just before, I'm the annoying nurse that's asking lots of questions and poking the doctors and yeah, just be curious and be... And your progress. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. And then as a person, I don't know what I've been exposed to in the hospital and the people that I've met. I have always... Whether you realize it at the time or not, I've always left with something that's contributed to me for the day or from each kind of person. Yeah. And so it's almost been two years and I've collected little things that have taught stuff about me and yeah, that's crazy to look back from who I was to who I am now.

That's pretty cool. You kind of have that reflection. Are you good at giving yourself pats on the back or giving yourself quiet times of reflection to look back on it all? Quiet times of reflection, yes. I like to think so. But pats on the back, probably not. I'm probably more critical or analytical. I do spend a lot of time by myself or doing a lot of silent reflection, whether I'm doing yoga or exercise, going for a walk, I'm often doing lots of reflection whilst I'm doing that. And a lot of the time, not being self-critical

but analyzing and running over everything that I've been doing and what I've got going on or what I did at work the other week or so analyzing through that but giving myself pats on the back, probably don't do as much as I should. Why do you struggle with that? Why do you think you don't want to give yourself? I know it's going to sound really stupid but it's probably my strive for not so much perfection but just to be great or to be at the standard that I would expect of myself or that I want to be.

And sometimes that's really hard at work because no matter what you try and do, you never reach it or just whatever goes on, you've got your agenda and you've got your plan and this is what I want to do, this is what I need to achieve for my patients and then the patient's got an absolutely completely different plan and what's important to me and what I want to get done for them is completely different to what's important to them. So that's been a huge learning curve for me and learning how to, I don't know, get comfortable with that and make the best of everything.

Yeah, well it's a pretty important one for anyone in an industry or a job that helps people because you can have all your goals ready to go and you can spend hours locking in here's what I think this person should want and then you treat them or talk to them or have a consult with them and they go actually this is what I want and you're like oh shit well that's three hours down the drain. How do you go about I guess listening properly, like actually listening to what people want? I find that really gratifying but probably something that I don't do enough.

Not that we're governed by time constraints but a lot of what you do in your shift at nursing is like, you know, mates do it this time and this time and you've got to do this time and then, you know, so you've sort of got a schedule that you try and stick to but that definitely doesn't always happen and so here's me thinking like got to get these meds due at 12 and all the patient wants is to, you know, brush their hair or something and you're thinking like it's really hard because what's important to

you and like what you think is right all they want is their hair combed and like that's what's going to make them feel great and so yeah learning to take the time to do that and that's like the human side of nursing there's like the medical there's like a theoretical tick all these boxes kind of side and the good on paper versus the as a self-proclaimed by the book nurse do you struggle with balancing those two yeah yeah I do but I'll tell you what the most the thing that I find the most gratifying is

when I get to spend those like human moments like yeah so when I when I step back and think like okay you know like just relax and you know it's like my shift this morning like one of my patients I'm trying to give her her tablets and make sure the tablets are on time a really important medication and she wanted to go to the bathroom so I was like okay we'll go to the toilet took her in there and we're in there for about 20 minutes and I was like and she wanted to brush her

teeth and then she wanted to like comb it and I'm standing thinking like I'm gonna look like a dick because your medication's so overdue but she wanted to do all that stuff and I was like it's really challenging yeah that's when you're frustrating yeah that's when patients really like becomes is it a convert you that's when it becomes that really important you know to be like okay yeah just relax yeah that's pretty cool have you have you I guess had that I completely forgot what question I was gonna ask shit something about this yeah no

we'll get to that we'll go to that oh but I was just thinking about like having that ability to kind of go you know what this is perfect like this is when I should give the medicine or the medication but this person wants to brush their hair and sometimes you have to go Gladys get out of the bathroom you need your meds yeah I remember one thing like pops to my mind and I was mentoring like a student nurse and we had this patient and she's what we call like behavioral like she's sort of act

up a little bit yeah she was some you know like to sort of whinge and complain a little bit to sort of get out of doing things and she wanted to walk to the toilet and I was like all right well and then she wanted us to like push her back and I was like no you can walk like and it was five steps away and I was like you can walk and she was like oh I can't I can't and the student was like oh I'll help you I'll go and get a wheelchair and

I'll help you and I turned to the student I was like no she needs to walk and I like looked like the nasty really mean person but like pushing them to do that yeah there's plenty of time she ended up walking yeah she walked but it's done yeah so there's plenty of times where you play like good cop bad cop like good nurse bad good cop bad cop no it's fine you're a nurse yeah have you had any kind of moments or periods of time where a patient has taught you something that's stuck with you

oh um I've had a few patients like tell me like when they're really old and they ask me like you know they look at me and they go like how are you do you have kids or are you married they all ask if you've got kids and if you're married but um and then they tell me things about like what they were doing when they were my age or um a few of them told me things that which they've done like before they die or things that they regret not doing yeah things like that's really

sort of made me step back they must be pretty heavy like yeah like on someone who I follow heavily is Gary Vee and one of the things that he kind of talks about in one of his I guess most famous like little kind of rants is that if you want to learn what regret is go spend time in a nursing home and go talk to people that are I guess on their last legs at the end of their life and great segue to death too because it's something we're talking about earlier on what do you

think death can teach us about life so much um obviously that life is so quick in the grand scheme of things and that is so so precious and that a good quality life or good health within your life is so much so taken for granted um and like from I guess like a medical like pathophysiological point of view is that like one thing I'm always astounded by and especially since I started working where I work I've only been there for like six or seven months I'm on a respiratory and renal ward so that's lungs and

kidneys um and I didn't think I'd like kidneys and you know all that kind of stuff um but one thing I've learned from that is like how just how hard your body works to keep you going and to keep you alive and to keep you well and even people who are like on their deathbed with like all of their bloods out of whack and completely end stage kidney failure you know you've got lung failure you've got cancer all at the same time and their bodies fight so hard and for so long um to fix things

and to get things better and just to keep them alive yeah even when the patient's lost their will to live like it's amazing and then I come out of work and I'll see people downstairs smoking or like able-bodied really healthy people choosing to take drugs or choosing to abuse their bodies and it just you go from one thing to another where there's people who are trying their best to get better in such bad health and then there's people like us that are so healthy and you make such bad choices and it's a I guess it's

a real unfairness of life that some people can or some people do treat their body like shit more or less and then some people treat their body like a temple yet you never necessarily know which one's going to end up sicker or which one's going to die first or whatever well poor health doesn't discriminate sometimes yeah or you know disease doesn't often discriminate as well it's pretty hard thing to yeah if you were to pick I guess the areas in terms of health and holistic health and well-being that if you could teach everyone maybe four

or five areas to focus on to improve their quality of life not only now because I think the big thing us as like mid 20 year olds like and then you've got your 30s and 40s and 50s you can get away with a lot when you're in your teens and in your 20s and sometimes in your 30s but unfortunately it tends to pay you back with interest down the track what are the things that you wish everybody knew one thing that I know everybody pretty much already does know yeah but it just doesn't act on

it especially because I'm a respiratory nurse is that smoking is like the shitest thing you can do for yourself ever yeah like if you've ever been held down underwater or when someone's like pushed your head under the water or if you know played around suffocating you or you know what happens to you but yeah like if you've ever had that feeling of not being able to breathe imagine having that all the time and not even being able to go from like your bed to your chair or bed to the toilet without being completely like healed

over or unable to breathe and you'd see that stuff like daily being in the spiritual yeah people that can't even like you can't even I don't know you can't even transfer them from yeah from the bed to the chair that's right next to the bed because they'll literally just drop on you it's crazy and they and it's a lot of it is because of like irreversible lung damage from smoking I saw a little video the other day which was like a I don't know it was like a jar that they put a bunch of cotton

balls in right and then they put a little hole for the cigarette and they I think they had burnt through 30 cigarettes and then taken the cotton balls out after like I'm sure you guys who are listening at home can google this and find the video just search cotton ball cigarette video or whatever I don't know but it showed how much tar and crap comes out of the cigarette each time and over 30 cigarettes which seemingly is a lot but for some people it probably may be a day's worth or a couple days worth it's

it was genuinely like I'm someone that have like I'm fortunate enough to have never touched a cigarette in my life because it does it's just yeah the I can't even come begin to fathom why some people do it but to actually see that and I'm like big proponent against it to actually see that like it was another level of holy shit that is genuinely horrific yeah and I feel like it's because maybe we can't see see it happening yeah like internally like we we can't see it um but maybe it's just not sinking in I

don't know what else we need to do like to show people make them aware but I mean once you get to 40 or 50 years old you think you'd be still relatively healthy but we've got people like that that yeah we can't even get out of bed um so that's probably one of the first things and that's like wherever you go it doesn't matter what kind of nurse you are or wherever you are in the world like smoking is that crap for you yeah um and some of our patients are still smokers like they'll come

up on the ward for um an exacerbation of their emphysema or you know COPD um and still going down to go downstairs to smoke and then come back to the ward do you talk to them or you discuss at least discuss it with them and get their point of view as to why they smoke um no really I haven't um a lot of them to be honest yeah I haven't a lot of them you know we tell them that we've got no smoking policy and that I'll tell them I'll tell them that you shouldn't be

going downstairs and I think that's really bad for you yeah but I haven't yeah I haven't really sat down and asked because I guess like from my point of view it'd be interesting to see to talk to them and be like well obviously you guys like they know what it like the problems with it yeah whether they just go no fuck it I'm gonna do it anyway or whether they go oh but I'll be okay or it's kind of like that whole like you're bulletproof till you're not yeah yeah I'm not that bad yet or

yeah yeah oh yeah I'll quit when I when it gets really bad or something like that I don't know I just I find it's an interesting mindset and it's really like we do it in all aspects of our lives but it's really easy to bullshit ourselves that we're doing the right thing or that we're making the right decisions or that we're looking after our long-term health when really we're probably not yeah or that you can like quit later or you know like oh you know I'll stop when I need to or you know yeah bad

habits like that can be really hard to break sometimes do your patients when they kind of talk to you about what you're doing now and things like that do they talk about regret much apart from the ones there's ones that have told me like yeah I regret not doing this before I've been unwell or regret not die um a few of them have regretted you know like I say if I regret smoking or whatever did that or um yeah no I haven't had heaps of like no dnms with my patients yeah um lots of family

members though lots of family members with regrets yeah um that come in and are witnessing their loved one being ill um you know regrets for not bringing them to hospital sooner or regrets for you know not telling them that they loved them or regrets for you know not playing more of a key role in helping them or you know advocating for their health or you know um death seems to bring around yeah and it's kind of an like an interesting one I was listening to a podcast on death today and it was and I guess

that's why it's front of mind and I wanted to talk to you about it but it was talking about the experience like death is the experience kind of two ways it's either you're the person passing away and you're have you have that anticipation of loss and you know that it's coming and you you realize and start to think about all the things you miss out on and you won't have and the family members you won't see and things like that and you assume that you're going to like either to nothingness or to a magical place

or wherever you feel as though you're going but not like it doesn't really matter because no one knows and then you've got the people that are experiencing death but through someone else so whether it's a family member or a friend or someone that's passing away or you as a nurse yeah that you can kind of look at that and there's two different ways of you experiencing it do you find have you found that there's a difference between the person that is passing away and their family members who kind of know it's coming yeah it's um

