S1E13 · The Snake Hole: Stynesy, Brown Snake and Meatballs -Here for a good time

Hey guys welcome to the Virtus performance podcast this is episode number 13. Today I was lucky enough to sit down and chat to the boys from the snake hole, Steinzy, Brown Snake and Meatballs. These are three very very talented humans who run a gallery and have a clothing range. Most of you guys who have been into Virtus would have seen their artwork on our walls. I'll share it all up here so you guys can see it. But we had a really really good chat about business, about life, about success and and all the little things

that go into running a successful clothing range and a successful business and what it means to be creative and and all those kind of things. So this was a lot of fun I'm sure you will enjoy it and hopefully you learn something. My personal and business goal is to be just a little bit better every day. I believe everyone especially normal people have a story to tell. The Virtus podcast exists to help us all find small ways of consistent improvement by discussing the journey and experiences of each of our guests. Boys welcome to the podcast. We have Josh, Cam and Josh from the snake hole.

Boys welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Now not many people know you as Josh, Josh and Cam. Talk to me about your nicknames. Where did they come from? You should start because it's the best. I get beat for us all the time. It's stuck for about ten years now. I worked at PSC. That's where I actually met Rowney and I was working there and they used to order Subway every Friday and they had the order form and I just thought it was like the name of the sub you want into the name category. Apparently you put your actual name in there.

Who would have thought? And I put meatballs in there and it's stuck and one of the guys just goes you're an idiot you put meatballs in as a name and I thought whatever. Anyway next staff meeting that he announced it in front of everyone he said this is Josh that he's started here and he's yelled out everyone call him meatballs and it's stuck from that I've no idea. Everyone and how many nicknames from meatballs? There's meatballs, ballsy, meaty, meaty. At least you didn't order a seafood delight or something like that. Yeah, chicken breast. And there was so many times where we'd call you folks up and be like yeah guys meatballs home and they'd be like ahhh.

That's hilarious to me how they call you meatballs. Yeah they call me that and Dad likes when people get something like Mr Meatballs or some people say Mr Meatballs. They love it and he's the best. Mr Balls. Mr Balls. Yeah it's funny like hearing like watching people's reaction though where like someone who like doesn't know me is they just know me as Josh. Someone goes hey balls. Yeah. It's like I wonder what kind of an actual backstory. Just a mad boar. A funnier one. Yeah. I need a couple of go tos. Yeah I need a couple backup ones to make it like really awkward for someone.

Yeah that's never happening meatballs are just never going away. Nah never mind. Stinesy? Where'd that come from? Last name? Oh okay. That's as obvious as it gets. What's the story behind that one man? Well I'm pretty similar height to Jim Stines. Jim Stines is an 11 year old kid. Brown? He's still gone. The Brown Snake names by the way. Oh yeah that I actually got it was um when I was living up in Sydney. Our boy Brenni Ganane named uh named started that and and Lukey Stutfield and they they called they started calling me the Brown Snake because I'm real skinny.

My last name is obviously Brown and I'm real skinny and I've got no shoulders. That's good that's good. You've got shoulders now you've started a train. Yeah mate thanks to you. Did you have a nickname? When you were growing up? Nah. You got nothing? Nah. I had no fun when I was growing up. Really? Just super boring. Surely you get like Wally? I get Wally occasionally while Lockie but nothing that's nothing that's not a derivative of my name which is super boring. Yeah yeah right yeah I had nothing until then either I was I had no nicknames until now I'm completely...

Is Brown Snake where the snake hole came from? Yeah kind of we we kind of when we kind of built the snake hole it was kind of studio space slash gallery and I think we were in the snake hole one day just kind of and I said to camera maybe maybe we should just call it snake hole like because at first it was kind of just my studio and then the boys moved in maybe not long after yeah um and I was just like oh it makes sense the snake hole Brown Snake and it just

kind of went from there and it looks like a snake hole too it's like a shipping container yeah well it's actually not a shipping container but everyone thinks it is yeah and it looks like it's the easiest way to explain the place though yeah yeah it's long and skinny yeah how did it all get started from from was it just a space if you guys decided to tell them well I moved when I moved back from Sydney I mean I just needed a space to work out of and um I needed a studio space first

and foremost and um kind of was working in there basically dad was my dad's space and he had all these like um all these machinery stuff in there went in and cleaned it all out and I was basically just working for dad in the metal um factory um to pay the rent off so I'd go in in the morning do three hours of metal work just like doing jigs jig welding like um and and basically just paid paid off my rent for the week and then I'd just do my freelance in there that's cool um

