S1E29 · Mitch Rowe: Taking action

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Today, I sat down with Mitchell Rowe, one of our performance coaches here at Virtus, Rowey Ponch as he's also known. We spoke about how we got into being a performance coach. We spoke about him growing up. We spoke about his really exciting next 12-18 months he's got coming up, why he's able to have such a mature head on his very short stature shoulders and I guess the things that allow him to be way ahead of where I was at when I was his age. So, he's a lovely human. He's one of my favorite people in the world and I'm lucky enough to have him as a coach at Virtus because he kind of just didn't leave.

So, hopefully you guys do the same thing for this podcast and stick it out the whole time. If you don't, have a wonderful evening. Enjoy. My personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day. I believe everyone, especially normal people, have a story to tell. The Virtus podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey and experiences of each of our guests. Mitchell Rowe, welcome to the Virtus Performance Podcast. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming, man. After a long day coaching, how long did it go to start?

What is it, 8 o'clock? 14 hours. 14 hours, yeah. Good. Couple. Well, hopefully you're somewhat coherent over the next hour or so. I'm sure the beverages alongside us will help. You'll be fine. First question for you, what gets you out of bed in the morning? Knowing, I have to look at this one since I've listened to pretty much all the other podcasts. You're our biggest fan. You're the only person that's listened to all of them. I did kind of see this one coming, so. Knowing that I have the ability to change someone's life for the better.

I love that. It could be for one comment, it could be for a sentence, it could be for the session that we do, it could be for the coffee we have after. Anything that I do can help someone that I see in the morning, especially. It could be in the night, it could be in the morning. Just knowing that you can make a change that's positive in someone's life. How does a 20 year old come to that realisation? I don't know. I think I probably get a lot of it from my parents to be fair. They're very caring and generous people.

Shout out. Yeah, shout out. If they listen to it. I actually do think mum and dad listen to these. That's cool. I'd better say some nice things. 100%. Nah, they're very, very lovely people. They always put everyone else before them. I think we get that from them a lot. I think that's kind of how that all comes together. Talk to me about growing up with your parents, being that really generous, loving, giving people for you and your sister. What was that like? It was a good way to live. Having your parents there from primary school into high school, especially in high school years.

Now I think of it. Because we lived in Piersdale and I was going to school in Frankston, which turned out to be an hour long bus trip. That's a 15 minute trip. If something happened, they can just leave work and come pick me up from high school. Knowing that they're there at any time that you need, they'll just drop everything for you. That's really beneficial for anyone. It really helped me a lot as well. Especially going from Piersdale to Frankston as well. I think it was probably 8 to 10 people from Piersdale that went to Frankston.

You didn't really know anyone. Coming to a brand new environment. It's a huge school. I think it's 1600 kids or something now. Going from a primary school of 800, where everyone knows everyone, in a very small environment, very small community, to the same thing but not being involved in it before. Being like a fish out of water. But your parents were able to support you in all the things you wanted to do. Oh yeah, 100%. Obviously playing a lot of sport and doing a lot of sport and a lot of other stuff as well. Having to train the MCG for cricket.

Driving an hour up there. I was on my L's. Didn't drive all day. Slept the whole way because I'd be dead. Slept the whole way. Dad drove. Then I'd probably drive home but just being able to chill out for an hour and take a snooze. Just little things like that. I think my parents have very much helped me through anything and everything I do in that way. They always just drop everything for me. That's really cool and a lot of people can't say that. I'm lucky enough to be able to say that as well. Especially you played a lot of sports growing up so they would have been the taxis to and from those sports.

And knowing that Dad, being curious, sits in the car all day as it is and then he'd sit in the car for another hour each way going out to the city. Just with the slightly more important package. Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. But yeah, knowing that he sat in the car all day, could have been 40 degrees and he sat in the car, he's been out lifting drums of electrical cords and cables. And then he would still sit in the car for another hour, hour and a half. I'd just snooze at the passenger seat and just drive to the city.

No complaints. Never ever, Dad will never ever ever complain about anything. That's pretty cool. Unless I don't shut the cupboard. No complaints at all. Sorry. You've got a pretty hectic work ethic which is probably the reason why I hired you. Maybe Or I didn't leave. You didn't leave, that's true. But do you think that's from your parents as well? Do you think that, I guess? 100%, yeah. Mum, when I was growing up, worked minimum two guys, I think it might have been three. She was working retail, working in primary school and then doing other little stuff on the side.

And Dad worked at the bank for 25 years, I think. Or 26 years, somewhere around that. And just got made redundant out of the blue. And just like, my lady's doing another job. Just having both of their work ethics joined into one, I think that's where I get that from. Even though I've got most of Mum's genes. You've got most of Mum's genes. Explain that comment. Fair enough, I'm not listening if it doesn't know my Mum. Or me for that. Mum's probably five foot max. Pale. Slightly red hair. And I copped all of that. Thanks Mum.

You both have olive skin and the tall and the brown hair from Dad. And I got that from Mum. And you're both smart arses. Yeah, that's true. I did get that from Mum. I definitely got that from my mother. She gives me more stick than you do when she's in for like an hour a week. Yeah, I'm about to live with it. Why do you think I spent so much time with it? That's it. There's your work ethic. Talk to me about that positive energy and that positive, I guess, impact you can make on people's lives.

Why do you do it? Why do you want to make that positive impact? That's where I get my enjoyment and my kind of strive to live from. I'll always put everyone else before me. Seeing someone improve or someone get better or just enjoy themselves gives me that enjoyment and that self-worth as well. I bounce off people a lot. I like being around people. And I think being able to make that positive change and see their life get better kind of makes me feel good about what I'm doing. And I kind of get that from that. Yeah, that's really important.

And I think it's like for someone so young to already have that mindset, like you've kind of already lived, I guess, the last year or two, you've kind of lived like five or six years worth of self-development and self-improvement in that really, really short time. Why do you think that is? I think I always strive to be not the best, but good at what I do. You know, if I feel like I'm missing something, then I'll just like go do it. If I want something or if I want to go do something, I'll just go do it.

I don't really think about all the external other stuff. If I want to get to somewhere, I'll do everything in my power to get towards that. I mean, that also come from when I was younger as well. I think mine would probably attest to that. If I wanted to do something, I'd just go do it. You didn't really think about the consequences or anything like that? You're just eyes on the prize, work towards it. Yeah, pretty much. And it's something a lot of people don't do because of that fear of failure or that fear of doing something wrong or being wrong or making mistakes.

Yeah, and then like you see him kind of get like stuck in a rut and they just go around in circles and circles and circles. I think something that you said the other day, I think it might have been on Dan Lok's broadcast actually, that you kind of just do what you want to do. And I'm very much the same. Like, I'll do everything that I want to do. I'll also do the other stuff. But if I want to go do it, then I'm gonna go do it. Nothing's gonna stop me. Yeah. That's really cool. It's a really simple way of living.

But at the end of the day, you're going to achieve because of it. And I think so many people stop their, like whether they don't have the drive or whether they don't have the ability to deal with failure like you do or things like that. It allows you to actually move forward and do things and just do. Yeah, pretty much. Which is cool. Tell me what you were like when you were growing up as a kid. In what way? What kind of student were you? Were you a pain in the ass or were you a good kid or both?

I was probably a good kid, but I had that little bit of pain in the ass in me as well. And that also comes from my mother. But I was always, I probably didn't, even through high school and uni, I probably didn't feel as much work as I possibly could. But I'm very kind of switched on and kind of get things real quick. So I could do half the work as someone else but probably understand more than they do. I think I kind of have this, everyone law who go to uni with, they hate me for this.