a lot of the time the patient accepts it a lot sooner than the family yeah and depending on like why they're in and what like what's going on with them i guess like especially in the elderly you know the families are the ones that make the choice to continue treatment or it's finally it's their call to say like let's stop treatment yeah and for us we probably nurse patients or we hold on to them and prolong their life or along their suffering for a lot longer than they probably should because the family is not ready

to let go yeah and i've had patients that look at me and say like i just want to die like please just let me go and you know i'm ready and like i've had enough like i just don't want to do this anymore and the family comes in and it's like hello darling yeah they're gonna be okay yeah yeah oh but last time she came home or last time she got better and yeah so helping the family to realize um is probably a big thing and just the other day actually um being so new like

you don't learn about how to deal with death at uni really you know we're like stop stealing my questions mate you don't get taught how to tell someone that their loved one has died or is dying you know like it's not something that they teach you it's just something that happens i guess with experience and i find it really hard because like i'm not super experienced um i've had plenty of patients pass away but you know in the grand scheme of things yeah um so yeah like knowing what to say but it was just the

other day it was the first time i've been really honest with a family member about how unwell their loved one is yeah um not that i sugarcoat things but i do try and draw on the positives you know people want to come in and hear good news about their family you know she's doing this and i had a family member come in and from a nursing perspective we could tell this patient was going to pass away pretty soon in a couple of days or so and the family came in and they were like oh how's

she going and i was really brutally honest and i said like she's she's not doing well at all and she's gotten a lot worse and she's receiving maximum of everything that we can give her and she's just still like going really really far and quickly downhill yeah and that was really really hard but also i think to sugarcoat and to tell them that she would she's gonna be okay it just prolongs i guess suffering and that ability to start beginning to deal with it yeah maybe and then yeah if you're able to have that conversation

they they might not appreciate it straight away but you know i'm sure later on upon reflection they probably do yeah a little bit do you think we and like obviously you talked about not going through it at uni but do you think we need to have that conversation about death and make it a normal make it a normal thing to actually talk about it yeah i think like even in just the general public not even just in hospitals or anything yeah i mean life i mean we talk about birth and how great that is and

how great you know all of our little milestones are death is just one of those as well and it doesn't have to be a sad thing um plenty people pass away outside of hospital you know pleasantly and happily and plenty people don't as well but you know like it yeah it's it's completely just part of life and um what's the only thing that we'll like we'll all do yeah it's just inevitable so like it's yeah so why are we so afraid of it i think we're i think because of the finality of it because of

the absurdity behind it because of the inability to to know what's next or if there is anything next or if there is but do you think as death and your your experiences at work with death has that changed or altered the way you live your life i know that every time i look after a patient like if if i've passed away on my shift or if i leave work and i know that they'll pass away overnight or you know within the next couple of days if i'm not going to be there um yeah i think

i always leave feeling really like grateful for my own health which is sort of a given um it really makes you reflect on that but yeah it makes me i feel like it humbles me a little bit every time and you sort of soften and yeah um i've come home after a death of one of my patients she was quite young um fighting young to be to be passing away from what she did was unfortunate and like i came home and cried um it was really hard and she was a complete stranger i knew her

for about 48 hours um but i was with her in that most intimate time of her passing away and yeah it really it really does it changes you a lot and it humbles you and makes you you see different side of things that you just wouldn't ever really get to see otherwise has it made you take more action and chase the things that you want i think so yeah it's um it's made me sort of maybe it's like i see it as a kind of in a weird way it's like a motivator you know i

say that i leave and i always feel like very grateful for what i can do and you know you might be looking after a patient in hospital that's grumpy and they yell at you for doing this or that and they crack it and you know then i get to leave work and go and run on the beach in the sand and go for the swim and you know and then actually i was i was i was thinking that when i was down the beach today just thinking like how lucky i am and even just to

be able to simply take my shoes off and put my feet and scrunch them in the sand you know it's crazy um yeah it's just an important yet simple thing to do yeah just go shit we're lucky like yeah i think that's what that's the part of death that well that's the effect death has on me i want to be able to talk about it more and want to be able to talk about it with my grandparents with my parents with my friends with my family because i think if we if we're able to use

that as like set a motivator like i don't think that's a weird thing at all but if you like we've got this clock running that we don't know when it's going to end out and like end like you know touch wood we're all okay it could end like it could end tomorrow so that shouldn't that mean that the next 12 24 hours is going to be amazing and i think if more people live with that i don't know thought process or or ideal that hey you know my time could be up next year or the

year after or whatever and yes we can talk with some level of certainty that maybe it won't happen because you know most people do live to 50 60 70 80 then maybe we've got a little bit more time than that but i think if we're able to go yeah i don't know when when my time is then you know you'll stop having those arguments with yourself or things like that and like what like that podcast i was talking about they talked about road rage and road rage is kind of like the the most uh unnecessary

i guess use of our energy because if we're if we're in an environment where someone cuts you off and you get annoyed and but then you bring yourself back to you know i'm gonna die someday they're gonna die someday everyone's just going about their business and trying to live their life as happily as possible you probably will never be road rage and i'd make sure that i check myself whenever i am annoyed in the car now that road rage shouldn't be a thing because i'm you know privileged enough to be able to drive my car

and to be able to sit in there and listen to the music i want to listen to the podcast i want and this person who i might never meet is exactly in exactly the same position so and you know what i think um funny about road rage i heard about this in the podcast and i do it all the time now um and it can apply to heaps of different things not just road rage um but when someone's doing something shitty that you don't like or that you don't agree with and you you can feel

it within yourself that it's like churning out these emotions that you're like you know like really angry oh you know you're you're enraged um you're trying to think about like all right obviously like driving isn't this person's strength like maybe and you go and i like that yeah and i like to think about the person i'm like maybe they're really good at you know making cupcakes or you know maybe this person gives great hugs you know like their strength is somewhere driving is just not one of them that's cool that's a really simple way of

looking at it yeah and that's with anything like you know someone could be you know getting in your way in the supermarket or you know someone could still you know eat the last cookie from the jar or eat your pizza that you're looking forward to eating when you get home you go okay like obviously that's you know not one of their strengths is you know forward thinking or whatever but you know maybe they're really good at washing their car or i bet they brush their dog really well yeah yeah and to add on top of

like that empathy is probably what makes you such a wonderful person yeah lovely person to be around and to go you know that person that crashed into me in the shopping center might have a shitload going on that i can't tell i can't i don't know and when we allow ourselves i think you posted something maybe today or yesterday i was going to say yeah that completely reminds me of that do you remember it yeah people that some sometimes people that need help don't like sometimes people that need help don't look like people that need

help yeah which is huge because it shows that even the people that seem as though they've got it together they don't and or they they might for that moment but they might not in the next moment and your ability to understand that that if you know and we all get annoyed at things and annoyed at people but to allow yourself to check yourself and go you know what that person is just going about their business and they're just trying to do the best they can and they're trying to you know find their shopping for the

christmas lunch on monday or they're you know yeah they're trying to and and this podcast will be out like in like a month so it doesn't really make a lot of sense to you guys um oh and like you know maybe the guy on the road that cut you off is on the way to his wife who's having a baby yeah or you know like don't think about it just about you and you can't just think about like oh me and you know that's that's you know impacted me and oh me me me yeah you

got to think about the other person as well and yeah but it's a simple it's a simple thing but it's not easy it takes practice it takes practice i think it takes mindfulness which interestingly enough actually fun fact that's what um my tattoo is about oh that's one thing that reminds me of and i often touch it at work which probably sounds really weird so it's a picture of an eye um and what one of the main reasons i got it is it reminds me of one of my favorite sort of sayings which is in

a way about mindfulness and it's called um i read it in a book it's called to watch the thinker and so you're the one thinking but to them watch yourself thinking and that's what takes practice and that's what i work on it work all the time you know i'm frustrated about wanting to do the medications but my patient wants to brush her hair and i didn't find myself getting angry and irritated and i think like that's when like it takes yeah it takes a lot of practice and you know and just being aware and being

able to say like you know just be able to catch yourself and think just take a step like outside of yourself and watch yourself yeah having those reactions and then think why am i why am i reacting like this or yeah and and to understand that yeah we are not our thoughts is a really like a it's a heavy thing to think about because well i am my thoughts because i'm thinking it but you can think something and go no that's not me or that's not what i believe in or that's not that doesn't match

up to my values i wrote down something this morning when i was listening to that podcast and it relates perfectly with that it was a constant and conscious relationship with my thoughts allows me to live a proactive life if i don't have a conscious relationship with my thoughts i'm just reacting to everything yeah and you know if i see someone cut in front of me and i crack shoots at them and beep a horn and all that kind of thing i'm just letting you know my inner you know lizard my lizard brain just react to

that right but if i actually go you know what i'm gonna consciously go this guy's got other shit going on yeah he probably needs to be in front of me more than i do yeah and it doesn't have to be a hippie thing like if he's a dick and cuts in front of me you know can't win them all but it just allows me to i think it should allow you to actually yeah do like react the way you want to react and reactions are that they're reactions but what comes after the reaction can be

mindful and it can be something you actually think about yeah that's probably one thing that i've grown from with my nursing from from being brand new grad nurse to where i am today is is being proactive rather than reactive you know i know my patient you know is acting up because this refuses to do this you know instead of me going all right whatever like not going to help you then walking out of the room or cracking it like some people would and sort of acting back at them like they don't deserve for us to

give them attitude just because they're giving attitude to us yeah but to yeah that's one thing i've learned i guess is to to step back and instead of me cracking it and thinking like now i'm gonna be late for lunch turning around and thinking like okay like how could i've done that differently or maybe should i help them with this or what else can i do you know to work with them and do it in their way or a different way or you know that kind of thing that i've learned as soon as you can

use that self-reflection to kind of go what how could i have dealt with that that issue differently and like i'm sure we've all had issues in our life where we just blame someone else or blame blame the environment or blame the situation or or whatever but i'm a big believer that if that if i communicate with someone and they don't hear what i'm trying to say that it's not them not listening it's me not communicating it the correct way so all i have to do is manipulate the way i communicate and hopefully the the the

message will get across and if it doesn't it doesn't matter try the third way try the fourth way i learned that as a gymnastics coach so when i used to coach jim and i would try and you know say say teaching backflips and teaching it to a group of six different girls um and you set it up the way like you know this is the way i've taught to teach backflips this is what i think i need to teach and how to break it down two girls get it and the other girls are like what

the hell i have no idea what's going on and can't get it and part of that could be just natural talent and ability but a lot of it is just explaining it in a different way um you know some people are different kind of learners and it happened to me even when i was a gymnast i wouldn't be able to do things for ages and ages and then one day my coach would be away and we'd have a subcoach and they would explain it their way you know same skill different explanation yeah and it would

just click and you get that light bulb moment yeah well some people like learn through seeing things through movement through kinesthetic learning through auditory learning like and if we're able to identify that and know like your gym coach if he knew that this is the way that little georgie learned then he would have been able to go okay you three who know it i'm going to teach georgie it this way right and i like i find that in the gym with my clients some of them i can just say this is what we're doing and

i know they're going to do it some of them they have to feel how it feels and some of them they need to see me do it and when you're able to identify that like you're kind of rolling because then everyone can can learn the right way and everyone's moving forward yeah it's not one size fits all is it no and that happens in all walks of life whether it's yeah like nursing or coaching or anything that you're doing everything everything's different which is which is why when it comes to like things like medication and