and that's kind of where it started and um and then we started the gallery and that was kind of when the boys came in and we started running shows and exhibitions and and it's all just kind of snow from there yeah there were some good times back then yeah how'd you meet these two knuckleheads meatballs was at PSC Stonsie was just I don't know creeping around creeping around the car park and yeah and yeah I don't know we just from being down the beach yeah Stonsie just popped up like a little meerkat I guess we

all did art so it kind of just I don't know if it was kind of we just kind of you know met down the surf mainly and yeah nice started working together so yeah same sort of you know things in common with art skateboarding surfing and yeah it just went from that to hanging out more and more and putting on art shows and galleries and whatnot and then yeah started doing t-shirts and from there now we run a business together yeah how's the transition been from going from like mates who just hung out to mates

who hang out like run a business no it was pretty easy for us I think like we try not to nothing's really changed yeah yeah yeah really well I guess we feel it still just feels like we're doing what we love like yeah you know before that we'll just make an art and and doing exhibitions now we just kind of would transition that into the fashion yeah immersion together yeah I suppose like there is there is the business side but we always don't try to focus too hard like trying to make sure everything's got a

good balance otherwise you don't want too much of any one thing I suppose yeah otherwise it kind of would it lose the that that kind of vibe that we want to have anyway yeah as well as being lucky kind of friendly and soft and yeah no we've definitely created something special like that vibe uh kind of brought all us to you guys pretty pretty quickly pretty easy once we moved into morning how did that end up happening again I can't remember how did you guys think how did we even team up with you guys I

think we actually there's been a few times where Meeples has popped up when people swiped right yeah or is it swipe left or right or he's a very good looking user you don't get lost and see you don't know I know I know Amy from common folk um you popped up on her tinder we're already throwing each other in the bus sorry mate quickest swipe right I was thinking to come from Stein's first but I did I moved to duck and touch just from brownie I think when we when Jesse and I first started looking

in mornington we had a few coffees in um in common folk and I think I remember you guys coming in yeah I think we'd sit there and have coffee and we realized you guys were out the back so we'd come in and just have a look at all the cool shit you had um wanted to buy it all but didn't have any money which nothing some things don't change but and then we eventually yeah eventually got talking to your boys and I think we bought a couple little bits and pieces and then we're like yeah

well we found that's right we found this space we were uh we were like holy shit we got a big wall would you guys be came to a mural and yeah it's all come from there that's right holy shit yeah but it's only it's what two years it seems two years ago it seems like it was like three or four years ago yeah yeah a lot's happened in those two yeah yeah it's crazy fast but yeah and then you've started paying for us and you're still paying for us yeah we're still going with that one

wall we're like a union site we're just trying to drag it out we've got so many rdos but we put a good dent in it today yeah we're getting there we're getting there it's very very cool all good things take time bro wasn't built in a day vertical wasn't paid in two years either strength and conditioning man yeah all good things take time you're spot on but yeah it's it's kind of cool what what kind of what are your favorite things about being in mornington and being in that space and having I guess that community

around you guys I think well we all grew up here so yeah it is a pretty special place for all of us and um it's close to the surf yeah very true which that's a huge factor like I mean that just surfing is where our whole lives revolve around surfing and art yeah so um for me it's it's massive and it's really hard to kind of live on the peninsula and then work in the city you know stonesy does the commute every day um but yeah it's we're pretty blessed to be able to work in

this part of the world yeah yeah and there's a huge huge we're a huge on community as well and um yeah we just we want to support the community and offer something else um through the arts and um you know help other artists as well and provide a space for them to work out of and you know all that kind of thing so um yeah it's pretty special for us that's all of our friendship circles are pretty much all based on the peninsula so it's good to be centralized yeah 100 yeah definitely how how did

you all get into art did you all like growing up as as little tackers did you all want to draw or is that something that you all kind of fell into i don't don't remember not doing art like i was yeah as a kid i've still got drawings from when i was four and five with my granddad that we sat down and paint and draw and yeah i don't remember not doing yeah i think the first thing i remember is just doing like thinking i was really into doing surfboard sprays and spray painting and ruining

mom's old mom's spatulas spraying the concrete and new pavement with over spray not not masking stuff off properly yeah but i remember just doing that i remember having surfboards and painting them and then just taking the spray off like two weeks later like turpentine when i said smell it it's like probably getting high as hell just smack like turpentine off all these sprays and then just redoing them again in high school i thought i was gonna end up in trade or some sort really yeah i thought i was gonna i thought i wanted to be