I kind of have a way of thinking like a normal person rather than like a student or something that's invested in that learning. Just thinking like a normal person to understand a concept is something that I pick up really well. And especially through uni, that's what kind of got me through like obviously working a lot at Virtus, but I was going to uni four days a week, hour up, hour back, spent four hours at uni, not having the time that I would possibly like to put into doing the work. Having that skill kind of really helped me get through uni.

Yeah because you can change as we end and spend more time hanging out. Sometimes like I generally feel bad in that way that I can kind of winch things and jump onto things. Yeah and like I see other people like work their absolute butts off and it makes like, I feel a little bit bad sometimes. But you work your ass off in other ways. Yeah, yeah. When you were in high school what did you want to do when you grew up or what did you want to be? I was always, I always wanted to do something in sport, like that was a given and I always really loved it.

I always wanted to do something in sport and I also really liked the science of things and understanding a deeper knowledge. So like straight automatic sports. Yeah not even actually I went to physio first. Yeah that was my first thought, always was, but then knowing that I would have had to put in a couple of hours to get like 96 hours probably wasn't going to happen. But knowing that sports science was there and if I got into Deakin which is one of the best sports science degrees in the world, if I got into that then

I have more of an idea because I knew that that was a broader course that kind of didn't specify one thing but you got to touch on a lot of little things to kind of give you that path. Yeah, were you always going to go to uni? Yeah, yeah. Just was not negotiable for you? Yeah and I was always going to jump straight into it. Yeah. Just not just get it done and get it out of the way, like just jump straight in not take a year off. Like my, one of my cousins is probably the only other family member that's gone to uni.

Yeah. And I've got a few ideas off hand but I was like no I want to continue this education and kind of go a little bit further. That's cool, that's really cool because I think you never really thought about doing a gap year or anything like that? No, no I knew that I always wanted and I always will want to travel. I mean if I did the degree early, got that done, found a job, worked for a few years, did that then I'd be able to travel after rather than get stuck in being 24 and not finish uni and having to go back and find a job.

The ripe old age of 24. Yeah, you know what I mean. So let's paint the picture a little bit from like high school, so high school straight into an exercise sports science degree. What did you do for work while you were doing that? A whole lot of little things. Yeah. And not the greatest of jobs but a whole lot of little things like I did concrete labouring, I did, I worked at Subway for a week. Did you? Yeah I worked at Subway for a week. I think I got the hell out of there but that's one story.

Did you learn how to make sandwiches? To an extent. Make me breakfast tomorrow? Yeah, dreaming. Worked at Subway, what else did I do? I did, I worked for a furniture delivery slash removal company, did that for a while. Nice guys that ran the place, really got along with them really well, so that was enjoyable. Obviously not something I wanted to do forever. Yeah. And then a whole lot of little things along the way like I ran some sports camps, career camps, did that and I did a little bit of work with Frank's and I as well, which I'm still doing which is good.

Yeah. What else did I do? I did some Creek Victoria pathway work with some under 14 squats. What did that, I guess what did those jobs and those little things that you tried, what did they add to your I guess work ethic or vision in terms of what you wanted to do? What did they teach you about yourself? I think that all the hard work especially doing the concrete labouring like anyone who's done a trade or is doing a trade knows it's not easy work and people just write it off as easy work but being in there and doing it like knowing that it's not easy, busting balls, shovel concrete around for eight hours a day.

I did a couple of weeks as just helping out, my uncle was sparking like back when I was training footy, doing footy and doing all these other things and I was like yeah you guys work pretty hard. Yeah and even the furniture delivery stuff like down with couches that are worth 10 grand like just that. Not pressure, you didn't feel pressure but knowing that you know if I scratch you so I'm in some serious shit here. Yeah you got to look after it at the same time you've got to get it done. Get it done efficiently and quickly but look after at the same time.

Yeah. Kind of a soft gentle hand as such. Yeah and then how'd you get into Virtus? Obviously I know the answer. Yeah you know the answer. Do you know the original answer though? What's the original answer? One of your lovely sisters tagged me in the post. Really? So that was how you went through it? I remember that fondly. We'd always spoken about it. Yeah. But I remember that moment fondly. Which sister? Jess. I would have been back. Not true. Jess? Yeah Jess. Yeah good for her. Yes Jess, they had me in a post about the internship.

Yeah. And I've done coaching before but not anything against strength and conditioning or... You've done that? Yeah I've done that. Yeah I've done that at Frankston. Nothing private as such just through the school. Did a bit of morning training work and then on comp day warm ups and stuff like that. That kind of came naturally to me previously doing athletics. Yeah. But apart from that I hadn't really done anything and kind of just jumped into it frequently going like yeah this sounds cool. Let's give the internship a go. Yeah after the guy that runs it so yeah.

Well I remember like Mitra I know that guy I think and then I asked the girls and I remembered you as a little smartass from one time I met you. Yeah I believe that. Which was kind of worked pretty well because that was probably me when I was your age anyway. So I think we got you in for an interview. Oh yeah I know where this is going. I can't remember. Talk to me. What was the joke you asked me? Oh yeah. You told me. Yeah I got you in for an interview and we'd gone through the whole interview.

I'd asked you all the serious questions and the last the last question we ask everyone in our interviews is or it's not really a question it's just we stare blankly and tell me a joke is the thing we say. I reckon I sat there for at least two minutes going I have no idea. And then you said what did you say? I said I said your beard because at that time it wasn't great to be fair. That's not great now it's not great now it's patchy now. But yes I did say your beard yeah Jesse at the time absolutely lost it.

It was pretty funny because you like. I'd sat there for two minutes having no idea what to say. I'm trying to think of all that. And it was a it was a pretty bland interview to be honest. Yeah. You weren't super exciting you weren't an amazing candidate. Yeah I believe that. But like you said all the right things and you gave all the right answers and then you ditched that out at the end. Yeah I can't I often come off that way and stuff and I don't dislike it but it's not my favorite thing. I can I Amy my whole family will attest to this that I'm not the greatest person at expressing emotions or how I feel.

Like I could feel amazing. I had this conversation with Jesse out there. Yeah I could feel so amazing so grateful about something that someone does for me and like I won't show it. I don't know what it is. I mean it's it's not shy I just I don't know I honestly don't know what it is. You're very nonchalant about the way you deal with things. Take it on like just just ride ride the waves really like just let it kind of happen. Which is which is a good way to be because especially when you're going through things that are relatively stressful you can kind of just let it happen.

Yeah yeah. And deal with it and then make the right decisions and move on. I think that I like to let other people know good things about them but I can't take it myself as such. Not that I like it's obviously it gives you a good feeling and stuff like that but for me telling someone else why they're good or why they don't something nice for me is better than me getting something from someone else because I don't really think about that stuff and that's where it kind of comes from as well. Yeah definitely. So

we we had you told me that terrible joke and then you did tell you that terrible joke yes and then somehow you still managed to squeeze yourself with the internship. Laying pickings I think. How did you find the internship? It was awesome. It was three months of just hanging out with us. Yeah pretty much yeah and I mean two well two yeah two of the first three questions to ask were obviously how many hours and can I stay longer and is there an opportunity for me at the end of this. That was the first last two questions I asked him.