and exercise and nutrition and things like that every individual is going to react to that thing maybe slightly differently maybe very differently so when we allow ourselves to understand that then we can kind of kind of start moving forward do you have a bucket list you know what i've never actually physically what are you doing stop that lock his pinky and picky and his pimples on his shoulders um put a stamp on it um a buck i've never actually physically written down a bucket list on a piece of paper probably more so out of fear

of not achieving them or being the non-achiever um rather than of not having bucket list things yeah at the start of 2017 like i have my diary um in that i have goal setting plans and you know like where do you want to be and you're halfway through the year and where do you want to be at the end of the year and where do you see yourself in five years and you know what can you do to to get there yeah i actually for the first time wrote down some pretty big and meaningful things

um that yeah that i thought like you know it's just things that i've always had in my mind but haven't wanted to ever write down um i guess due to fear of failure um but yeah i've never i've never like i mean i don't have like a list so i enjoyed his bucket list that's okay yeah but yeah because i always it's something i that i didn't really just thought about them but i watched the movie the bucket list a couple of weeks ago and i love that movie and i have i've kind of got

a bucket list but you're right i haven't written it down either like i've got stuff that i in terms of experiences things that i want to do and experience and achieve yeah but i've never actually written it down i i love the idea of a bucket list because it's kind of like and you use the word fear like it keeps you in check of the things that you like that you want to do and then you tell yourself you want to do because it's really easy for us to convince ourselves that i can't do that

or i don't want to do that what scares you about writing that stuff down the i guess that makes it real um it's come from like existing in my head to having it down on a piece of paper and even more recently i've spoken to a few people about like some of the goals and aspirations i have for next year or for the years to come um which i've never really done before either i've never really and for the same reason i've never really discussed it because i've always thought like well you know if i

fail or what if i never stop you know i don't want to be a failure and how embarrassing and all that kind of stuff but even just talking about it has made me so much more motivated so much more excited yeah um but you know what i find it interesting that you haven't written it down like i'm looking around your office looking at your like there's a lot of stuff right now like no room on your walls for anything from all like the lists and stuff like look at this yeah yeah you don't have your

own personal bucket list not a bucket list but i have goals and things i want to achieve and i guess if you asked me to write it down i'd be able to oh i'd be able to write down a fair chunk of it like what i'd actually want to do here's a question yes do you think goals and bucket list items are different or the same that's a very good question i think they're different i think like for me a bucket list is just a list of things and for me it's experiences i think a

bucket list should be and i say should be but my bucket list should be because everyone else will have their own definition of a bucket list but i feel as though a bucket list should be experiences and goals should be things you want to achieve and whether they're two in the same or one or different i don't know i write down my goals somewhat i don't write down them write them down as much as maybe i should or maybe i think that i want to um but a lot of that's come because i've come back

to the my a lot of my goals is being present now and loving now and enjoying what i'm doing now rather than worrying about where where am i going to be in six 12 months like i know that in four or five months i'll be in south america on top of a mountain like is a bucket list item to be there yes like yes a matching picture would probably be on my bucket list and but i'm going to be there in march so does that mean it needs to be like written down on a piece

of paper yeah maybe maybe not um yeah i don't know it's an interesting one it's something that i probably haven't really thought about properly yeah i mean things like would you put like get married and have a baby not even a little bit yeah i mean that's something that i want to do one day but i don't know if that's like that's not really a goal or a bucket list thing is it really it's a goal yeah it's a goal yeah it's probably a b goal yeah i'm reading it i'm reading that book at the

moment um start with why awesome no that's different to that isn't it well it's it's different but it's same concept same idea same concept yeah what have you learned from start with why um so like the one thing that i realized the other day and actually like i didn't write any book i promise you're more than welcome to write in my book it's a really nice clean book seriously writing my book um i i usually underline things that i love but i wrote down on my own piece of paper i highlight so feel free to

highlight stuff okay um i like went about operating from the outside in this is the inside out um which was like oh like yeah just really amazing and the whole the whole start with why yeah um so the example that they used with like apple and saying instead of apple saying like we are a computer company we make computers buy our shit you know they say like our goal is to challenge the status quo um we do this through amazing technology we also make like beautiful computers and you know they sell you the lifestyle want

to buy one buy our stuff yeah yeah and it's like so different instead of being like yeah instead of like limiting yourself to like what you do and how you do it living in like the sense of why you're doing what you're doing i was like this is the shit and but it's so simple and it's like why wasn't i thinking that way before yeah yeah and i like i was like once i read that book and listened to it and and listened to all of simon's next uh like podcast and um that he'd been

on and all of his uh ted talks and things like that it's i sat there and wrote down like i actually didn't do this for me as a as an individual but i did it for my business i did what is our why um what do we do and how do we do it and what do we do yeah and that's been kind of like it's on the wall behind your head like it's been something that i come back to daily like i'm sitting in here and we're talking about it before i was getting annoyed

that you know some amazing podcast had had you know 300 listeners less than one that's wasn't so amazing well not not not so amazing but wasn't as kind of groundbreaking as i thought the other one was and i was getting annoyed at it and i'm like well why am i doing a podcast right i'm doing it because i like i want to have some amazing conversations with some cool people which i'm doing and i want to allow people to have learn lessons and educate people and empower people to buy the conversations i'm having like through

the conversations i'm having because i think everyone's everyone's hindsight is other people's foresight right if i can learn that you deal with death this way then maybe i can learn something about that so when i have to deal with death like yeah and and when it when you come back to well this is why i'm doing it then you know it's you don't have that anxiety or that frustration or that disappointment about not hitting your goals yeah why do you play football because i love playing football with my mates i like the team environment also

if you didn't win bad luck but you like you enjoy doing it right like why are you a nurse yeah exactly yeah exactly yeah so why are we why have you done a few business and not yourself and that's a good question do you think being being lucky who is the ceo of vertice and vertice is a huge part of your life but you are yourself before you in vertice do you and vertice share the same why i think so yeah yeah and i think the reason why vertice and us share the same why is

because it's it's like what i've created and what i've fostered and grown and built and and everything that that is what i am is what i'm trying to promote and grow through vertice like if you ask me why i do what we what i do it's exactly the same as what why vertice does what what we do and i guess the magical part about it is there's it's the same but there's a lot more arms because there's a lot more different people so there's a yeah there's a physio component of it there's a myotherapy component

there's a pilates a yoga like there's all these different components of it that allow other people to join my wife and one of the things that we're talking about in the podcast another podcast i did which for you guys this thing will be a couple of weeks ago but it was only yesterday we were talking about like building a boat and as a team like the team builds a boat and we want everyone sailing on the same sea so that we're all working towards the same goal and i think i'm fairly fortunate that i've been

able to choose and have some of my team choose me to they come here because they're all here for the same reason and yeah whether whether my why it would be slightly different to the vertice one that i've written down it probably would be because it would include a little bit more adventure and world travel and things like that but like to go back to the abc goal setting which you've done yeah yeah you finish it doing doing yeah which is fine like i said it's gonna take months sometimes yeah like my sea goal has

both a personal element and a vertice album right like and i love putting my goals out there for the world to hear and i love writing them down and letting people know about them because it like you said it makes it real and and we'll talk about failure in a minute but and if you fail you fuck up doesn't matter because you can just move forward and like my sea goal is to be able to grab my lovely better half kp and travel anywhere in the world for three months and know that vertice and everyone

in it will continue to improve and get better while i'm away but that's my seagull that's my thing that scares and excites me at the same time because if i'm able to do that i'm technically not needed at vertice anymore which is kind of which something that like as like someone who's created like it's kind of a cool feeling but kind of a scary feeling yeah um but then i have the ability to adventure and learn and grow as a person which is only going to help vertice down the track i was going to say

because you always say that your goal is to to make the world a better place and you know you said like my you know my goal like includes a lot more travel but then if you go you know so why does like what about travel blah blah but why yeah um i guess it still comes back to it can still relate back to your goal of yeah you know you want to travel to make yourself better so then you can use those experiences to make the world better 100 and like each individual is just a

sum of all their experiences right i i'm probably somewhat of an optimist when if you were to ask me if my glass is empty or full it's empty at the moment but i guess i truly think that people aren't necessarily good or bad they're just filled with good or bad experiences which can shape their their mindset and their i guess their who they are and not i don't think you can't change who you are if you've had if you've grown up with 25 years of bad experiences who am i to tell you you're a bad

person yeah but i want to be able to help foster positive growth right so yeah i think that's i don't know why i started talking about that but i think that i think that's a really important one that if you're if you use those experiences to help make the world a better place you don't necessarily yeah even like we're talking about altruism yesterday and like there's no such thing as true altruism because if you're helping someone you feel good about it but isn't that like kind of the most kind of the point that's kind of

the main reason for it all that's one of the reasons i do it makes me feel good about myself and i've always said that like when others are happy i'm happy and how can i achieve that i can achieve that through helping other people with nothing but one thing that i was just thinking about then when you were saying like a person's just a sum of all their experiences do you think that you can choose to like to not be your experiences or how like what percentage of your experiences are you because say you know

as a child growing up i was neglected by my parents i could then become an adult who is you know not very outgoing and is not ambitious and who sees herself as a failure and you know just doesn't want to achieve anything has no drive because you know i've been neglected i've got low self-esteem you know i'm going nowhere i'm nothing yeah or you know and maybe that's consumed me 100 of that experience has just become me yeah versus i can look at that and think hell no like i don't want to be like that

that i'm not going to let that happen to me yes it has happened but i'm only going to let that influence me to be better so i put it to you that are we really are some of our experiences or i'm gonna i'm gonna contradict myself because i'm not i'm human and i fuck up i i still i think we're some of our experiences but i also believe that we are who we are as a person and what life is is like life's 90 like 10 what happens to us and 90 of how we deal

with it and some people may not have the ability when they're a young guy if they're neglected by their parents to actually have the the sense of mind and their and their they haven't developed themselves they're not developed i guess intellectually and emotionally enough to actually go you know what that's bullshit i don't want to be like that i don't want to react like that but i think that if we allow us if we have people that help us work work on that and we put ourselves in environments where we're able to foster that positivity

then you're going to be okay and you're going to find those areas where you know what yes i was neglected and yes i didn't have the happiest childhood but i'm not going to let that define me as a human yeah and yeah and and yeah yeah it's how you react to the experiences i think it's the answer yeah so we're some of how we react to the experiences that we go through in life yeah which i guess comes back to mindfulness and being conscious and being present and maybe that's something that as a society and

as a whole we need to focus on that more in schools and it can sound like some people who aren't into like mindfulness is such like a taboo word and like it's like one of those it words at the moment you know well it's just like people when you say like i meditate or i practice mindfulness and people are like what like and they just think you're off with the fairies but yeah like but that but that's just ignorance right like that's like and i like i can be ignorant i'm sure i'm still ignorant about

a bunch of different topics like like your food choices which we'll talk about later but like that's something that as we develop and we we allow ourselves to develop intellectually through and emotionally through our i think it really happens 20 to 28 where we start to go you know what you know this is how i view the world now and this is my you know not many 16 year olds think about how they view the world right not many 16 year olds think about what's happening with politics or global warming or how their actions affect

everyone else they're just worried about them which is perfectly okay because they're developing and they're moving through that but i think when we when we get to the age of yeah 20 to 30 let's make a big big big gap and we start to think that shit gratitude is important shit mindfulness is important perspective is important all of these things are important why don't we talk about them more yeah it's and it comes from yeah and it comes from just having like for me it's just having that conversation like if i talk to you about