a builder maybe yeah right i like um i only decided like probably in the last two months of high school that i didn't want to do maybe these hands are too soft with designer hands what about you red um i yeah i was kind of similar to stance always did art when i was a kid and um i think my my parents may have seen a glimmer of talent there and um sent me to drawing school like basically just to art classes and things like that and and that kind of kick-started my passion for art

i suppose but um yeah i've always done it i've always my sister's a graphic designer and um i guess she influenced me a lot when i was younger and you know really liked that industry so yeah kind of how i fell into it awesome did you all like study it or did you just kind of yeah we've seen brandy's study no no good no you talked about nice really no no i finished it for real did you know that you're always gonna do bog stacking no not really like at uni our our degree is exercise

in sports science but it's very much an arts degree for people who like sport yeah it's uh it's a mile wide but an inch deep so you learn a lot of it a little bit about a lot yeah and you don't really have a i guess a direction there's not it's not like you go to school to be a a teacher and you're a teacher like it's very very different so i kind of got through my bachelor and and realized holy shit i still don't know what i want to do with the rest of my

life um and so when you 12 and stuff did you think that you wanted to do something you knew i wanted to do some with sports some with sport but that's a very very broad thing to want to do i always wanted to play afl footy um but was never good enough and then yeah just played footy and went to uni and coached well that was pt from from when i started yeah i think i saw like vintage photos do you have it did you have a little gym or something so yeah i worked at

a commercial gym jets in langley for like 12 months yeah and then started with like a three by three meter part of dad's shed so i worked out of there for a little while and then they're flying some stuff coming down to your old town sounds like boy archer yeah it's exactly the same so that's kind of why james and i hit it off um shout out to voyager we hit it australia because we had a chat and i think you boys put me on to him and we talked about both starting from a shed

like both we both started actually at the same time what's that steak i'll start from the shed yeah still is in the shed we moved into my parents house yeah true we're taking over that as well yeah well now we're just in a big shit that's all good things start in a shed yeah yeah and it just kind of just grew from there like it i ended up just saying hey dad can i have this little bit of the shed as well and we i just took over by the time i left and we moved

into into what vertices now i had i've basically taken over half the shed did you have do you still have clients here that you were training back there yeah i've i've probably three or four of my first five clients i've ever got at jets are still with me now which is kind of cool that's right and then like they're all very different humans they're all from different i guess walks of life but um i've had some some pretty fortunate uh pretty good followers everyone's followed me a lot of people have followed me from each i

guess step which is kind of cool um to have them i guess a part of we've got a family now when i'm not like i've been coaching since 2010 so having them since then it's kind of cool yeah that's what i suppose we've had pretty similar in the fact that we've had a lot of the same once we started creating clothes yeah we've had some really loyal people who have bought stuff from every range since for the last two years well there's everyone here there's probably like a group of like five or six of us

that every time your stuff comes out every time the new range comes out there's always a couple messages like i'm buying this i'm buying this so we don't so we don't double up but it never works because we all want to buy the same stuff how did you guys get into teas was it always a natural progression from art or we've all kind of got backgrounds in in fashion like me and stein's worked at insight together yeah and i was up in sydney steinsey was in the melbourne in sales in melbourne but um you were

always coming up for range releases and things like that and so we've kind of been in fashion um kind of working together um i guess in different roles and then myself and meatballs worked at balan together and worked on a clothing range there for those guys um just like local surf hardware brand um which was that was that was pretty good for us you know like that was insane thinking about that now yeah that was insane that was pretty um because we're learning how to work with factories and develop specs and measure up clothes and

what you know know different materials react in different ways you know i think working in a small company it's really good because you can you can kind of spread out across a lot of different things and learn a lot of all the different things yeah because there's not a whole lot of hands on deck you kind of get the opportunity to work in advertising and design and then yeah product development and fashion so balls and i've learned a lot there and that kind of kick-started us it was a good stepping stone for us when was

your first range yeah and we got all the range yeah yeah three t-shirts three t-shirts one inch yeah i guess we've got to give a bit of a shout out to psc for picking us up on that one because the old psc yeah sarah dyson yeah she um helped us a lot she they um stopped us in peninsula surf for our first range and um like that's a bit of a leg up yeah i'm forward to print all the t-shirts yeah how'd you bring all the first ones was it like i think it was james