Yeah which for all of those I guess students and things like that listening or anyone that anyone that's looking for a new job or looking to chase the job they love or things like that like Mitch asked for a job before he even started the internship and I think that for me like that reminded me a lot of myself like I always kind of asked you always want to ask for the things you want really early on because then it's in someone's mind and that was in my mind at the start like for the whole

internship and having you kind of spend 12 weeks with us and then a few more weeks after and then have you kind of almost walk out the door I kind of just want like and you asked me at the end or you asked me at our eight-week meeting you asked me at our 12-week meeting and I was it was just a simple decision to hire you at the end because I was like well we don't ever work for this kid but he keeps yeah exactly he keeps asking for a job and it turned out to be a somewhat good decision I'll take that for Virtus.

Yeah and I think knowing that I always I think that kind of reflects back onto Virtus back then as well like I wanted to be there and wanted to be involved in that environment because it's something that I wanted to be helping people be better at whatever they want to do in life whatever they want to work towards I think that's what what made me want to start in the first place I heard a few little things obviously not a lot yeah but that's kind of what made me want to stay um pretty sure that's

what most of the people coming through Virtus clients interns coaches that's what the reason is they want to stay well I'm sure I'm sure like Jess will talk about this when I eventually interview her in a couple of weeks but she came to the interview and it's cool to see you guys as junior coaches as as performance really good performance coaches in your own right come through the internship like you Maddie and Jess now we've had three of you that have been hired through the internship Jess came in thinking that Virtus was in Mordialic because

Omaraben because it was closer to close to the city where she was coming from and then plugged it into maps and and realized it was in Mornington and decided because she'd already booked it that she'd come down and do the interview with me anyway and then after after doing the interview she's like well I guess I'm driving to Mornington three times a week so I think like we've been really lucky with Jesse at the start and then him moving on 12 months ago a little over 12 months ago we've been able to create a really

cool environment where cool people want to work and now having having 14 staff which still mind-blowing is still pretty mind-blowing I was thinking about that before actually when we were at our meeting this morning yeah this afternoon well when you started last year who was coaching who was who was who was around Sophie was around when I started yeah Cam Katie yourself Jesse and Bailey and Ash and I think I started after I started off yeah yeah she started after it was just the coaches yeah yeah and then we haven't even done upstairs yet and

then we got Greg on board yeah and Ash on board and now we've got two Maddie's yeah coop brooke page page your mom your mom my mom you don't want my mom no no no Anna's doing some uh some yoga so it's been pretty cool and you've you've been I guess you've been and Jed yeah he's uh chairman of the board as it's been cool to you probably you've been here for longer than you haven't now yeah pretty much yeah when did you when did you first do first session I was looking at it was

like it's 14 15 months ago now was my first group session so you've been you've been coaching about 15 months and we've been alive for 26 yeah which is pretty cool yeah what have you learned in the last 15 months that you didn't that you didn't think you'd learn or in terms of that's a really broad question I'm gonna ask you what did you want to bet what have you learned about yourself in the last 15 months I still have a lot more to give even though I'm doing a lot I have a lot more

to give like I'm only it really excites me that I'm kind of only still really only just starting and knowing that I still have the next 30 years if I want yeah to do what I do now and do it on a bigger broad scope that's cool which is pretty cool what have you learned what have you learned about working a team I always love it I like helping others and bouncing off others and kind of getting into someone's expertise and understanding what they do and how they do it and kind of adapting that to

my own little life yeah and I always like to work with it every element as well different people different people really yeah I enjoy being around like it helps having that I guess multi-faceted environment for you to work in yeah in terms of development it's people especially people with different ages and different experiences and life experiences just completely random background so yeah that as well yeah it's just a melting pot for I guess improvement if you could if you could describe if someone who for people that don't know you if you could describe yourself as

a coach how would you describe yourself and I guess for those that don't understand why we call our performance coaches performance coaches rather than pt's or or trainers it's because we coaching is so much broader than just sets reps um it's it's creating long long-term like fulfilling relationships with our clients and I think and the performance aspect of that being performance coaches is that performance is not not just athletic performance but it's life performance as well if we can create a long-lasting relationship with our clients and we can and we can spread it to all

different parts of their life not just what they can deadlift or what they can bench press then we're going to make the world a better place by making individuals better one person at a time so for you as a performance coach how would you describe yourself I think not only being a coach when they walk in the role to do at Virtus being someone that they can come to at Virtus with anything they want I'll sit down for three hours and have coffee and just chat random nothing if they want and being able to yeah

help them get better physically but also help that mental and lifestyle and just general life side of things and if they're having career aspiration issues they don't know what they want to do kind of like help them with that as well so just to kind of all around not all around but having that ability to just be there for anything and everything that I need and being able to adapt that to different people as well I think that's something that I can do reasonably well obviously being a younger person and having a lot of younger

clients I also have some 40, 50, 55 year old females that have never stepped foot in the gym like being able to help them as well somehow got better at especially the last six months at least is being able to help them as well not just the juniors that I see and the people that are my age being able to get someone who's say 50, 55 nurse that's foot in the gym never played sport being able to let them know that actually understand what they're going through from talking to other people and just chatting to

random people and different people about that kind of stuff being able to help that as well that's the biggest thing being a younger coach especially is when you get people that are older than you and have experience a lot more and being able to understand that but still being able to understand the general kind of principles behind that's kind of something that may set me apart from other different say 20 year olds something like that yeah well I guess you like the old soul you may say well that that's probably that's probably not a terrible

point because the big thing with you is you're able to that's a sprite not a beer that he just opened um the great piece the cream piece I guess the big thing for you is you're able to create that relationship with your clients and it's and I I've always struggled with people saying you don't want to have a personal relationship with your clients and coaches saying that and I think some people that taught me my pt course said that and I think that's I don't know I think that's a little off because if you can

create a long-term relationship where your clients genuinely trust you and they're genuine friends rather than just people that come in and spend time with you then they trust you and they're going to listen to you and they're going to talk to you and open up to you and then you're going to be able to get like the best possible result for them yeah and you're going to be able to actually actually able to actually teach them and empower them long term and I think you're doing that yeah but you you kind of get people see

you more as a person rather than an object that they see to make them sweat like something like that a person that you come to rather than someone that's just going to make them work hard yeah and like your genuine care for the people that you see is probably what sets you apart from most 20 year olds like I look back to when I was 20 and I was coaching I was like yeah I was coaching I was 20 so it was five years ago where are we now 2017 2012 yeah I was coaching and

and and I was trying hard and I was working hard and I genuinely cared for my clients but I didn't have anywhere near the rapport that I see that you have with them and I was lucky if you wouldn't have stuck around that now I may have that rapport rapport with a lot of them but I think your your ability to foster relationships get to know someone intimately and then help them and you're not you're not doing it for them and that's a that's probably the most magical part you're empowering them to do it themselves

yeah but you're seeing them move from point A to point B and improve over over a period of time I think an interesting point Amy bought up yesterday actually when we were having lunch is I see a lot of people I kind of most people have let's say best friends friends and acquaintances that I don't really know that well yeah whereas I kind of have like my really close-knit really good best mates some really good friends some friends and some more friends I don't I don't not like to but I like having a large group

of people that I can be like yeah you have a friend like that yeah and that's a little bit different to others having that just kind of broad spectrum of people do you think that's because you and I don't know I've got a little theory about that but do you think that's because you played a lot of sport when you're growing up so you had and you played different sports so you had a lot of people from each sport that you had like almost had to have a somewhat of relationship with yeah I think so