it you'll talk to someone else about it talk to someone else about it and next thing you know you've got and like i think our generation has an incredibly powerful responsibility to start talking about a lot of these things because it's probably something that hasn't like that um that macho bravado that you know hard work's all i need and you know i don't want to show my emotions and all that kind of stuff that's kind of dying out a little bit and like definitely is in the environments i surround myself in so if we allow

ourselves to say you know what my mindfulness is incredibly important gratitude is incredibly important perspective is incredibly important fulfillment is incredibly important like you know you ask a you ask a 60 year old about fulfillment and like or job fulfillment and they'll say well i go to work i work and provide from my family i retire get a gold watch that's it right you ask a 25 year old or a 22 year old about job fulfillment and they'll say well here's my why like ideally here's my why this is why i do it this is

why i get up and go to work every day i didn't ask you the first question i've been asking everyone lately oh my god oh no i might ask i'll ask it at the end yeah well interestingly enough like yeah as you say like maybe maybe not so many teenagers and young kids are practicing mindfulness and i guess um that highlights a big a big gap for that in like in the education industry and i think coming back to what i said before a lot of people do you think it's pretty woo-woo and pretty i

don't know just not not maybe it's it's not i don't know people just don't not many people believe in it or maybe aren't so open to it as such i think when you've experienced it though and when you allow yourself to experience it you're like holy shit there's something here yeah what is mindfulness to you well even like when you just said you know not me 16 years practicing but when when you're 20 and 30 like we realize how important it is it kind of reminds me of one of the main reasons why i started

fit with georgia or why it's evolved into what it has um which i touched on one of the first podcasts i did a while ago but i haven't like i speak about it every now and then but i guess like my main story gets lost over the years that i've that i've had my instagram and maybe newcomers look at it and think like oh this girl is a nurse and does yoga um which is true very true um but one of the main reasons it started was because um so i started it when i was

pro i was 19 2020 um and i don't know i woke up i was having trouble with like my friends and i for for years for a long time at school and all of that and after i graduated i sort of never really felt like i fit in i never really felt like i fit in 100 um and i always felt a little bit sort of a black sheep or just not quite in with the crowd and i always just thought it was me and like you know maybe i'm just you know i'm not you

know maybe i need you know a new dress or need the legs heels or maybe i need to be seen out which is a 19 is a perfectly okay thought process right yeah yeah yeah and i'm completely like i don't have any regrets about it and it's yeah there's no nothing that i think was bad about that but um yeah i also felt like i didn't really fit in until um oh yeah and so i was having like issues like with my friends and yes i just felt like i didn't really fit in and one

day i woke up and i just thought and i was doing stuff that i like i knew i didn't enjoy or that i didn't really want to do and yeah not bad stuff but like i was going out drinking and partying and i was like stuff that wasn't serving you yeah and i was like i don't enjoy this and i didn't feel good and it made me feel like nervous and anxious and i just i just wasn't like productive to to how i wanted to be acting and thinking and feeling yet i kept on doing

it until one day i just woke up and i felt like fuck that like i don't want to do this anymore i'm not gonna be like that like i'm just gonna like i've had enough like i've had enough of forcing myself to try and fit in and feeling crap so it's pretty pretty huge thing to act like as a but not any 20 year old to actually go you know what that's not gonna be me anymore yeah it was really hard and especially like that meant throwing like not throwing away but um letting go of

a lot of connections and relationships and friendships and the definition that i've built of myself sort of letting that go yeah um yet it wasn't a real definition of myself it wasn't hard to do um and coming back to like the whole mindfulness is that like i guess i'm pretty lucky that i had the ability to sort of look at it and realize at the time and think like yeah like i don't i'm unhappy i don't want to be like that anymore so i'm going to change but perhaps that could have happened years earlier yeah

if i had had that but yeah i like one of the quotes i love is what if you were to live your life again what mistakes would you make and and i can't remember who said it but he said i'll make the same mistake or would you make the same mistakes again so yes i would make the same mistakes again i'd just make them faster i like that yeah yeah which which shows that like it that would have happened when it was when you're ready ready for it to happen and i think that your ability

to and that's not a normal thing for a 19 20 year old to do you know what i'm going to be a different person or i'm going to be the person i'm meant to be i'm going to stop being this different person yeah what do you think allowed you to do that um well number one i was just fed up with feeling like i don't belong yeah um and then talking about like being surrounded by like that community of people that have been mindful of people that are enjoying you know different things in life is

that i finally discovered my kind of people and that's i guess how i describe them is that i started practicing yoga at home and i started doing um yoga classes and i came across this group like these these type of people these personalities that i didn't even know existed and it was almost as if my mind and my body like did this big exhale and like a breath of fresh air and just went like oh like i finally found my people and i finally like found where i fit in um i didn't know they were

out there and that's why i sort of felt like i was the one being the loser and that i didn't remember long it was because yeah i didn't i didn't know that my people were out there and it turns out my people are you know like the kind of mindful conscious like healthy driven people um was it something that got easier the the more momentum you created for yourself was it something that when you i guess made that conscious decision to to i'm not i don't want to use the word change but to move more

towards who you were as a person do you find it did you feel it got easier kind of every little step you took yeah i guess it got easier in the sense that like i started to feel so much better about myself and i felt so much more confident and i felt like i fit in and i felt comfortable and i felt like wanted and loved and um validated and like appreciated whereas in the past like i always just felt like i was forcing myself to try and fit in and like it's like trying to

fit a square through a circle with like it's just a great analogy yeah you know and as much as you try and it's just gonna damage the square right yeah and you know and so i'm the square you know you're damaging yourself trying to fit in with everything else but um yeah i think the biggest and scariest step is is letting go of that definition that i built of myself for the past 19-20 years yeah um and turning around um and i'm i'm a pretty cold turkey kind of person like i'm like really like one

or the other um and so i literally just dropped everything that i've done um were those friends and those people you're hanging out with were they school friends yeah yeah like something i was talking about was made the other day about like school friends versus real friends and yes you can create real friends at school right but your you know whatever school you go to you might only have 100 other people in your level and then if you're in a class you might only have 20 other people in that class and what you're meant to

create and some people do create lifetime friends in that class because you connect with someone but if you don't that's okay yeah like you're only in one very small pocket of a school that's in a very small pocket of a region which is in a very small pocket of the city yeah which is a very small pocket of the country in the world like like it's a yeah there's like for the people out there if you are struggling to find your people and i like i love that way like the way you put it yeah

then like go somewhere else or not necessarily go somewhere else but put yourself in different environments like if you love mindfulness go to a yoga class if you love movement go join a strength conditioning gym like if if you love travel jump on a jump on a tour like go travel somewhere like if you i'm big on passion and purpose and if you follow what you love doing then you're gonna find your people you're gonna find like i've been lucky enough to find my staff like i haven't found my staff because we went to school

together i've found my staff because we've all been able to grow a vision together right and then and you've been able to move yourself out of that environment of your school friends who like they were just there so you became friends with them friends of convenience or friends out of convenience it sounds kind of mean but we went to school together five days a week and therefore we became friends but outside of school when things you know we moved on we became like adults at 18 um we didn't have things in common anymore and letting

go of that um yeah it was probably one of the scariest things um but also like one of the best the most gratifying things yeah one of the one of the most i think it's the most selfish things you can do but also the most selfless is if you're not in an environment that's if you're in an environment that's not serving you then you need to remove yourself from that environment because if it's not serving you then you're not gonna be serving everyone else and yeah that ability to move from that environment allows you to

one serve yourself and then serve everyone else and most people just want to make the world a better place like like i know you do yeah and if you're able to be in an environment that serves you and that brings you up and that pumps up your tires and that helps you you know be you then the world's gonna be a better place right and you're gonna help all those people when they're down and when they need the help so why don't you why do you think so many people don't move out of those groups

or move on or break free of those definitions or those constraints that they've put on themselves that they've sort of inherited as they've grown up what do you like why do you think that some people still stuck in in that why do you think some people still smoke because it's convenient they've been doing it for 20 years like it's it's yeah it's habit right and and they'll tell them like they'll almost convince themselves that that's the right thing we are incredibly good at convincing ourselves that whatever we're doing is the right thing or that we

want something or whatever and i think when we allow ourselves to think consciously like back to that quote before we were able to be proactive and you were you were thinking consciously right you were able to go this isn't serving me this isn't me i want to move out of this situation and out of this area so here's what i'm going to do i'm going to yeah i'm going to change my environment right and i think if you're and a lot of people do meet lifetime friends at school which is awesome like like perfect um

you don't have to look anymore yeah exactly exactly but that's exactly it and it's like it's not to say that those people aren't good people right yeah but there's good people and there's your people like it's it's different like yes they're nice people but they're just not my people like i think that's okay yeah and yeah i think the convenience is a big one and that inability to be proactive yeah and one thing that like one thing why i asked is like i guess my idea in it and it's it's a again it's like i

swear every part of my life at the moment is like something that i've heard in a podcast um but that just goes by you're but you relate to it right yeah it's because it's relatable but i heard this quote and it says um all people need is permission to behave which i really really like um and some people might notice like on my instagram in my comments or in my stories i sometimes give people permission to do something and you know maybe all i needed no one gave me the permission i i'm lucky that i

did it myself but sometimes you know all you need is for someone to say like and i actually love saying it like in in such a simple straightforward way you know you have permission today i give you permission to let go of something that no longer serves you today i give you permission to step out of that little comfort zone and maybe um approach someone or something that you've always been interested in that you haven't you know that you haven't been daring to do so yet um but yeah like that most people all you need

is these permission from someone else to yeah to behave um and if you don't want to get it from someone else give yourself permission to do that like give yourself permission to sit down and set goals and to sit down and write your bucket list and to sit down and start chasing that big crazy dream that that you didn't that you haven't done so far because you're you're of your you know worry that you get a fail or why you're not going to get to where you want to get to give yourself permission to like

for me like i didn't realize at the time but i i was i was giving myself permission to let go of the georgie that i thought i was and the friendships that i that i had that i thought that like i valued to i guess chase a sensation or a feeling that i'd only just gotten a taste of um and just pursue that and i gave myself permission to let go of what i knew wasn't right for me even though that was what was comfortable and that was sort of what i knew and just giving

myself permission to just go for it and yeah and change is hard like it takes it takes conscious effort yeah that like repetitive consistent effort all right if we want to change something and like from a psychological point of view it's hard from a physiological point of view it's hard like three weeks to make a change yeah some of that's like yeah you know 57 days to make a make something a habit i just made that number up but i assume it'll work if you do something for 57 days i assume it'll be a habit

just don't make it like heroin or something please yeah you wouldn't make it surely no maybe if anyone does let us know um but i think that ability to to and like i only heard that quote today but that ability to be conscious of everything you do if you want to lose weight awesome but you've got to be conscious of every decision you make that it is actually moving you towards that if you want a new group of friends like same like that sounds really that sounds really bad but if you if you feel as

though you need a new group of friends then awesome make that conscious decision to do that if you want to make a change in your career path right same deal you're doing exactly the same stuff and don't be afraid to fail georgie talk to me what is failure to you failure well it just my mind snaps back to the definitions the definition of success that i gave you in our last podcast and my definition of success is to realize your true potential and to live it wholeheartedly and passionately and uninhibited by anything else and just