james oh no oh china yeah first one yeah we're into china for the first time i think we had to order some pretty big numbers straight international yeah we got that yeah we and then we came back then we came back and we're like no we can't afford to do we had to do a lot of t-shirts i remember that and we're lucky the pscs bought a lot at the time yeah yeah totally and then re-bought yeah yeah and it was kind of funny like we were we were looking for a local manufacturer or screen

printer and um literally that so the same week i got a call from james yeah i was like yeah i made that i'm a screen printer i'm actually looking to get someone to get them uh to have a mural done yeah and i'm like oh yeah cool and i was like you screen printer mate we're looking for a screen printer he's like oh yeah talk to me talk to me and um that was kind of bit yeah yeah um so that and it was perfect timing for both of us and he didn't want to do

it at the start that's what he said yeah you're doing it he's like oh i don't know i'm good enough i'm like you're fine just do it yeah he's worried about the size of the order and one of the jobs well the job not to the ball pair with the technical side but he used to work with a lot of plastisol which is the type of ink and then we wanted another type of it he hadn't worked with and i think they react i don't know they must react differently or treat differently so it's a

harder process you get thrown into a job that's probably you know way bigger than he'd done before but it was totally new materials and every process was bigger and he was pretty sketching out on that pretty narrow yeah he got it done no that's not a boy boy just screen printing for anyone hurry to the building podcast number four or three yeah i'll have to get it back on soon oh man he was real upset of not being invited today he's gone vegan now i think he has he has no fun anymore he just lives

up homus that guy so we're two from here how many ranges do you buy in there four what ranges right yes from that well we've pretty much done four a year at least yeah we're trying to do six yeah two main ranges and four injections yeah yeah awesome um but we've got big plans like you know we're taking ourselves really seriously these days unfortunately yeah we i mean the first few ranges were pretty kind of thrown together but um yeah there's a lot of structure to it now which is good um and yeah i mean

we our main goal is to be able to have you know because this was all built on the side of our um day jobs yeah so we our goal is just to get a get a wage out of it and be able to do our own thing like that's the dream yep japan trips japan we go to japan and sell stuff over there aren't you big in portugal is it portugal oh we used to get a lot of so much work traffic from portugal it's crazy the first like three months of the launch there was

like just a bunch of work travel in portugal it wasn't australia it was so weird yeah it was really odd it was almost more than australia and but they're like their um income oh what is it the import taxes they pay huge import taxes yeah they can't really buy something has that cost them like what they pay for it here they have to pay again pretty much okay so it's no it's been new zealand lately i've seen heeds coming through from new zealand yeah that's cool that's cool where's most of the growth come from there's

been people around here or has it been starting to hit those like that next level the next we're starting to get a lot interstate now like initially it was just victoria and local but there is quite a lot interstate and we're really pushing to push international sales as well yeah looking for distribution and things like that um internationally um so yeah i mean you'll probably go to chat about that stein's with sales and everything yeah it's definitely a good thing about having stein's sales background what are your different roles in the business what are you

all how do you split it up and how do you decide who did what well we probably almost just work across every facet of the business together yeah good we don't really separate a great deal other than when it comes to anything to do with a computer which is not my forte too many megapixels for me i don't know what to do with it but he rocks up with a sheet of paper he's like hey brownie i did this um can you scan it for me scan um editor can you have to patch it whatever

you do yeah but we try to you know everyone tries to work across all facets where they can yeah just so you know or more you know more hands on one job is makes it a lot easier probably helps bouncing ideas on each other probably know too like with a small business you kind of really need to be backing each other all the time yeah you have to wear a thousand different hats yeah that's right yeah until until then it's good like that anyway because like you know something's slowing down we can all we're okay

we're jumping in and helping each other yeah so if someone's away some of us can just jump in yeah i mean we like i don't know about you guys but i've really been enjoying you know the growth of the bit like growing the businesses and yeah like business development the development yeah it's like which i never thought that i would really enjoy yeah but i agree yeah it's really exciting um so that's been fun i was chatting to one of our physios at footy the other day and one of the questions he asked is like

why why did you start a gym why did why why didn't you just coach somewhere else and i've never really been asked that question i kind of had to think about it and i was like well i'm building something like and i think you guys are doing exactly the same thing like it's probably cool to sit back and go 2014 was our first range and we had three shirts and how many did you have last one or the big one yeah yeah it's crazy thing about that because sometimes when you when you're surrounded by a