I know them I think so and also being around a whole lot of different communities I think not just the people but the community itself yeah kind of helps that because like obviously went to primary school and peer stuff it's a very small community went to high school at Frank's and I massive community yeah played football at the PSL junior footy club which is again really small community being into the under the system for cricket massive community play created down a whole different type of community in itself and like just that kind of all helps

that I think knowing and being able to talk to a larger group of people with different experiences and different cultures and communities I think that's kind of what that comes down to yeah and each I guess you've kind of almost got to have a different slightly different version of yourself in each community because you hold a different I guess status level and yeah and you're different yeah you're doing a different thing and you're there for a different reason and it must have been interesting being going from pierced out in a smaller school to a to

a giant school like frank said yeah yeah it was different it was good though definitely did you um how do you get to yc playing footy this is more for me than anyone else because well I played so I played all my juniors at pier style played from I played I played threes under 10s did that played up until under 16s how do you offer 15s and I broke my leg yeah didn't play that year and kind of didn't not fall out of love with footy but how that you're afraid to sit on the sidelines

and I think you're probably one to attest to this as well I suck at watching I am the worst yeah I'll watch I'll watch a quarter and show the boys on there and go home I think I watched like max three games that year not because I didn't care about my team like I just couldn't couldn't do it yeah just got fidgety and being having close to more 12 18 months off sport killed me yeah that's a long time as a 15 year old yeah I think I just needed a fresh change I did like

obviously high school mates that played footy there but I probably only knew going there really only knew like two people and I think I moved house later on like I was already already at yc when I moved close to yc yeah I just need a fresh change obviously it's a very very good football club that kind of thing it's kind of what brought me to the that's pretty cool because because I played a PSL for a year yeah back in the day yeah and then one for one for 12 months and then and then moved

to um moved to yc I wasn't I was under 14 in PSL yeah but that's funny because you'd broken your leg because one of my best mates Jake at that time broke his leg it had to sit down that whole year yeah I couldn't do it like I was the worst and like I really didn't want to play 16s like my body was fine I could have played 16s didn't want to play 16s at PSL I wanted to play somewhere else not because I didn't like the team or anything I just needed a fresh change

something different yeah dad was coaching I was like no I'm not gonna make him do that and obviously dad my old man is a very good football coach obviously had a large experience in the football world playing at swan districts when he was 18 that kind of stuff now he's coaching with girls and doing that type of thing like I didn't want to do that kind of that comes back doing stuff other people again like I played PSL in 16s because of dad was coaching yeah not because I didn't want him to coach me I

knew he enjoyed coaching it that was beneficial to him yeah looking back on it now that probably benefited him through all of that I wouldn't have known that back then but I think that kind of kind of ties into each other somewhere or another definitely yeah that's really interesting did you like back on that you're breaking your leg you broke up pretty well right yeah a couple sports yeah how did you do it I had footy training it was I mean I'm gonna blame the council for this one so it was I think we had

it's not opening it was actually probably this weekend's probably a good one to talk about it the last big storm we had it was that it was that week yeah um I councils wouldn't let us train on the ground we still trained we trained on the netball courts yeah just doing lane work like simple lane work one of my good mates at the time terrible keep you probably won't listen to this I think he might actually work with Tommy Curtis or you know Tommy Curtis who works shout out interesting but nah he terrible he'd never

been any good keep the biggest logic you'll ever see just in pure lane work jumped up normally as he would just kind of flush it over my head a little bit and then instead of kind of coming down and going flat or rolling with the other one and my knee hit the ground on the opposite side yeah so kind of just yeah not thought that great like heard a massive snap thought it was my hand or like something on the ground just kind of got up and went to run it off and just like fell

in eight I was like ah I think I've done something here yeah yeah just booted straight off went and sat on the side I don't know actually I think I might have even got carried off like it was excruciating and I have a very very good pain threshold in that that drill that was probably one of the worst things I've ever experienced yeah so generally got carried off to the side of the netball court kind of sat there with my leg in the air I was like I think I've done something good here yeah just

thought I sucked my hand on ground just wanted to get up and run again then sat in the car dad dad drove me to hospital yeah sat in the car with my leg up and I think I felt every bump from pierce up to frank's hospital all the way yeah lovely I remember specifically remember two spots that I we went over a bump I slammed my foot in the glove box that was up there with one of the worst things I've done as well yeah lovely yeah sat in emergency for a few hours and stayed

overnight yeah broke my fib in one spot badly a few other little spots um yeah then turned in the buying man overnight the plate it was five screws and a couple of pins gnarly yeah this I did it well this did well do you blame that for your lack of growth afterwards nah we're still gonna play so we made it so doing doing an injury as horrific as that at was it 15 15 yeah what did that did that kind of change the trajectory trajectory of your sporting career being like a pretty good footballer growing

up and pretty good at it growing up to an extent yes I never put it on that being like that's the reason I don't went anywhere with sport yeah to an extent yes because going from 14 was obviously the previous year I played going down to 17 40 yeah played 16 but didn't really have any form of any idea of what I was doing yeah went from 14 to 17 40 and just like completely fish out of water yeah and like the first two minimum two years I played it wise so yeah I played dreadfully

like got dropped multiple times and at least this sucks and I knew what it was for and like just a totally different type of 40 to what I obviously played seriously before yeah and yeah just fish out of water so 40 yeah I still like I play it socially and like for that now yeah but cricket wise it didn't really uh yeah same thing I missed the preseason stuff like that but nothing worse wouldn't affect you as much as no I don't think so yeah I don't think so obviously cricket's not what you're saying is

yeah great athletes like football is that what you're saying not true standing out no grass field for nine hours at a time in pants hey they've got to be uh psychologically resilient because they've just got to stand there and watch grass flow pass and grass grow and stuff so I don't think so I mean that that was the last time I did athletics I didn't do athletics you know yeah I did like school athletics in year 12 but same thing I was dreadful yeah just terrible um it must have been frustrating yeah it was to

an extent it was it was pretty annoying and like obviously being so sporty and having dad involved you know then I say it again I generally felt bad for him having to drive places like because I'm like I'm terrible now I'm not performing to know what I can do and what I know what you were able to yeah yeah generally stuff like that yeah that would have been frustrating but you move on worse things have happened you know worse things have happened better people exactly yeah so do you think that's part of why you got

into coaching because you you you want to see other people succeed move forward yeah pretty much yeah I mean that's to an extent when I broke my leg it kind of drove me into coaching to an extent because I couldn't obviously do anything for 12 out of eight months yeah so I knew without I had to do something else and I always wanted to be involved that's where I got involved and I thought he's coaching at the start that's kind of the first coaching coaching that I did and then the cricket stuff came after that

and then followed up for that awesome that's really cool what what are the I want you to kind of open the crystal ball a little bit here next you've been over 15 months being a coach being a performance coach helping out with some admin stuff of late what are the what does the next 15 months look like pretty damn exciting that's for sure yeah um 2018 is going to be filled with a lot of travel a lot of self-development a lot of pd stuff but also just continually coaching because that's obviously how I'm going to

get better at coaching is just coach yeah but going to new zealand in march with franks and I for the second time we went a couple years ago so we're over two years taking an athletic spot over there to compete in their north and south south island championships like an invitational thing for us that's cool so that's always really really cool um it's like five four days of like intensive comp and then the rest is sightseeing and travel and it's always fun taking kids that have probably never experienced something like that over there and they