to embody what your true purpose is and some of us know what our purpose is and some of us have realized early and some of us you know still working on finding it yeah yeah and that's fine but doing things to help you get towards it so for me i guess failure would be um maybe knowing what your purpose is or having those things in reach or knowing what you can do to get there but maybe ignoring it or letting it pass or dropping the ball or just not like failure to to catch on to

go for it um out of fear out of you know not wanting to rock the boat or out of you know not wanting to step outside of the status quo or yeah yeah i think it's a real shame to waste like your potential to to not meet your true purpose um out of out of fear of like repercussions or what someone else might think of you yeah do you think failure can be a good thing yeah yeah like that's my i guess yeah that's like my definition of like life failure yeah but failure just in

general things you know failure to meet a deadline failure to achieve your goal failure you know to pass a test or whatever like um i'm a big fan of the saying that you know there's like a lesson in everything and that um whether you realize it now or later you know there's always something that you can learn from it and i think that is one of the best things that helps us grow yeah but it's a matter of being able to be conscious and being able to realize that there is a lesson there somewhere and

not just being able to think like okay i failed yeah i failed that's it i think as someone that has failed over and over again for a long period of time it's been the one thing that's allowed me to progress and to continually move forward and like i'm someone that like hunts progression and wants to be moving forward all the time but all those failures even though at the time that they were the worst thing worst thing or a bad thing that could have happened they're the things that have that i look back on now

and went you know what if that didn't happen we wouldn't be here and if that didn't happen then i wouldn't have done this and then this person wouldn't have been helped or this wouldn't have changed or we wouldn't have been able to to run this event or whatever and that ability to embrace failure and embrace fucking up and embrace making mistakes like because we're like i said before we're all human right if we can do that and do that consistently consistently and do that you know without not doing things for that fear of failure you're

going to be successful you're going to achieve things you're going to do things that you never thought you could because you're putting yourself out there and making yourself vulnerable enough to fuck up and to not do the right thing all the time yeah well what kind of lessons do you learn from success probably not as much as what you learned from failure that's what i yeah i guess that's one of my thoughts yeah and that like it brings me back to like what you said before is where are some of our experiences if you're some

of your experience like you'd be a failure right but where are some of the our of how we react to those experiences exactly but it's like back to that same word it's mindfulness and being mindful of we if i succeed then and this is kind of like a two-part answer but if i succeed i want to give myself a pat on the back um and like like you were saying before that you struggle to give yourself pats on the back sometime and i think everyone does and i think whether that's like i was talking to

a couple of friends who just um just graduated medicine right and they are able to were unable to give themselves pats on the back for finishing because it doesn't feel real right but you've like if anyone else like they said it started feeling real when everyone else started saying well done yeah and when you're able to go you know what like i've achieved this amazing feat i need to give myself a pat on the back but on the other hand if it's a little if it's a little win if it's a little success story and

my goal for this week was to get to the gym three times i got to the gym three times that is amazing like that's just as good and you deserve just as much pat on the back for doing that right if you want to want to i don't know compete in an iron man right and you your training program tells you that you need to do two runs this week one ride one swim and you do that bravo pat on the back and i think our ability to celebrate that win and those little wins as

well as the big ones because everyone kind of either celebrates nothing or i don't know i don't really know why maybe for a yeah i don't know maybe not wanting to feel egotistical or feel um yeah self self uh i don't know but and then our ability to understand that those little wins are just as important because they're the ones that allow you to get to the big wins like i love using the analogy of like i think everyone gets to the bottom of a mountain looks at the top and goes i want to be

at the summit right and then some people will walk halfway up and go no it's too hard walk back down but for the people that actually achieve and succeed and they're the ones that get halfway up and they're tired and need to stop for a rest and then are able to enjoy the view and then you know move a little bit further and stop for a rest and able to enjoy the view and then eventually if you keep working at it you keep trudging along you're going to get to the top yeah and then you

get to the top and you look at the sunrise and you enjoy enjoy it you're great grateful for that moment you're present and then you look over and there's another mountain that's a little bit bigger and you're like i want to climb to that like for me that is life like that's how life works yeah you achieve something you give yourself a pat on the back you're going to fail a bunch of times doing it but then you go you know what's next what's the next achievement that i'm gonna that i'm gonna work towards for

sure and what like what have you learned from those failures you know maybe fail halfway up the mountain you think like shit should have been more prepared should have bought food so you know exactly but you've learned to lesson so that failure you've learned you've learned part of the lesson and then next time you'll be better yeah one of my favorite edison quotes is i didn't i've never failed i've just worked out a thousand ways that don't work i like that yeah but it's so perfect with whatever we do i'm very true like we're not

perfect you're gonna fuck up just do your best at that time and you'll get to where you want to get to and that ability to be consistent over a long period of time like it's something that i've probably talked about a bunch on the podcast but good shit takes time so if you want something like none of this shit comes easy like yeah you want to be a nurse cool you got to go to uni for like for a bunch of years right like you want to you want to be a yoga instructor like you

got to go to go to uh i'm about to say italy shit different country i'm sure you can probably say italy very different but you've just you've you've been the bullet right in the last podcast i think you spoke about maybe wanting to do it but not being sure when yes and do you know what was one of my key motivating factors what's that was a quote that i heard from this guy um he's like it's kind of cool um and it said you've got to do something that both scares you and excites you who

said that i don't know no um seriously though like i've heard you say that a few times lucky and it really was playing in their mind and i'd said that i wanted to do it but there was this fear of committing and fear of maybe i was afraid of failing at becoming a yoga teacher and it's next year like a whole year away yeah yet i was letting this random like tiny little fear hold me back from what i've already said and what i knew i wanted to do yeah um and it both scared the

shit out of me and it excited me and so i was a big bullet and thought fuck it i'm gonna do it i love that yeah i love that so much yeah it's cool to know that people actually listen to me sometimes but that's the thing like everyone goes i don't do that bit because it's scary and i'm like well does it excite you at the same time yeah everyone's like shit yeah it does like yeah it's scary but it's kind of what i always wanted and when you're able to i guess move away from

that fear a little bit and and focus on the exciting part you go you know what that fear is going to be okay yeah and like a little bit good good luck finding someone who's jumped out of a plane and regrets it like sorry let me rewind jumped out jumped out of a plane with a parachute on landed and and regretted it like so many people will go i am so scared of heights and they they they will themselves to jump out of a plane and they get down there like let's do it again or

they go that was amazing that was life-changing that was game-changing but fuck i'm never doing that again yeah like like my mum's an example we this was years ago like kp and i went to go skydiving and mum just drove us there all right because she wanted to be there and the lady said to us at the counter she's like we've had someone pull out would you like to do it as well mom goes no yeah and i'm like you're doing it and she goes no and i remember sitting down for like we had like

a three-hour wait like it was one of those days and we were talking to mum about it and then we stopped talking to mum and she's like talking to herself like no i can't do it i can do it no no i can't do it yeah and like she kind of convinced herself we gave her the little push yeah like you ask her now and i think she'll probably tell you it's one of the like best things she's ever done because she was able to go like we didn't actually use that language did you did

this scare and excite you back then but i'm sure if i said to her did that excite you she'll be like well she yeah of course it did mum would never swear so i'm paraphrasing yes but exactly exactly um but was it scary and she'll be like of course it was scary but she did it and you know and you're going to be exactly the same you're going to go and and spend a month in italy obviously india and and become an amazing yoga instructor because it's something that excites you but it scared you and

you're going to look back and go i can't believe that scared me yeah and if more people could do that i think the world would be a much happier exciting place because you've got you know thousands millions of people following their dreams and finding things that they love to do and reaching their potential through through chasing those dreams and all that and i guess that is like in a weird way you could link it back to just needing permission to behave you know in the back of my mind i was thinking like you know does

it fear and does it scare me and excite me and you know not that that's i guess a behavior but it was like a piece of permission that was like that's what you need to do hello hey hey reese welcome to the podcast first time reese johnson's been on the podcast i get around him what a man if only this was visual because geez you're looking good are you going to janice see you soon no i won't i won't edit that out see you mate um and yeah that's but almost like i all kind of

in a roundabout way almost gave you permission to do that um without realizing it well it was one of the key motivating factors and i was like yeah like this is awesome and you know 99 it was you and you just needed that little nudge nudge out of the plane and you and you and you didn't and now you're doing it so what what do you hope to gain from doing that training over in india rather than just doing it here oh the travel element definitely the worldliness um for me i've gone like straight from

high school to uni to work and i've not done any like i guess official like worldly kind of travel um since i've left school um so that's yeah one thing that's always been on my mind but i just haven't had the money to do it um and after working from i will have worked for almost three years by the time i go um i'll definitely have the funds to be able to do that um so yeah like incorporating the trip to india i'm going to do more travel as well um awesome become a bit more

well stealthy yeah but what what was your question i can't remember well that you answered the question it was why why india rather than just doing it here yeah i mean like why not i guess is the right answer like why there was the opportunity to go to india or there was opportunity to do it in melbourne both with the same company both are going to be absolutely awesome but yeah 100 although nothing why would like india get around me plus i've heard they do really good vegan food so yeah on that you're a vegan

no meat yeah no meat or meat like products why as as as a rabid meat eater and someone that loves meat in terms of for sustenance both sustenance and for the taste why not well this is you caught me at an interesting time because i haven't really told many people she's back no no i have started including some animal products back into my diet which is something that i've been like afraid to talk about i guess in terms of like fit with georgia and like my definition of that because a lot of people think of

me as vegan um and that's like for like some health some health reasons and some health adventures that i'm going through and i'm sort of experimenting with yeah um as i've said before like i'm really sort of one or the other i'm pretty extreme i'm either like all in or all out pretty cold turkey um so when i decided i wanted to go vegan i just did it overnight 100 like i ate meat one day woke up nothing yeah um and in that sense i've i've been really like you know how i said like i'm

a very by the book nurse and i was a very by the book vegan um i'm very like i can be quite extreme um not like ocd or anything like that but just very um just like i guess into it yeah um and yeah part of me has just started to realize that like like for my health i've i've had a few things pop up lately where um i hate to admit it because the first thing everyone wants to do is blame the vegan diet for you got a cold everyone's like it's because you're vegan

you're like i don't even rush everyone's like are you sick oh it's because you're missing protein or something um so i hate to admit it but i i don't think it's because of that but i do think some animal products will be able to help me um sort of maybe get things back on track um and so i give myself the permission to experiment and let that definition sort of sway that label is just a label like yeah we should allow ourselves fluidity and what our decision making process is and why we do certain things

right like if you ask me like five years ago i was a raging atheist who like hated everything to do with religion right yet now i'm a raging atheist that is understanding of a lot of areas of religion so you know that's one part of it right um the way i train has adapted and grown and improved over time as my experience as i react to my experiences yeah so your experiences of the like the medical stuff you've got going on at the moment which like bravo because you've been pretty open about it on your

social media which i think is pretty cool yeah well that comes back to my why is my why which i didn't really speak about but i i know what my why is um and it's kind of like it my why then links into like i guess what your why is as well is that my why is that i want to be able to use myself and my experiences my knowledge and everything about me to help other people learn experience grow to empower them to help them be better people and i guess if we're all better