little time it's hard to see what you've actually done from the outside of your time like especially you know if you have a slow week in sales or like you know production gets delayed or something it's just things start seeming a bit hard sometimes yeah then you can look to take a look back about that first range and actually realizing how far you've come yeah yeah that's pretty cool it's pretty cool like that what are the main mistakes you guys have made and what have you learned from oh to where we start probably big listen

like oh man yeah mistakes are where we actually grow and learn i think yeah they're inevitable in any small business but what are the main ones well we spent the first year without a plan on anything we just every dollar we like we if we had 100 in the in the account we would spend it right then we would spend 100 on buying t-shirts and plan for potential bills coming up or anything like that like we were just trying to buy as much stuff as we could and i don't know what we didn't really have

a lot of foresight but i suppose that kind of made us have it now is what's made us plan a lot harder and we finally did a business plan like maybe two years in yeah so i don't know like i suppose big big ones for us has just been for us it's been fine manufacturers yeah and you know it's such a difficult learning to ask the right questions and stuff like that and stuff you couldn't really figure out until you've you know fucked up a few bits and pieces yeah a bunch of samples come in

with like three arms and some shit like that yeah but it's all yeah it's all part of it like yeah i think we've got something we've probably gotten a little bit better with but we really struggled with was organization and timelines yeah like finding time for ourselves to do to work on the business because we obviously had a lot of you know had our day jobs as well so yeah i think that's something something lucy's helped us with us a lot we've got a business coach now which is good and she kind of keeps us

on track um but yeah that that's been a big one for me yeah for sure yeah and stansy works you know stansy's working 40 50 hours a week at his day job got family and stuff like that then he comes in and you know our our weddings admit meetings on like tuesday nights they run from like five to you know sometimes 12 to 12 a night to one two in the morning yeah and then you know we might have especially cannot or a drop we'll have you know with not two or three of them a

week and then there's design time on the side of that that's just the three of us hanging out and catching up yeah and on the side of that there's drawing to be done anywhere else to be sent stansy's chasing shops up brownie's you know handling social media and going to barley and stuff yeah right before launch rip the timing yeah but that's what makes it awesome though i love the hustle yeah that's why we all do it yeah it's exciting you probably feel the same way around life as much as sometimes it can be real

stressful yeah you have those days where you don't want to come into work or you you get to 13 hours in or 14 hours in and just like what am i doing but it feels like you're going backwards oh 100 you have those days but at the end of the day like you're building something so you come back to how far you've come and what you've actually done and and how much you've improved and it's definitely made me appreciate like anyone who has a really successful business yeah you see like someone who you think like

who's gonna know he's doing pretty well and you go damn they must have had some long nights yeah i feel like they're crazy but they've spent so much time and especially people who've done it on their own like we've got three of us and we still struggle you know like it's funny like i tell i speak to people they're like oh you guys got the cruise i'm like i get home and my kids haven't seen me for two days because i'm stuck in a warehouse yeah i think i think that's the thing people that haven't

done it or haven't run a business don't kind of see that they have their maybe nine to five job or you know eight to six job or whatever but when you run your own show it's uh 24 hours a day you're always thinking about it and you're always like kind of going well how can i change or how can i make this better or how can i improve and it's it's like it's a struggle it's a grind but i don't know personally i wouldn't have it any other way no i can't imagine not having any

other way though yeah yeah it's the way to go and you've all been able to squeeze a little bit of travel while you've been doing it yeah well yeah yeah have you done much time so you get to go to the states a little bit oh that's me that's work though yeah yeah um but yeah not travel no i need to get away more yeah i mean we want to be able to travel for work soon hopefully yeah and do some sourcing trips and you know even our road trips we used to do the little

queens yeah shows that we used to yeah you know go and do it and do more of that yeah that was good fun kind of give back to the people that supported us like the stores so we'll go out there and do an art show and have a good party yeah try and look at doing different launches and associate with the crew yeah cool really cool where do you guys get your ideas from oh where do we start there i mean every range kind of starts with a bit of a design meeting like this last

the range we're designing at the most summer um we literally started that what two days after we launched winter um so we've kind of back to back so it is kind of hard to start fresh and you know find new ideas but we just kind of pick a theme like well you know we'll just kind of shoot ideas at each other and pick a theme something that you know we're all vibing on and um and then just start brainstorming and just writing stuff down throwing stuff on the whiteboard and um and then we'll kind of