see things and they kind of go smack by that just like simple thing like a waterfall like little things like that like we drove an hour and a half two hours one of like the smaller waterfalls in new zealand they all loved it so just little things like that that's cool so that's been really bad that'll be I think 12 days I think I'll be away for in march um between that just a whole lot of coaching and a lot of development stuff and then july slash august somewhere around there depending on when maybe you

can get some time off going to head over to europe to hopefully new germany italy greece and croatia awesome hopefully hopefully depending on how much time she can get off with gym and that's just chill out order like just generally go take some time we actually haven't been away to another country together really yeah never that's cool but probably furthest we've ever gone away is filabon hey nothing wrong with that it's a beautiful part of the world yeah but yeah that that'd be really good um she'll like to sit on some beaches and i like

to go see some historic stuff and go do some stuff yeah uh don't worry we'll talk about it i mean yeah yeah oh sure i i was told she had to have a few shots did she she would have said that that's okay she's loved it even yeah and then get back do some more coaching just my little things and then in october i'll head over to the states over to exos or exos as they like to call it exos yeah i found that on a few videos so i've been calling it wrong for the

last six months i've been talking about exos yeah since i heard him he's just out slang so yeah for the people that aren't coaches in the uh the listening sphere yeah what's exos exos is it's pretty much putting it in layman's terms it's like the nike of performance coaching nike mate nike nike same thing same so yeah it's like the nike of performance coaching we're one of the world's biggest performance training companies obviously in the world makes sense right yeah so yeah that'd be really exciting i'll be going over to do their performance mentorship i'll

be jumping into phase two um they offer an online part of it that you can do that gets you into that phase two which is all the theory-based stuff yeah so rather than go over there for another eight days i can do it all here and then obviously go do more stuff when i'm over there so i'll do it that way it works out to be a little cheaper too so kind of pace my plan to get over yeah so it works out really nice then jumping into phase two and phase three so they do

four-day phases with i think it's a three-day off period yep so four days intensive three days off four days intensive and just go learn from them and just pick their brains see what happens yeah pretty much i haven't obviously i haven't thought about it much because it's still very early but i don't think i'll think about it too much either i kind of like to just take it as it comes and plan too much as such yeah yeah don't try yeah and that'll be in arizona and the word athletic center so altus is also in

arizona which i'm gonna hopefully try and sneak over to they're starting to run some apprentice coach programs for like a week they've just started them now so hopefully by the time i'm over there they'll do a few others yeah so hopefully there's one on to that stage i'll go to that as well and hang out there like i mean find all their coaches for as long as they've been coaching yeah they do some really really really cool things and then hopefully go over as well and find a fcs course so one of the fms courses

that is only run in america functional capacity screen yeah yeah yeah so it's only run in america so there can't be very many people over here that have done it so i might meet you over there i think yeah i'm looking for that so if that's let's say a month earlier i might thought that'd be my start or finish yeah playing my trip around that to an extent perfect so yeah i really can do that as well why is i guess why does someone who's 20 want to do all this pd stuff why not i

love learning what we can what it was what have you done so far in 2017 i've done fms number one which is functional movement screen which is us seeing how people move yeah exactly i've done sfma level one and two which is more the clinical side of things and the movement appraisal from a deeper understanding identifying what's going on with the parts yeah pretty much yeah i've done i've done olympic weightlifting one did that with benny i've done what else well it's obviously you need to agree oh yeah finish tick that off uh not doing

fms level two because that's christmas party i'll do that next year go over and find one in australia and take a weekend away go to that i think ash is going to come do that as well and we're going to audit sfma as well so that'd be pretty cool so do it again yep so auditing is you don't go judge the instructors you just go do it again for free now that you've done it once you can't understand a little bit more so level one which is that next level of learning yeah you get a

deeper understanding of little things like that obviously greg is a fantastic human but also going to learn off other instructors and get their insight as well all i heard was greg's inadequate and you can't just learn off him i don't know about it yeah it's it's really good it'll be a really cool i guess contrast to learn from two different people um but i say from a level two as well which is just a deeper understanding you've done greg's course yeah i've done greg's course last one on do you remember what it's called no it's

way too long needs to needs to rain please check that for next time yeah i can't remember stability motor control for rehabbing sports performance or something something along those lines mobility stability motor control for sports performance rehab and something something yeah the longest course name ever yeah so yeah it's just how to be better at life really yeah i've just listened to your talk for a few hours a day and just soothe myself so we got part three of three of that this weekend which isn't going to be this weekend it won't be this in

terms of the uh two weeks ago the podcast being released but anyway um is that all you've done i think so i can feel a little things here there nothing major that's pretty huge for your first report out with a uni study yeah did that what was the study about uh sleep deprivation and exercise performance i think it was got to see some biopsies done never getting one of them done to me you know muscle biopsies yeah i like my own muscle in my leg so yeah got to see those get done and run the

exercise part of that so that was really cool to help with that as well awesome i think that's about it yeah you've got a busy busy year yeah i'm busy trying to fit it all done yeah 100 you got it all done so you get home from arizona and then the next year or towards the end of next year then what geez what's this what are you talking 2019 yeah end of 2018 is that the 2019 yeah what's what's the what's the grand plan so honestly i've never thought of it cool yeah i think the

a few people have spoken to me about wanting to come do the exhaust stuff especially with me and i've kind of like been around the bush of like no no i don't really this it's kind of for me like it's kind of a little selfish way of thinking but that's something that i kind of want to do not like yeah on my own but if you put yourself in that environment where you're meeting new people and you're meeting some of the best coaches in the world yeah i think on your own you're gonna open yourself

up to be to get to know them yeah and i think if you go to do it with someone you can be a little bit sheltered as well like you don't put yourself out there as much yeah i think that's something that i personally did when we went to that summit in sydney so that's something else i've done that summit in sydney was awesome had some really good speakers but i kind of not went in my shell but kind of just like hung around you and cam yeah and like in a normal stage i'd be

like out there talking to everyone yeah just kind of just how it is i think only that would have picked up on that reflecting when i thought about that yeah yeah so like and i think that if you can go to events like that by yourself then you have to make friends and you have to get i love that part of it you have to get to know people and you have to create relationships and you know i guess we use greg as an example like he's been able to foster relationships with i was scared

of greg for the first two weeks he's yeah he's probably done it he's spoke i didn't speak for two weeks i was so so imposed by it was very intimidating i don't know if you enjoy i don't know if you like hearing that or not no i told him that once yeah he didn't he wouldn't have liked it he would have been he said something i can't read it was but it was in typical greg fashion yeah there would have been something magical coming out of it yeah like i've read like three or four of

his articles i was like sweet like when you read those things you're like i'm never gonna see this person in my life that must be amazing and then he walks through yeah and he walks through it like holy hell i'm not saying anything to you and the cool thing about that is similar to you wanting to work at vertice like we were able to create a and foster a like environment where people like you and greg and ash and page and anna and everyone actually want to spend their time which is which is pretty magical

yeah do you um yeah or on the point before you really interrupted about like greg greg having fostered all those relationships with so many different people over the world and now he teaches in a bunch of different countries and things like that because he's had moments with those people he's been able to to organize those things and i think that's that's just going to open more and more doors for you yeah he's obviously i've heard us over overseas or something yeah i've uh had some like yeah i'll say in-depth conversation with greg and like a

few things that you said and like he's like yeah i know someone here you can't hang with them like just little things like that like that's that's pretty cool well i've booked a six-week south america trip for march and i said hey mate do you know anyone in south america he goes yep these two people uh in brazil spend spend a little bit of time with them and yeah they'll look after and we sat down for lunch during the lunch break of sfma level two and he's like he i always see he did so for