people then the world's going to be a better place great why so my why has always been to um like i guess you can simplify it as the use of self to empower others and that's why i'm i like to be transparent or like i like to share that kind of stuff because i know that i'm not the only one out there that goes through whatever i go through not the first one not the last one um and also like same with um same death or one thing that i i want i meant to bring

up but i didn't the same thing with like mental health and all that like why not talk about that kind of stuff yeah and sometimes it just takes one you know you know how someone like a football player like an influential person in our media will come out and say like taking a step back from footy because i'm depressed and it's huge everyone's like oh my god like good on them well done like and then we're still talking about it yeah breaking the steam about depression then everyone's like oh don't talk about depression anymore um

so yeah why not like why not use that kind of stuff to be able to help if i can talk about like something that i'm going through and feeling lost and worried and you know upset about it might help someone else yeah and like what a great thing and that but that's why like a why i love podcasts right like you can listen to a two-hour podcast and you get 10 minutes worth of knowledge bombs out of it and you use those knowledge bombs every day for the rest of your life right that's how many

things have we dropped from a podcast yeah and that's exactly it like you're gonna have to start referencing podcasts yeah i know um yeah joe rogan tim ferris at two i'm on at the moment and a bunch of audiobooks but we'll get to that and uh sam harris treat yourself um but i think that ability to for people to talk about it more like the people that listen to this stuff are almost the people that don't need to listen to this stuff if that makes sense like i think everyone listening is listening because they want

that enlightenment and they want that improvement and they want that growth and they they want to see progress whereas and i'm sure like all of you guys who are listening at the moment can sit here and go you know there's three or four people in my life that fuck i wish they would listen to this or listen to another podcast and actually improve their way but like this is me giving you permission to start to help implement some of the things that you're learning in their lives like don't be that pushy person that says you

have to do this or you have to do that but start to drop little little easter eggs of improvement vegan easter eggs uh yeah no thanks easter eggs was more of a metaphor joji than actual easter eggs little knowledge bombs exactly but like it's it's an easy one like if we can make the world a better place by having this conversation so that 20 other people or 50 other people or 2 000 people or whoever listen to it and if they're able to make those conversations normal then all of those conversations about death and about

mental health and about journaling and about mindfulness and our gratitude they start to happen a little bit more often and i think that's where we're kind of headed as a as a like especially our generation like i can't necessarily speak for people that are 10 years older than me or 10 years younger than me but i definitely know i'm starting to notice that and again probably partly because of the environment i surround myself in but the people i'm talking to daily and you know weekly the people that are starting to think about these things yeah

um everyone wants to be better and everyone wants to be happier and healthier and all those kind of things and i think that your ability to think critically and listen to people who are going through those things and like like you said you're just a vessel for people to learn and and teach themselves off so it becomes that perfect environment where everyone's helping everybody yeah i think um and interestingly i think the way that your business differs from like what i do is that you've got sort of maybe more adults that come into your gym

or people that are that are ready to contemplate like life for purpose or you know they're at that age where they're in charge of themselves yeah which is really hard yeah they know what they're doing is that they might be starting to get an idea of what they're about um whereas i've noticed a lot of a lot of people that follow me are young girls um young teenage girls and so not that i feel like i have the responsibility but i definitely think there's a place for me to be able to like to be able

to share but it's a pretty powerful position to be in right yeah if you can help all those young girls start to understand that you don't need to just follow the crowd and follow the peer pressure and and you can if you love drawing draw like if you love dancing dance like if you love gymnastics do gymnastics like start to identify what those things are that you love and that you are passionate about and then like like i said to you before like one of my favorite i think i said to one of my favorite

words at the moment is fulfillment like your ability to fulfill yourself and fill your your soul is the hippiest thing i've ever said i don't know if it's souls i think but if you feel the idea of a soul up with things that you love doing you're probably going to be happy right and one of my one of the things that i use one of the little activities i use with the people around me if they're struggling right i'll say write down the 30 things that you love to do let's start doing them and you

start to build up and this is something that i've taken bits and pieces from greg like you start to fill up those that bank of good memories then you've got you know if you're in a shitty spot then that's okay be shitty be annoyed be you know cry do all whatever you need to do but then you have those good memories to come back to um and yeah and yeah i think that's that's incredibly powerful thing that you've got and that you're able to make a difference to so many people and yes it's a responsibility

to a point but and i just think about myself looking back to the reason why i started fit with georgia is that like when i was at my 1920 and sort of going through that the people that i was looking up to was skinny models in bikinis on the beach and that's who i looked up to on social media and that's what i thought probably not a lot of substance yeah and i thought that's what meant to be cool and that's what meant to be validated and popular and that's what i needed to be yeah

i wasn't like that therefore i'm not good enough and like it's just that kind of cycle and yeah to know that maybe maybe i'll have the opportunity to reach one two thousands hundreds you know of people um with one little glimmer of experience or with multiple yeah yeah and then it's their ability to take that little nugget of knowledge and run with it and do like and use it for what they want um like one of the like when we did the abc goal setting when i talked to you about it right we talked about

the the ability to allow your desires to drive what you want to want to do right and if you can go what are my desires what do i desire what do i really really really want and everything you do comes around that then you're probably going to get to a pretty cool spot in somewhere that you maybe you shouldn't you maybe thought that you couldn't get yeah by yourself how long do you have vertice form technically two or two and a bit like 25-6 months um yeah we've been in our facility for 25-6 months which

is really what vertice was i was pting out of my parents place out of a big shed out the back for as vertice maybe a year before that maybe half a year um and then um yeah just pting before that so it's something that like i use the i use the term uh it's gone so quick but so much has happened yeah in the last especially 12 months yeah um and that's the reason why i asked you this because people probably look at you and how like successful and how awesome you're doing and they might

look at me as well but it's taken me so i'm 24 and i started when i was like 19 just turning 20 like it's taken me four years to reach this level of knowledge and this level of consciousness exactly but that's exactly it to be able to understand and realize and reflect and really like put it all into like the bigger picture to piece those little pieces of puzzle together and same with you like people might might look at you know just from a snapshot or a picture or a quote or something that we put

online and think like like they're so lucky to have that yeah i'm not like that or yeah exactly but you know but it takes so much time and so much failure so much learning but yeah it's it's and so i wish it was something that i learned soon enough yeah and like if you go back like i joined the gym for the first time i was like 15 so like i'm 25 now like like yes i'm somewhat successful in some people's eyes and some days i think i am some days i think i'm not but

like that overnight success took 10 years of work and effort and then like 15 years of development before that and for those guys that are going well i don't have time for that or i don't necessarily know i don't want to spend the next three to five years doing that like i only started this in a podcast like 18 24 months ago like and they're just one of the like i love books as well like they're just one of the areas where i've allowed myself to grow and and improve my level of consciousness um which

again it's another one of the hippiest things i've ever said but but that ability to go you know what i don't want to just talk about the footy every day like i don't want to just talk about you know how many sets of bicep curls did in the gym like yes i'll still talk about that and three sets of 12 probably the best thing to do anyone that understands strength conditioning i'm taking the piss um but yeah that ability to and it's only really like really taken off since i started doing the podcast right like

having these conversations like for you guys listening like stop for a second and think when was the last time you had a conversation that was about life about death about gratitude about mindfulness about purpose about your goals about things that you love things you hate things you want to achieve like i've started doing this thing in my in my everyday life where the questions i ask in the podcast i start asking to people when i'm sitting down for a coffee or where we're sitting there when we're you know driving somewhere or whatever i'll go you

know what is what is your greatest desire like something like that or like you know what what gets you out of bed in the morning and you start asking those questions and everyone's got some pretty cool answers like even the people that are maybe a little bit closed off and don't necessarily talk about those things it makes them think and and when you ask them a really detailed question that you they know you've sat down and thought about properly they're gonna give you a pretty good answer like no one wants to answer a question like

you know what is your what are you most proud of no one wants to go i've cooked a really cool dinner last time like everyone wants to want to really think about their answer and when you start having those conversations and you start changing to steal from Laura Pinta you start changing the narrative around the regular conversations that everyone has you know enlightenment for lack of a better term starts to start to grow and starts to build through everyone yeah and i think that's so important but it's and it's not that hard like it's it's

it's a yeah everyone wants i like to think that everyone and maybe this is just optimistic me but i like to think that everyone wants to go deeper and everyone wants to learn more about everyone around i think people crave that and maybe once you start experiencing it then it becomes like a positive feedback loop and you start craving more and i know that's what i experienced when i when i found my people is that i wanted more of it and yeah it becomes like that positive feedback loop and that yeah you you're experiencing something

great and you're loving and it's gratifying it's fulfilling you feel good about it and stop breaking you might learn something and then maybe you might be inspired to do that with someone else or and i think if you allow yourself to do something different have a reason for it and have that thing that is driving you and your reason for that point in time might be right six months later you might look back and go that was wrong but it's allowed you to move to that point where you understood that it was wrong and you

haven't honestly made the best decision yeah which is kind of like well not that my diet has been a bad decision by going back to my diet that's yeah like so as i said i've always been really strict really kind of stubborn really like 100 one way or the other but yeah learning to like relax understand there's a couple of shades of grey in the middle right yeah and just like um giving myself permission to do what's right for me rather than what like legit i was terrified like i'm terrified to maybe eat eggs in

public in case someone sees me and goes george is vegan why is she eating an egg like how weird is that and it's for my own health but i'm terrified to do it but that's a like that's that label that i guess you've put upon you've created that for yourself whether like rightly or wrongly or intentionally or unintentionally and but you telling yourself that i don't care if someone sees me eating eggs and if they ask me fine um if they don't ask me and they they'll have their judgment but that's that's up to them

like it doesn't really matter like at the end of the day like if they communicate with you and have that conversation they'll go yeah that's probably fair like yeah and the p i think when you allow yourself to go yes there's black yes there's white but there's you know 48 shades of grey in between like allows you to 50. weird movie i guess i haven't actually seen it no neither um but i guess that like it allows you to go well you know i like the saying it's like 50 right there's 50 rows you got