pick a theme for a range and then that kind of gives you a good basis of you know where to go from there because it's often hard to start an artwork and be like just from nowhere and it also tightens up the range as well you know everything works in harmony like together and you know it's it's all you know between the color palette and the style and the cuts and the artwork it really tightens things up and it it's really a lot easier for us to kind of generate ideas yeah i mean at the

moment we're going down a bit of a like summer's kind of going to be like a bit of a psychedelic kind of yeah yeah it's going to be a vibe and we're still going to art together for that that's cool we're never not looking as well like yeah no we're all you know a bit of the same like i'm sure like you know you're watching if you're watching you know you can get ideas from tv shows or like just day-to-day walking down the road or it's inspiration comes from everywhere for us like we're pretty lucky

to be surrounded like be also surrounded by so many friends who are creatives and whether it's like an art itself or whether it's kind of business you know like business management or anything like that we're pretty much surrounded we're pretty lucky to be around inspiration yeah it's not hard especially like in uh mornington mornington potential life there's so many cool businesses and so many people doing cool stuff it's pretty easy to get that little kick up the ass when you've had a shit day or a down day down days let's not go there don't feel

like running on down days oh yeah it was a little bit of um we had a we got a feature in stab mags anybody doesn't know it's a surfing magazine it's a pretty decent size publication we're really amped they they they said they were going to run a feature for us and put photos in there and that was really good time for us because we're running our winter 17 range which is our one of the two biggest drops we do of the year that in summer and um the range is called down times and it

was literally printed on the t-shirts everywhere on the t-shirts and stab somehow managed to public uh like release the publication call the range down days we should have said depressing hey you win some you lose some again yeah any publicity the publicity right yeah apparently even if you can't get the name of the range right that's outstanding yeah yeah it's probably like picking your favorite children but you guys have flat favorite pieces and favorite things you've done oh that's a good question actually all minor on the uh the clipping board and all my favorite ones

get clipped you guys just shut it down well there's sometimes there's power of three sometimes there's like oh man i don't know people are going to be feeling having like a time i use them yeah i don't know starting out dear sometimes could be pretty out there just radio silence but why don't you do this and you two are just like no you tell them this time um my i don't know what are my favorite pieces geez um the socks yeah all wearing a pair um cute yeah i don't know the hopes romantic tea probably

is one of my favorite ones that we released so far i've got all colors yeah that one actually that tea really blew the brand up a fair bit i think that when we released that um we had no idea it seemed to be that popular but we we um we were getting so many hit ups for that t-shirt we still do yeah well gone that that one was just the right place right time in terms of the formula and being on the edge of like when like all the stuff like there's so many roses and

stuff now but it happened to just be when it was just starting to blow up it was just one of those things and yeah that that piece that was ridiculous the the um the kind of attention the brand got from that one i didn't think one item of clothing could make that much of a difference it's really cool yeah it must have gone out there pretty big too because there's a lot of people that have used the same kind of idea and tried to done that same graphic yeah it's like oh okay guys yeah well

you're a much bigger company than us and you're sort of by now style yeah it's you know in in a way it's tumbling and it's you know that's good but does that happen often got like i think it happens in fashion i have everyone yeah like in our industry it happens and it used to be one of those things that i get really frustrated and really annoyed about how does it happen in your your history just like the same like i'm being believed someone's got a t-rex yeah yeah i'm sure we got that for some

way but just like you see what other people do and you can't help it kind of uh like do it do it the same way creatively adapt and and you know sometimes it happens with programs or or courses or educational things and and you know it's gotta it gets to a point where people just like stop crediting the original source which gets a little bit dangerous and and things like that but then you kind of look back and everyone's doing the same shit and everyone's been doing the same shit for a long period of time

it's just everyone's got their own little take on it so yeah it it doesn't really it doesn't bother me at all anymore um gym beef back in the day but but like i'm sure your industry would probably be worse yeah you know all your ip's out there especially with instagram you know yeah social media kind of makes it an easy platform to do yeah yeah yeah your two favorite favorite article or items or pieces or or characters oh that's a tough one i'll tell you i was thinking the other day i'm like yeah the seven

color panther oh yeah did anything like that again yeah because like it almost sent james to the cardiac arrest yeah that thing yeah that's probably one of my favorites like um that i think that thing sold out in two days or something yeah that one was ridiculous and then we actually tried to like get some more from james and he just said no at least he was able to say no that's good from him yeah because we did it in like a six or seven color print yeah and then we did a one color one