the people not listening we do daily videos that i don't think you've spoken on the podcast i don't know if i have but this little sidebar one of the big one of the big things with our team uh advertus and being a and being a leader or a manager or whatever you want to call it ceo of that team my my big goal and i think this is really important for any organization is to have complete open two-way communication between me and my staff but at the same time all of the staff members towards each

other and now that our team's getting a little bit bigger we're tending to find where we struggle with with knowing what's going on in everyone's lives so we've implemented what we call a daily huddle video and it's it's not completely our idea it's something that i've kind of stolen a few different ideas and different ways to implement it from a bunch of different mentors and people that that have helped me through a lot of those things so that daily huddle video we go through we put it on our group chat we go on we chuck

on facebook live so it's a live video so it can't be pre-recorded and we go through three things we go through what's going on in your world today what's front of mind what's what you're currently blocked on or what you're struggling with and what your focus is for the day and for us that's allowed us to really understand each other and what's going on in our world and what's kind of the first thing that we're thinking about and what we're worried about and struggling with and allows you know each allows us to help each other

sort through those blocks and struggles and allows us to help each other and keep ourselves accountable on our focuses but with probably the biggest benefit and something that i didn't realize was that if you sit down and talk in front of a camera for two three four minutes it's pretty therapeutic and you tend to get we as individuals as individuals tend to get just as much out of it as each other do so that's our that's our daily huddle and which is where i was going with that there was so greg who is currently overseas

teaching poland at the airport before he left he was doing his daily videos he's saying stuff about me like i don't know how to put it into words how like grateful and thankful and like just like completely gold smacked i was yes put into words because you're never going to show it oh yeah i can't just go cuddling for like three hours i could but i don't know cj would like that too big spin a little spin yeah a big little spin hundred percent probably yeah yeah and some of the things that you said there

that coming after what we spoke about at lunch and him going like yeah you could just pick up a contract for two years ago work overseas yeah something like coming from greg i was just like holy hell fuck that's that's really cool it's amazing which is where i was going with a lot yeah and but that ability to be like for you to be self-reflective to go you know what i suck at this i want to get better at this or yeah i want to improve my ability to do this cool i'm gonna go do

this course and like for all of those guys that don't understand like all of those courses they're not cheap like mitchy's put a significant amount of uh of resources both time and money into those so it's pretty cool to see him develop so quickly um because i think you're it's really easy to go oh i know i don't want to spend that two grand or fifteen hundred bucks or whatever on that specific course or on that way to develop but i think it pays itself back like tenfold yeah and like sfma is a course that's

generally run for practitioners and commissioners not one for coaches even when it was brought up that it would be taking that notice by greg but i don't think i i didn't think of it but i think many people thought of a coach doing as such and like i still have benefited from me understanding because the fms it gives you a score and you understand broadly what it is but you don't understand if i get so the scoring system zero to three if they get a whole heap of zeros or ones you don't understand why exactly

and that was the important part i was like i'm missing something here i just i'm gonna do this like i can't i can but i don't want to have a hole in something that i implement and use every day yeah so that's why i'm gonna do that yeah and it's and and it's been really cool to see you i guess work so well with greg and ash and all the other coaches in actually implementing all that stuff which is super cool tell me about amy where do i start didn't invite me to 80 that's where

i started really yeah that's that's how we kind of met that's cool yeah i was in her so i didn't pay early so i was in your 11th you know sorry i was in your 10th she was in 11th you're in the same class and then we end up in same year 12 class as well and that's how we met cute yeah we met there and uh yeah didn't invite me to a party that's that's kind of how it all started and she still forgets this but same it's just i remember these weird things and

i don't know how i do it but i don't forget the important things but i just remember odd things and a couple of people at the voters have like mentioned this and i'm like yeah that's actually really true just the little things that i somehow pick up on them when i have but it happens but yeah yeah i met in high school didn't invite me to a party center message like what the hell who is your party didn't happen generally did send you that and yeah it kind of went from there four years later here

i am yeah we are sorry yeah it's not like that god amy's uh amy's a pretty talented human yeah she's much much more talented than i and i'm more than happy to admit that what she's doing with herself at the moment she is an elite gymnast currently in prep for com games hopefully hopefully so that'll be really cool currently training a little butt off some ridiculous hours a week which is kind of why we're still taking along i think that kind of helps she she trains as much as i coach so that that helps it

definitely helps that's why we're sitting here at nine o'clock on a thursday night talking about yeah she's oh no it's a thursday night off night off you're having trouble yeah i hope she cooked dinner so so that's that's that's pretty cool to have her that being that elite in that elite environment have you thought about i guess jumping on what she does and and learning off some of those coaches to an extent i have so i met a couple of my clients now through her and their coaches as well and i also pick up things

from there and they pick off things from me we can't even relate and still talk about it like they'll use stuff that i use for them with their six-year-old gymnasts that's cool that's kind of i think how i've obviously got a lot of gymnasts and aerobics and that kind of clientele yeah so i think that's kind of how it is and i would but i don't think it's my like point of focus i think like i definitely will go do it like there is so much you can learn through gymnastic it's one of the yeah

better things that you can do for your children if they're growing up gymnastics athletics and a team sport like they're the three things you can't miss yeah maybe yeah maybe a martial art as well yeah yeah that's that's what my kids will be doing yeah i've got i've got a list of what i want to yeah maybe yeah but gymnastics is definitely one of them because it teaches movement and body control yeah exactly i don't think yeah that's really helped my coach especially like i use a lot of gymnastics and pilates type stuff in my

coaching yeah and then i think that's a really cool thing about i guess our job being a coach is there's so many different areas and different uh we're the best teams yeah we just get to steal stuff from all the different sports and and being in a niche that we are in terms of movement coaching and strength and capacity coaching we a lot of people in our industry can get really bogged down into this is the best way yeah and bodybuilding is the best way crossfit's the best way f45 is the best way you know

sprinting's the best way jumping's the best way but at the end of the day they're all just thousands of tools that we have in our toolbox that we implement as case by case yeah and that's something you are able to do really well yeah is you'll take a gymnastics based movement and then move into a powerlifting based movement and move into a you know a sports specific base movement or a coordination based movement and you're gonna get the best result yeah for your athlete which is pretty cool i've got a couple of different a couple

of questions to ask you not different questions just a couple of questions you can be as succinct or you can go as stupid as you want with your answer okay what are you grateful for the people around me for one i want to say i wouldn't be who i am without the people that i have around me and in my community good that's a very good answer yeah i'm gonna leave it at that that's yeah i'm grateful everyone around me i like it if you could have a billboard over the top of the monash freeway

why would you write on it what would you have on it thousands and thousands and thousands of people every day um there's i'd have i'd have in quotation marks i'd have there's a million ways to get better you just need to find the one that works for you oh good i like that i have my head up there though i would put your head on a little bird's logo yeah yeah i'll plug that yeah good uh this came from a from the conversation i had with wade the other day what are the five what are

the five things you wish you were taught at school can i do my tax that was one genuine yeah i would just reaffirm that hard work is something that i enjoy and is gonna some way or somehow pay me back in the future um three others don't dwell on the little things not that i do but i know that obviously a lot of people do and i can yeah turn into a vicious circle and turn into a bigger thing than what it really needs to be definitely um two others probably i think finding a community