50 shades of grey in my head um many roads lead to rome right so that just because one person's vegan doesn't mean that they always have to be vegan or doesn't mean that everyone else has to be vegan it means that if you do you do you you do this yeah exactly you do the thing that you think is right at that time and then you know you might get six months down the track and go you know what i don't need to eat eggs anymore it hasn't necessarily changed anything i'm going to try something

else yeah or you might go you know what bacon's delicious i'm just gonna load up on bacon i'm never even ready no but um yeah like what's interesting it's like the roads that lead to rome it's a similar way that i think about it is that like i always say um like there's multiple ways to bake a cake 20 different recipes to bake a cake still end up with cake yeah right my recipe might have something in it that yours doesn't but we both still end up with cake yeah um and you know my cake

is what i like and your cake might be what you like and that's what's right for you it's what's right for me that kind of thing and that yeah i've sort of started to realize that like i i was being pretty silly in like fear of what people would think of me and choosing that over what i sort of thought might be right for my own health so at the moment i'm in this big ethical debate because the whole reason why i like the reason why i decided to go plant-based vegan was um mainly for

like the like physiological health effects the negative health effects of eating animals and when i learned about that a lot of it spoke to me because of my health background and what i can understand about it yeah um and pretty quickly it became an ethical debate i learned about the effects of the environment like the well-being of animals how humans use and abuse animals and you know things like if we took all the grains that we feed to the cows to fatten them up to feed ourselves if we took that grain we could end poverty

and part of that just doesn't sit right with me is that and we know that there's signs that's like they're back set up yeah yeah and and then just like but that's your reason right like that's your justification for it yeah and like i like i love listening to joe rogan talking about his him talking about him he's hunting and hunting ethically and hunting and finding ethical meat and not fun and if i was in a position to do it i would love to do something similar right um but bacon's delicious so yeah and obviously

and obviously i'm being a little bit a little bit obnoxious so i apologize but i yeah i think that's really important that you've got your justification for that and that's okay but you don't you don't sit there and pick it and throw red paint on people that are sitting there eating their bacon sounds yeah exactly exactly so that's never going to get anyone anywhere is by like manipulating them or humiliating them well manipulation can get you somewhere but but yeah um yeah so it's a massive ethical debate for me at the moment is that like

part of me like doesn't agree with eating it but part of me is also really excited about experimenting and just seeing after after spending almost change pretty much two years of eating nothing um animal based um incorporating it back into the scene like i'm actually really excited now that i've got a better knowledge about my body and about like what i'm like what i eat all that i think it'll be really interesting and it's just in that like what you experience over the next six 12 months can be really interesting because you're going to have

that that kind of foresight for everyone else yeah to start to figure out oh maybe you should try this or maybe you should try this and then people can start to learn from you like they're like they're already doing talk to me about your journaling and i guess reflection that you do fairly regularly somewhat regularly you write monthly intentions yeah i do intentions yeah um that's a little like a little idea that i got from another favorite blogger of mine and it's just similar to like not like bucket listing but writing things down on paper

um i'm making it so real and something that's like tactile that you've you've officially put it down paper someone said to me the other day like the reason why that's so powerful is because you can't write fast and you can think okay i like that allows you to unpack whatever you put down on paper yeah you don't have to think about it i like that how's uh writing your intentions helped and what's your if you don't mind what's your process you go through so i guess i'll just think about things like each month things that

i've either been lacking or maybe something that i'd like to do or something that i'd like to improve on or like a gap somewhere that i feel like i can work on or just something like and then things that like i've always felt like you know it's like say someone says like oh like blah blah skydive and you go i've always wanted to do like write that down that's that's the opportunity for you to write that down like you know why would like stop saying like one day yeah write it down do it like what's

stopping you you know that kind of stuff so yeah just little things like that um for me though they've been like the reason i write intentions instead of monthly goals is that they i want them to be that continual process and that like not at the end of the month or it's not just going to be like achieve that goal move on forget about it it's like it's things that are just going to keep building on each other and how long you've been doing before now july i started so pretty much six months yeah yeah

so um i started and i'd write like five six seven kind of intentions but december i thought like i'm going to make it really simple um and it's self-love practicing on self-love yeah which as i said in like in the post where i explained is that that means a lot there's so many different things that's what it can look like yeah what are the what are the two things that you want to leave behind in 2017 that i want to leave behind um one of the intentions i'm sure i wrote it down i can't remember

what month was um to not let fear hold or fear fear of failure do not let fear of failure hold me back from doing things um i've signed up to at india i'm gonna go traveling like things like that where i've like just i have no idea why or like what it is but something in these always held me back and said like no not now not now like you know you'll fail blah blah um so yeah to not like that i love that and it's like i think it's pretty cool that we can almost

force ourselves to grow and achieve by simply jumping online and booking something like like maybe i don't remember how long ago it was now maybe september i booked a holiday to maybe it was even earlier i booked a holiday to south america in march right so six weeks in south america i've never left my business for more than like 12 days maybe 10 days yeah probably 10 days before um without being here and that scared the shit out but i kind of went well you know what if i don't spend the time away from vertice

it'll never change it'll always just be me you know doing all the things that i need to do and that decision like the difference between then and now like i've got three extra staff members that are now taking on you know 15 20 hours of work that i was doing and that's free my life up to be able to focus on growing the business down the track so that scared the shit out of me and but excited me at the same time yeah and i kind of went well i have to it's on me i

have to make it work between august and march or whenever it actually was and that's yeah it just forced me to do it yeah so that failure like if i just sat on my hands and didn't do anything and got too much went hey guys see you in six weeks then i was like wait what what's happening like then i would have failed yeah but that ability to force like and i say force myself but i forced myself to do it because i wanted to do it because it was something i desired and you've done

exactly the same thing like you've you have to go to india now you've booked it i've paid for it yeah i mean you're not going to do that right and like something that you've like having a couple of chats to you about it you've been kind of umming and ahhing about yeah knowing probably deep down that that was what you really wanted to do i just spoke about it for so long yeah and now you're doing it yeah but and that it only took like how long how long do you actually properly thought about booking

it before you actually clicked that button and booked it probably i mean a couple of weeks before um like an opportunity popped up on my radar with the company that i'm going with um like that popped up and then it was a couple of weeks where i was like i met up with one of the guys that's running it um one of the one of my favorite guys um my one base year teacher his name's josh hi josh um love him um and yeah and like we we got up for coffee and so chatted about

it and he said like i can tell that like you're ready for it and this is going to be great for you um and that was i guess sort of like that permission that like this is this is right for you yeah um and then that that quote that you say and it was all like in my mind i was like just doing it just a couple of things that's all it takes that's good that ability to be that little bit impulsive sometimes yeah and have that imperfect plan that you execute violently right now is

going to be so much better than that imperfect plan you do or that perfect plan you just try and sort out maybe down the track but yeah that's that whole tomorrow or later thing like that's a curse you've just got to break through it and make some make some stuff happen the other one oh yeah the other one i asked for two didn't i yeah good we also spoke about five you asked me for five things that i wanted that's okay um the other thing i'm gonna leave behind in 2017 um oh um probably probably

um i guess being like self-destructive which is something that i i'm not like super i don't talk about it a whole lot um but i i'm definitely my worst enemy um a lot of the time um and that's one whole reason why i practice so much mindfulness and why i'm so into what i'm into now is that um yeah i can i can let myself be pretty self-destructive and i can yeah i can be my worst enemy and i can destroy everything that i'm that i'm doing because for some reason i feel like i like

deserve to fail or that i'm not not worthy or something and then um that can really play on my mind um but being able to step outside that and watch the thinker and be conscious of it and yeah it's it's it's become so huge for me and for a good reason yeah is it just do you find yourself falling into that cycle of like negative self-talk and then that ability to watch the thinker which i love that love that phrase does is that the like the one thing that allows you to come back to to

it and go you know what this i need to be better and i need to be nicer to myself yeah um yeah i think everyone everyone out there needs to be nicer than themselves yeah and needs to treat themselves like like you would treat your best friend yeah and weirdly enough it seems easier for us all to be mean to ourselves or negative about ourselves or harsh towards ourselves than it is to being nice to ourselves yeah um so yeah that's probably that's probably one of the main things and that i guess plays back into

practice and more self-love and that kind of stuff is yeah and it's and it's a practice and it's a regular thing you need right like if you practice if you're consistent being consistently being nice to yourself you're going to be a very positive person yeah if you consistent consistently tell yourself you're not good enough you're probably going to be fairly miserable yeah um and yeah and it's not something that you can just go you know back and forward between like i think it's something you've really got to work on and you've got to consciously make

that decision to work on it what are the two things you're focusing on in 2018 flipping that question so two things i'm focusing on um i've one of the reasons like one of the key reasons why i'm so excited about going to india and becoming yoga teachers because i would love to um sort of amalgamate my passion for health care using self to give to others um and like yoga mindfulness meditation just like movement um exercise and like the sort of holistic body and health and mind and like nursing and health care professional i'd love

to be able to marry those together somehow that's cool um do you know what that looks like yet yeah so that's one of the things that i was saying like i don't usually talk to people about i don't like bucket lists and having like tell me a few people lately but i'd love to like the first step i can see is becoming a yoga teacher that's why i've done that yeah signed up for it um but i'd love to like either this is pretty ambitious but either own my own business or be part of a

business um that is doing that whole using self that is using self can i have a job no is um is using self to play cards right i'll hit you up in september next year no is using self to give to others um but i'd really love to help have like a focus for health care professionals and i don't know not just nurses but anyone that's in that anyone that dedicates their life to giving to others yeah because i've yeah you can spread that out pretty wide like yeah teachers are a big one like we

had a little like little so to hijack your answer a little bit we had a little um seminar like session with a bunch of teachers earlier in the year and like it was purely they came in expecting to be trained and smashed and and to work hard and we purely made it a session about mindfulness and self-love and resetting breathing and you know and taking care of muscles that have been overworked because of sitting all day and and to get completely out of their heads for an hour and just be and like some of the

best feedback we've ever had from a session and they weren't expecting it but we identified that like these guys are like stressed as fuck they got an incredibly difficult job they're dealing with you know 25 little brats every day over and over and over again yeah um and i say that i was probably one of those little brats back in the day so i apologize to all my teachers but like that ability to go if like i think anyone that helps people is consistently giving part of themselves to those people daily yeah and yeah and

that's a really cool i guess part of it that you've identified that needs help yeah yeah and so yeah like giving back to those that dedicate their lives to giving to others and you know that always ties back to the whole you know can't fall from an empty cup and um you know who looks after i read a quote ages ago that says like who cares for the carers when they don't care for themselves yes that's way too heavy yeah and but that happens you know and then another quote which um i was telling someone

recently someone a grad nurse a stranger brand new grad nurse messaged me and said to like do you have any advice and i said um i said no like none of your patients are ever gonna and something's what someone said to me like none of your patients are ever going to turn around and thank you for skipping your meal breaks yeah never ever ever i've skipped many and many meal breaks therefore you know like impacting on my own well-being i've spent eight hours shifts plus not going to the bathroom and not eating anything and not

drinking anything the whole time just because you've been like rushing and pushing yourself to achieve what you need to achieve for your patients um they're not going to turn around thank you for that they don't know they don't know that you've done that exactly and then you get home at the end of the day and you have no energy for your family no energy to eat well no energy to exercise you probably spent a little bit of time in that day grumpy at them for not allowing you to have your meal break even they don't

know that they've done that yeah so yeah um i don't know i was going with that but yeah like no one's ever going to thank you for doing that kind of stuff so yeah oh yeah like so it all ties back to being able to that's what that's what 2018 looks like for me and i don't really know exactly how it's going to be but i know that um i guess when you're teaching is going to be one of their um first steps is yeah giving me like more tools to be able to give back

to those that give to others and other people other people are welcome to but yeah and then you hit those hit those two and then something else will magically appear yeah and you keep moving forward yeah all right i got a bunch of questions for you okay similar to last time you forgot the question at the start yeah no i've written that down no stress um so i'm hoping i don't double up anything that we've already talked about i probably won't remember good very very good i think most of these i think all these are

different okay have you had a defining moment ever um yeah i would say um probably the day not that i can't remember it vividly but the day i woke up and decided like nah not doing that anymore goodbye old georgie and hello future me who i don't really know who she is but who i know i'm supposed to be awesome if money wasn't an issue and you couldn't fail what would you do with your life i've always said my ultimate goal is to be a paramedic in hawaii nice yeah well play on yeah that's cool

who teaches yoga and mindfulness yeah let's uh let's talk about let's talk about vertice hawaii yeah i'm all about it that's cool that's really cool what are you most proud of uh who is proud of oh i don't know i guess that comes down to like me not patting myself on the back for much um i like i'm really proud of what what i do um what i'm what i'm what i'm doing with with georgie and with my nursing and yeah just i don't know yeah i guess i guess um realizing what i'm what i'm