he goes i'll give you the one color no the six color though and the times like we get calls when we've made that t-shirt he's like i don't know i don't know like worry yeah i know i guess give it a shot give it a shot he stresses way too much about that stuff he's just gonna pull the tree he's a perfectionist that's part of the yeah yeah which is what you need out of your screen print yeah it's kind of good though because that's kind of work where we started to kind of do limited

runs of things and yeah and and yeah we watch this as soon as we do a line of t-shirts yeah they're not even after the public and we get the screens cleaned yeah okay so you so you will you will you bring anything back or no no no that's cool maybe the hope's from me what if there's a shitload of cash on over nah nah it's not like it's yeah sell it out yeah maybe maybe i wouldn't mind like a a yacht yeah yeah yeah yeah you can call it the hopeless romantic that's a good

name for a yacht that's a good name for a yacht yeah someone write that down what advice would you guys have for younger artists younger up-and-coming artists who want to maybe start their own label or have a have a gallery back yourself yeah good yeah don't second guess if you believe in it you've got to go for it because you know you're right you're only your review what is it your your own worst enemy or you know your best critic is yourself as well so you know don't be too hard on yourselves and have a

crack and i'd say on the other side of that kind of um don't jump into it too quickly um yeah get some experience work you know one of the best things i did was get a mentor and work under them and just soak it up yeah learn as much as you can and you know the technical side and the creative side and um you know um if you you know go to uni or go to tapes and go you know get that education um but then gives you a platform to yeah work off that's right

yeah and like in a like jump into the workforce and just work under someone else and and um because that was one of the best things that i did so yeah yeah yeah i had like i'll i worked in the studio and i worked under a really awesome character actor and i learned so much from them i learned more from them than i did that i could have ever learned from out of uni or like a tape or being like uh anything any kind of tertiary education doesn't compare to being in the actual industry yeah

and picking up lots and pieces i think both are really valuable but yeah yeah yeah i 100 percent yeah i understand the fundamentals and then you get to apply it it's a must like yeah i'd always tell any person straight out of uni you just go and work in industry before you do your own thing yeah um yeah like i did seven years working for other people before us before we kind of even thought about starting a business yeah um it's super super valuable yeah that's what's cool it's really cool to see parallels from your

industry which is separate to ours but exactly the same lessons and stuff like i get asked all the time when did you know it was the right time to open a gym and you've kind of got two sides you've got well you never really know it's the right time so you just got to pull the trigger and do it but at the same time i had we had five or six years of coaching experience and working for other people and we'd been to uni and we'd done we kind of had the runs on the board

to be able to do it what did you do at uni did you study any business or anything like that no yeah um it's just kind of yeah exactly exactly no like we did like excels sports science and i went on and did a year of a masters of exiles physiology but no business units in any of that it was really just mentors and surrounding myself with people that had done it before or had enjoyed that side of the business yeah i do i do i enjoy like it all comes back to building something like

i enjoy building a team and and like management now like the hardest part of my job is coaching is the easiest part like it's just with your clients or with the group for an hour but the hardest part is trying to balance it all and figure out how you how you deal with your team and paying the bills and and doing all the accounting stuff day-to-day stuff's the easiest yeah to do like yeah the actual business part like what your what your business does to make money is the easiest part to do yeah it's the

other stuff behind the scenes it is all the stuff that you don't get like you don't get paid for and you know exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's all that and i guess it's just an accumulation of of uh like learning about how to do it and how to do it best like when we started we had no fucking clue what we were doing and we still don't to a point like yeah like i'm still we still wing it day to day but putting the right people in place to help with things like accounting

and marketing and advertising and and the business stuff like i've still got like some of the mentors i started with i don't necessarily hang out with anymore i spend time with anymore but kind of putting new people in in front of me to talk to about and um and i'll show you guys exactly the same being having a business coach and things like that and talking to other people in the industry and that's one of the biggest things i've learned from i guess doing this podcast is people across all different industries deal with the same

problems so yeah i've tried to put people in front of me that aren't necessarily in my industry because they'll give me different insight to coaches and things like that yeah especially like i don't know like now especially the fitness industry is really booming and there's so much shit out there in terms of fake information where it seems so obvious it's fake but people still buy into it yeah yeah yeah it's you guys are surrounded by even probably more so like don't like sure you got like fake brands and things like that you guys have like

legitimately there's people out there some fake plans and stuff that could probably demise someone's health or yeah yeah and i but it's at the end of the day like you've got to take a really diplomatic approach with it all because there's from a nutrition from a training from a every like from a health point of view there's so many different ways to do the same thing or to get a similar result so there's like what we try and implement in here is we try and take every idea on its merits and and we try and