of people that you enjoy around that you mutually benefit from benefit from being around either socially professionally anything like that yeah because i think often in high school people get stuck with obviously those small little friend groups and then as soon as you finish school you don't speak for them again yeah and then they they get out asking they're like crap what do i do in my life now yeah i don't know anyone but they're the people that you spend time with because it's because it's just easy easy and convenient they're all there like good

teaching kids this kind of fourth and fifth as well teaching kids how to make connections with people that are deeper than just your lunchtime i think that's really important yeah because i've missed a lot but and it's something it's a skill that not many people have yeah like that ability to just have sit down and have a conversation with someone who you haven't grown up with or that you don't necessarily know is quite difficult and then people get stuck in friendship groups that aren't necessarily serving them yeah or aren't necessarily serving the group and then

it's just a vicious cycle which is a good one it's a good answer if you could change one thing about the world what would it be well there's obviously your bigger things poverty cancer all that kind of stuff like nothing worse like i was showing actually anna and ash today one of my yeah i call her a friend i don't know where i'll say hello to her but better friends with her sister she had leukemia to like a while ago i'm gonna say two years let's go a while ago yeah got rid of it see

later done did cancer-free and then went through all this treatment and then found out maybe a month ago that had it again and just came out like that sucks like that no one's gonna yeah it's terrible one for just the person itself but everyone around her and i obviously i don't know her greatly but i obviously see her around and stuff like that and like even i feel like shit by it like yeah no one needs to experience that so there's obviously bigger things but if i'm gonna go like a little left to center kind

of thing i think not dwelling on little things again like just being not carefree but not letting the little things build up and make it a bigger issue than what it needs to be yeah like i think i've picked up a few of my clients saying this that i obviously say a lot it's just stressless yeah that's right go to just chill out stressless like you don't need to worry about that in the end it's not not that great it's not that important yeah and i think a big big reason or big way to fix

that is start celebrating the wins yeah and start celebrating all the little things you do well and actually when you talk to yourself and we all do it be positive and like i think it's something that our like those huddle videos we spoke about there was like a week there where everything was negative yeah and kind of checking that and going guys like let's start celebrating the words and you know every every meeting now we talk about what we're grateful for and different people in the team and it's it's so much harder for people to

give themselves pats on the back than to say something they don't like about themselves which is we're just kind of fucked up in a way yeah it is what's success to you i'm honest i i listen to every podcast i hear this question all the time and i never think about it because success to me is not that forward of mine at the moment i don't fuck success is working hard obviously enjoying something you do all day every day but in the grand scheme of bigger picture i haven't really thought about it too much that's

okay it's like coming back to that not thinking too deeply or we had that conversation about it all day but if you work hard and enjoy what you do then yeah that's success but that's just depends who who takes that as but it's your answer yeah not someone else's yeah have you had a defining moment uh not a big grandma but a few times you kind of let's say not a difficult time but something's just not clicking yeah and then like that moment where they're like oh crap yeah i understand that like that little thing

those little things kind of build up in that one big thing going like yeah what i'm actually doing is kind of it's working as making sense to them and making them better so just i think a lot of those little ones that may happen every day happen every week but build up over time you're like yeah i'm actually doing something good here what's your greatest achievement being being able to manage 20 hours of uni 10 hours of assignments 50 hours of work still play sport still go out on weekends still have amy by my side

i'm gonna go with that yeah just been able to live while doing all that for two years do you think um do you think people need to check themselves a little bit when they say there's not enough time in the week yeah yeah and i think same thing coming back those little things again like those little things fly out to two hours at a time like really they only need to be 10 minutes yeah yeah that's good if money and you gave a really good answer to this today if money wasn't an issue and you

couldn't fail what would you do with your life yeah so something that i will do before i my time on this earth is ended i will hopefully visit at least 99.9 of the world heritage charts in the world awesome so there's 1073 hopefully get to all of them no matter how minute small boring exciting they are get to all those i think that's really cool i really like history and heritage we need to print off a list yeah just tick it off i got i used to have one on my phone it was like the

250 most visited places almost isn't landmarks yeah i think i kicked off like 80 at that stage that's cool i was like 80 so i've just a little thing that was heaps of stuff uh the i'd visit the world's seven natural wonders of the world so natural rather than built waterfalls just big rocks stuff like that cool shit yeah just cool stuff um and i was who was it oh i've climbed seven summers yeah so the seven tallest mountains on each continent oh sorry the one awesome and honestly never done any of that stuff before

that's just something i want to do yeah and i waited that eventually i like that i um never hiked never done anything like missed out so this kind of my broken leg as well actually i missed out on all the out during high school ah because you really yeah and my family's not the most adventurous or outgoing kind of family is somewhere that i know yeah like i always always always want to do that and just have it and missing out that after ed stuff kind of i haven't done anything since that as well so

yeah well i think the big thing like and someone like i'm someone that has dipped my toe in the water in terms of adventure and trips and hikes and stuff like that and i love that stuff and a lot of people have said to me i could never do that yeah just gotta do it he's gonna oh i'd love to do it and i know i'd love to do it even though i haven't done grab a pack put on your back and yeah just go walk and walk or kayak or yeah ride or whatever um

but i uh after you said that today that the seven seven highest peaks was what you wanted to do i was it's pretty cool yeah not many people can say they can do it no there's a list of fun lists actually there's not many people no there wouldn't have been but that's pretty cool it's pretty amazing and it's not for the achievement of doing it especially just doing it and being able to experience that was with the i think because achievement i like the word achievement rather than success and this is this comes from a

lot of stuff i've talked to greg about yeah but if you achieve something it means you've put in the work you've done it yeah and it's and you've experienced it and i think that experience that's the best part about it yeah i love you cherries things could be anything i have to do uh everest next year yeah definitely maybe not maybe not to the top yet man go to uh base camp tell me something very few people know about you i think i just told you this but i know most people don't know it i

got into high school obviously being a very sporty person i went through a music scholarship and i think you said certainly said this couple weeks yeah you nearly were white when i said what was the uh the instrument of choice i played the trumpet you look like a trumpet kid and the reason behind this is i had a yes i do so the reason that i got into this in the first place was when i was in when i was four or five yeah i had like uber bad asthma like super bad asthma and the

doctor doctor recommended also the inhaler and all that kind of stuff but recommended playing an instrument of some type yeah to teach my body how to cyclic breathe that's cool i've got rid of myself i have no form of anything anymore that's amazing yeah pretty cool it's a pretty cool doctor could tell you the doctor's name where i was but forever thankful good from him oh yeah so that's how it is if you could be remembered in one sentence what would it be someone that changed someone's life for the better good what advice would you

give the 14 year old version of yourself geez 14 what was that you know i think before you broke your leg right yeah before i'm gonna leave keep doing what you're doing you'll get to where you want to be eventually no matter what path you go or who you run into i like it what are you most proud of bit cheesy i will say amy oh i know i know same thing like as i spoke about the start like i'm not the greatest person expressing emotion and she'll she'll cop the brunt of it to be

fair and like she's one of the best like amazing humans that you'll ever meet but i don't think she quite understands that for me so something like that but other than that yeah just getting through uni ingredients to win you 20 good pretty cool yeah so i was like 22 when i finished yeah yeah i was 22 when i finished yeah good way ahead what do you what are you and this is the flip side of that question what are you most ashamed of oh and you haven't heard some of these questions no i like

it i'm most ashamed of it's an interesting one to think about yeah it's gonna go like one or two ways like i have a love-hate relationship with favor i i hate being not bad at something but not doing something to the best of my ability but i also love it at the same time because it's a learning opportunity yeah so that kind of comes back to it a little bit but apart from that maybe putting more time down yeah i don't think to see that as disappointment i was gonna say putting more time into work