supposed to be doing and what's what's meant for me and doing it despite the challenges that i face that's awesome flip it what are you most ashamed of i'm not most ashamed oh my god i know i might have to come back to you i don't i'll sit here in silence the people at home can go to the toilet go go have a drink uh what am i most ashamed of it's weird that nothing pops into mind i would have thought something like trailer would pop into mind probably probably coming back to how i said

i think i can be somewhat self-destructive sometimes it's that i know that what i do and what i'm doing it it's just getting into like a negative spiral um and i know that it's bad and i can catch myself watching the thinker and i can catch myself in that yeah by continuing to choose the negative and that negative spiral sometimes wallowing in your own self-pity is great um and addictive yeah so probably knowing that there's a better option but not taking it i like that i like that a lot who's your hero who do you

look up to and why um who is my hero i've never had like a specific like that's my person um who is my hero it's not yet another awkward silence it's okay i've got plenty of time for those listening at home georgie's squirming in the moment yeah i am blind stare at my face considering i literally like not stopped speaking for the past two hours pretty much um in terms of like work um there's this one lady that i worked with um as a student this is just like a she's a student uh she was

a paramedic when i was a paramedic student and she was just awesome i don't know how to explain it but she was just really cool um she was also a nurse so i related to her in that way yeah um i've since run into her at frankston hospital which is really weird um so i've gone from student to like almost colleagues it's both nursing the same kind of idea um which was really cool um but just her attitude her approach to work to life just from spending a couple of days there i don't know just

really it's awesome yeah i really liked it it's cool that you can just find someone day to day yeah and have that like completely stranger just like and just i happen to be on the same shift at the same time as a student like i was allocated to her and yeah that was that but yeah i don't know i'd have to i'd have to come back to you about like you don't have to like but that's the cool thing about that question i think like you don't have to it doesn't have to be a public

figure and like i think having a like a footballer that's your hero is like funnily fundamentally flawed like you need it's like yeah you need someone that i guess embodies what you embody and someone you can look up to for those reasons yeah and that's probably going to change from what it was six months ago or 12 months ago or to what it's going to be in 12 months right yeah which yeah which is cool yeah another person that i should say that i look up to him has been like a big role in in

in like some of my development is my mate josh that's running the yoga teacher training them going on awesome he just has this ability to like look into your soul and literally like rip things out of you it's amazing like and i just aspire to be able to have that kind of effect on people and just be that kind of person for someone else it's pretty important thing yeah um amazing awesome yeah if you could go back to school yeah let's go year 10 and put five things that you wish you were taught back then

what would they be mindfulness one um and we're going for five too because i keep asking for numbers of things we don't get that so that's one it's because we go from tangents tangents um probably mindfulness um i mean like is it really cliche to say stuff like i mean i don't know how do you get a loan for a house or get a mortgage that is that is generally the biggest answers i've been getting lately like what the freak is super but that's exactly it yeah that's real life stuff yeah yeah and but i

think the system i'm just gonna get a little conspiracy theory but i think the system around super we don't teach like people aren't taught about what super is and how it works yes you can look into it if you want but the all the companies that have super funds are charging exorbitant fees for you to store your money with them therefore you lose a big chunk of it anyway so it's like well anyway but yeah that's a that's interesting but that's that's a very consistent answer like home loan super finance understanding how that works because

i've got a home loan i still kind of don't understand how it works so who knows yeah that's two yeah that's two um something else i wish i learned when i was in year 10 is um that oh what was i gonna say i was gonna say something um that not not fitting in like with what's going on or that what everyone else is doing it's not a bad thing and that sort of ties into like why i started food georgia and all that kind of journey is that yeah it's okay to not fit in

and that that's not a bad thing yeah it's really important it's something that a lot of people don't necessarily understand or learn until they're like late 20s 30 40 yeah ever maybe yeah that's three three two to go another thing i wish i learned when i was in year 10 is oh no come on what are you thinking i'm not so deep and meanful i feel like i'm in very philosophical um maybe that i don't know what you're like in newton um so i guess it sounds really cliche but probably it ties in with mindfulness

but maybe just like more self-love and i know it sounds really cliche but that happiness and fulfillment starts from the end yeah probably just cultivating that in i don't know what kind of class i would teach that at school but all that kind of stuff and just to not put not that your happiness and your self-worth doesn't line anyone or anything else yes that's pretty pretty powerful especially i went to an old girl school a private old girl school and i can get pretty nasty sometimes could imagine yes um so that um and probably another

one would be just that like what we've spoken about is that you're you are not necessarily what's happened to you um that you have the choice um so i didn't really realize until maybe i was like 19 20s that i had a different choice on how to react and how to behave yeah um you know i like so yeah is growing up and knowing that whatever's happened to at school or like having your board up um is that you don't have to be like that if that's something that you don't feel is right yeah that's

cool i like that is that fine that's fine good how good do you have a mantra uh not really no i don't imagine i've got lots of favorite quotes and that kind of stuff just stuff that you've you go to whichever one you feel that you need the most yeah awesome if you could invite three people to dinner dead or alive who would they be um i reckon i'd actually love um like to not that i know a whole thing about him but like just to be in the presence of like a Dalai Lama yeah

i reckon that would just be mind-blowing um to watch him practice like joy and happiness that'd be so cool yeah that would be awesome i love that i would actually like weirdly enough is it weird if i said like i'd love to be in the presence of like my younger self not at all that's a great answer yeah um because when i was younger i wish i had someone not someone like me that sounds really big-headed but i wish i had someone like that to look up to you know as and as i said i

was looking out to girls in bikinis modeling and looking skinny that's cool um so yeah like i loved i'd love to pick the brains of my younger self and just that's deep figure out like and talk to her about what's important to her and yeah and with the insight that i have i reckon that would be really really cool and the third person dead or alive um who else would i like i know maybe someone really funny i've always wanted to make um candace swanpole who's my favorite victoria secret angel we were just completely confident

treat yourself oh bring candace just for fun she's pretty good to look at have something something to look at why you know we get something like from the dalai lama yeah and while we eat our vegan meal a couple of favorites to finish off favorite fun fact favorite fun fact um is that oh i used to i used to be a massive on fats um oh my god quick fact um that's not really a fact about what noise do giraffes make i don't know yeah i have no idea it's not a fact but like yeah

i don't know when we're done guys just google what noises do giraffes make i assume it's like a like a chomping slurping sound while that he leaves i don't know if you can mimic it or if you can yeah i'm not even gonna try good good i like that favorite album of all time music album i'm not a music person i'm like i think it's the last last music bit of music you listen to i went to the paul kelly concert over the weekend actually like it's actually uh how to make groby day in a

couple of days is it and he's done that it's uh which was like it was like a month away a month ago for you guys listening which is weird i gotta stop stop mentioning that um what yeah what that was yeah i'm so jealous that you went it was really good what was your favorite what's your favorite paul kelly song um from little things big things great i'm very jealous he's an amazing amazing artist did you know that i met him on holiday once and he made me eggs for breakfast bullshit how where port douglas

oh that's a burst yep came back he said do i have eggs and my and i was there with my family and we were like yep so amazing that's that's the best my clone to fame i'll give him my autograph later if you want yeah that's super as well did you make a gravy though was there gravy on the end no no okay i don't that probably went like organic saturated eggs either but whatever come with a multiple kelly shit that's that's super cool what's your favorite alcoholic beverage um my favorite alcoholic beverage i'm like

i like a bit of cider i'm gonna drink alcohol um i feel like i need to say gin because that's what i do so yeah no i do like a good gin and tonic um good old espresso martini and like can't go wrong with red wine i don't drink a whole lot of alcohol but what's your favorite resource for new information youtube awesome i love the one people give youtube yeah it's good visual i'm like a visual learner so i love them connect stuff what's your favorite book my favorite book um one that i have

just finished reading which is called the untethered soul um and that talks a lot about consciousness that's cool a lot about um the the quote watch the thinker is from the power of now by ekhart tol but watch i don't know um the untethered soul is by michael singer and he's got another book which i've got i haven't started reading it yet but um it talks a lot about um it talks a lot about like you are not your thoughts and you're not your brain you're not your ego you are the one behind all of

that watching that happen and it was just like a completely different perspective i put a lot of um highlighted quotes of that on my ig story and lots of people have since bought the book and messaged me telling me that they love it so yeah uninitiated out there ig instagram i assume what's your favorite quote at the moment oh um i really like the one that i just posted on my insta the other day was that we spoke about it earlier um not all those that look no i can't remember what it is not all

those that need help look like people that need help yeah i really really really like that that really really resonated with me um but i always feel back to my all-time favorite quote which is there's beauty in everything but not everyone can see it awesome last one tell me a joke oh my god was this the question at the start well no i haven't asked you that yet second last one um oh my god i don't have a joke oh my god i'm not very funny um all my jokes are just like nursing pre-jokes that

are like doesn't matter pre-jokes are funny but they're not really pre-jokes they're just funny pre-story um my god now i'm squirming even more now i don't care if it's the worst joke you've ever heard um i give you permission to tell a joke i don't know if i don't have one that's like oh my god i don't know if a pen's rolling down a hill is it still stationary what about like when you get like close enough and you say like is your fridge running it's pretty funny you better go and catch it the best

joke or one of the best like things you do is tap someone on the shoulder and go on the other side that's always fun and that was greg's one um good all right this is the question i usually ask at the start and then we roll on from there but what gets you out of bed in the morning oh i answered this last time i said food and i regret it don't ask this last time yeah there you go i said like breakfast um yeah awesome and then when i listened back to my own podcast

i was like that sounds really like superficial yeah um what gets me out of bed nowadays actually how long has it been since our last podcast i don't know it's been about three months three and a half months oh like a lot's changed since then which is cool but it's cool to be able to look back at it yeah it will be um i think i've become a lot more like open and a lot more maybe daring and like a little bit more like ambitious or so so what gets me out of bed would be

just that drive and like i feel like there's been like a made up of fire ignited within me that want that really believes that i can chase that dream of mine instead of just having it as like this thing inside my head they're like i want to do this thing that's going to help people is that i've actually started to put the wheels in motion it might take me another four years or i might be really slow or you know but even if all else fails and i go to india become a yoga teacher and

come home and never teach um i've got that knowledge and you know that's going to help me in all walks of life not just teaching yoga i love that and it's a cool lesson that like how much we can change and grow and progress in three months yeah when like everyone like you kind of think of growth and progression and stuff and you think oh it's going to take like years and years and years but if you put yourself in the right environments and read like you do and learn like you do and listen like

you do then you're going to fast track your your development so much which is cool so good for me yeah giving yourself permission to do it i guess yeah yeah so that drive to really chase what i want to do and like that bigger picture like at the moment i'm like i'm a nurse and i can't do yoga but i'd love to be able to say like oh you know like i work in wellness or you know obviously i still want to be like nursing like on the floor and um one day i'll be a

paramedic as well um and so i'll be able to have that like direct patient care kind of thing yeah but then to be able to just benefit the community who can then also become patients at some stage maybe one day yeah i love that i love the vision it's awesome it fits in really well to like everything that i guess we stand for and that we're trying to grow so the more people like you the better the world will be and hey everyone wins everyone wins anything else um no mate thank you very much for

coming on this is awesome you smashed it thanks for having me you had nothing to say right nothing i don't know what to say so