rather than other things but i want to do that so that's fine by me but i think other people may not see that differently yeah i get that actually i will go something not being at home for dinner five months i love coaching and doing i do as much as i can yeah yeah it isn't necessarily conducive to being home for dinner yeah and like not being able to sit at the dinner table my family like sometimes i get home and no one's awake well i'd say for like three days yeah just little things like

that but mom and dad are pretty good like that they understand why so makes it a little bit easier yeah and your family's a pretty similar in that yeah that way do you have a hero i don't think so all right well then who do you think who you look up to and why i'd go oh i'd go yeah actually i'll go here i i really really growing up jim's size was probably one like right up there obviously with the reese foundation and they did stuff with frankston as well so he was probably right up

there even like people that i haven't had personal experience with like michael ala from what was the movie that's gonna drive me insane sandberg um yeah favorite movie ever that story of just like being growing up not having everything but just just keep doing what he's doing just in his own little world and just being able to experience that and then i'm not winning a super bowl yeah it's pretty cool yeah like that's that's real cool and like yeah they made a movie about it but obviously i read a few other extra things it's just

like his stories it's really cool awesome good what is your worst habit not close to the cupboard that'd be fun for mom what's happened for amy oh i'll be a few uh oh where do i start heavy sleeper yeah snore oh yeah amy hates that i'm gonna go through your alarm a couple of times yeah a couple of times same thing not happy about that but they haven't we move on what's the nicest thing that someone has ever done for you anyone that gives up their time to help me in some form or another what's

what's the nice thing you've ever done for someone i saw that one coming i think there's there's obviously really really nice things that people do well sorry that i do for people but i like to do little things and not especially the people that i have any form of contact with little things just like holding the door open letting someone go at the crossing and like when i see people like run across the crossing i'm like what are you doing for like i'm just letting you walk across the crossing like you don't have to run

like i've been no rush it's just that those little things like hold the door open let someone go across the crossing you know just say thank you just little things like that just being appreciative of just that i like that what's the greatest piece of advice you've ever received it's a quote it may have come from your mouth um hard work has a funny way of paying you back good i love that yeah that still sticks in my brain every day so so simple yeah and that came from my footy coach so taps cheers to

you what's the greatest piece of advice you've given or that you give regularly keep keep doing what you're doing because some way or somehow you'll get to where you want to be good if you could invite three people to dinner dead or alive who would you invite and why i'd go i'd have greg not just saying because i know it i generally would have greg a wealth of knowledge wealth of experience anything and everything he'll have an answer for pretty much um who else let's go someone left the summer i would have you have a

grass style good same thing real cool dude real smart just so down to earth and so straight to the point yeah i really enjoy that let's go someone not currently alive this is this may upset a few people actually i would generally have out of Hitler you're not the only person to give that answer yeah like just to like like just understand a little bit more like obviously during that time everything gets written and like you don't know if it's true or not yeah could be could not be how stuff is portrayed to us may

not be how it actually happened yeah and how he was as a person like obviously not a very nice guy but it'll be interesting to see hear things from yeah yeah and just just have him segregated from all that other and if you and if you realize that he is just a cunt you can just neck him yeah that's fair you're not alive do you just bottle it you can be here in ghost form like it'd be interesting like yeah why are you as a person yeah are you really the biggest dick in the world

that's good all right a couple of favorites finish off favorite way to spend a sunday afternoon nine o'clock wake up a couple hours it's morning mate but yeah carry on yeah cut out yeah it counts trust me it counts in the evening um always have coffee i think yours is going to be very similar to mine yeah i know keep going i know just chilling out doing something i enjoy could be just sitting on the couch doing absolutely nothing could be helping mom and dad read about the house something that i enjoy doing and doing

that for multiple hours that's good very good favorite book not the biggest reader fun though there you go of books books audio books or just articles i read a lot of articles and stuff like that but i am very fidgety and can't sit still like my keys are on the floor for a reason like i just fiddle with things like i can't help it and sitting down and reading a book i'm sure i would love to do yeah like you're playing scissors right now no one can see that and i've noticed you doing that for

the last 20 minutes yeah but sitting down and reading a book i would i think i really enjoy but i reckon i'd have to read one page at a time yeah yeah have you tried audio books probably properly yes and no that's pretty game changer for me because i'm the same so yeah yes like i have but only earphones walking or something like that not sitting down and actually listening to it yeah yeah okay yeah because you you want to be doing other stuff yeah generally like and even from a young age like just not

didn't enjoy it just didn't find as much time as i would want to sit down and read a book yeah i understand the personal growth and everything that you can get from it but like for me it's probably just not for me and i'm sure i'll change but for now that's it's not quite you might get more boring as you get older yeah i don't know if i can get more boring though i'm pretty boring now true i haven't done anything yeah you're doing stuff you're doing favorite resource in your information instagram fun fact obviously

being a new age person instagram is a massive world yeah of just people you just you could end up half an hour end up someone in like germany you have no idea who they are but personal development staff like the s&c world is full of coaches that use their instagram there's just so much information out there and i their little save feature on instagram i use that for all that work yeah yeah that's really interesting and like majority of my instagram is not people that i know or just people around just people that i know

that i can benefit from learning off and that's pretty cool because like i definitely don't use instagram for that yeah there's definitely other areas that i get my information from but it's cool to be able to see a picture see a little bit of information click on a link dive deeper into that information yeah um do you find is it hard to sift through all the shit sometimes or you just don't follow the the ones that you don't get a lot of value out of it's really easy just to scroll past it like if you

read the first three or four sentences like yeah there's no okay i just go to move on carry on with your life yeah and dwell on it too much and i like the visual aspect of it i'm a very visual person i like to see things being done rather than understand it from reading time yeah that's also coming back to that book stuff again like i'm very visual yeah good being able to see it and then implement it five seconds later yeah that's cool definitely you can see like you see a video on it and

you go that's why they're doing that let's implement it with class yeah because yeah i often do it you could see something the night before and use it the next day yeah that had their set programs or anything like that but in that restaurant let's go try this so you're solving something that's going to give you that same seven different yeah that's cool now this is basically an underarm throw for you to hit a six with this i'll still probably miss it favorite person in the world oh i know who i should say that's definitely

only good that's all that's yes i was looking for finish off last one favorite quote oh i have like 20 and then as soon as i asked of it i'll just forget them all obviously the hard work one that's one but we've already spoken about that yeah but can't double up yeah i'm not that guy there was one there was one i read today i really enjoyed and for the life man i can't remember it now it's written down on my phone but i'm not gonna get my phone it come on kind of my favorite

is not there i think i do like a fair few on the walls at the moment at the gym yeah like i really enjoy the comparison as a thing for joy obviously not for myself personally like i i rarely compare myself to others like i'm my own person like i don't need to compare myself to others to get gratitude yeah that's all here the dopamine like i don't need that but for other people i can understand why that's sort of beneficial towards them and often like if they're saying something if i say like one of

my clients are an example who's currently seeing ash and maddie as well she often will walk in like i'm not doing that yeah and i just point to the wall and be like it's fine like that's not for you like you don't need you do you yeah exactly you do you yeah yeah it's pretty powerful quote and something that you know in the age of instagram and facebook and things like that yes it's probably one that can resonate with the most people yeah purely because it's such a problem mate thank you very much thanks for

coming on thanks for having me i uh i thoroughly enjoyed it cheers to you you