go you know there's things like crossfit and f45 and endurance training and strength training and powerlifting and sport specific training there's a thousand different things and you know if you go to diets the same thing there's paleo there's low carb high fat there's um there's gluten free there's vegan there's a thousand different things but everyone's different so everyone deals with it differently so when it comes to what's the best way there is no best way it's what's right for this person but it's also what's right for this person at a certain time so a lot

of people in our industry get stuck in there this is the best way but as the more i learn the more we kind of grow as a business you realize that there's thousands of ways to skin a cat there's each different ways to do the same thing and it's the sooner we start i guess collaborating and using each other's ideas rather than just button heads against each other like happens in our industry it's yeah that'll be when we start improving more and start actually growing but um we've got to put our egos aside for that

to happen and yeah it's a very egotistical industry fitness industry so but like all we're trying to do is create a space and a brand where people want to come and hang out and get better and enjoy themselves and improve and yeah i think that's one of the things you guys do best like i mean we're definitely not guys that you would typically find in a gym i suppose but like when we started when we when i moved down full time yeah yeah yeah we'll be on is that happening i'm saying next two years it'll

happen that's a goal that's a goal that's awesome i was gonna ask you just for on the health topic you've been in the health and fitness industry interested in it for how long since what you put in like year 10 or yeah i probably would have started training myself i was playing footy and running i started running when i was like 10 or 9 or something like that and footy since i was seven what's the what's the craziest like diet fad that you've done is there anything that i've done have you done something gnarly like

all you did was eat like dirt the earthworm diet now like i've i've tried a lot of things and i one of my favorite quotes is you can't give what you haven't got you can't share what you haven't experienced so if you if you haven't tried something or at least um had a go at something then you can't really say whether it's good or bad yeah but yeah i haven't done anything stupid um i tried to be vegan for about three hours and i couldn't do it no i don't really have any anything crazy like

i've tried things like uh intermittent fasting and not eating for a period of time and how long have you been fasted for uh i've done i tried to do 36 hours once but like the all the a lot of the information coming out around fasting is how beneficial it is so it's something that i might you know outside again depends on context so yeah it's something that during footy season i keep myself pretty pretty consistent with what i'm eating and what i'm putting in my body and stuff like that but um i just like i

try and try everything and and see how it goes um i've got a few ideas and little um diets and and things i want to try when footy season's finished yeah um a couple around fasting and only having like a certain window where i where i eat throughout the day and things like that but yeah no i don't have any crazy ones unfortunately um yeah i like food too much yeah yeah and i like i like eating a lot of different foods brown sugar hey two months well months how strict are you i'm putting sugar

there is a beer actually let's check the sugar levels on this yep less than two percent so i'm going on a lesson yeah exactly i i started it and then i realized how hard yes everything has got sugar in it yeah but um yeah i'm just i'm i've kind of i've compromised because i realize i'm never going to succeed if i don't compromise yeah yeah yeah the way i kind of look at all those fads and things like that is anything that's not sustainable isn't going to work yeah it's got to be something that and

as soon as you go to any extreme whether it be no sugar or no fat or no none of this then then it's not going to be sustainable and the big thing that we kind of push in here is there's not one way to do it like i've said but if you want sustainable long-term positive behavioral change you've got to find something that you love to do and that you're happy to do and that you enjoy doing because if you don't do that then you're just going to be going around in circles that's why people

are going to die and that's why people go hey i can lose this amount of weight in three weeks yeah and they lose the weight and then you look at them six months down the track and they're in a worse position because it's not something that's they want that they can do and it's not something they can sustain um but yeah i've been only doing i've only been doing it for a week now and one of the best habits that i've picked up from that is just reading what's in food like and that's something i

never did like i never i've never really cared about what i eat or you know to an extent but now i go and everything i'm looking at it and yeah at least you're educating me a little yeah mindful about what you're putting in your body and then that's like as a fitness professional or health professional or coach or however you want to look at it we like we chose this as a job so we like we love this a little bit more than most people yeah um so we're probably a little bit more knowledgeable than

most people and we forget how simple things aren't understood by the water population as well like everyone goes for that quick fix or the the super diet but we know that if it's not sustainable it's not going to happen it's not going to work it's not going to happen so it's just a matter of us trying to educate the water population about how that is and yeah all that that's just communication and talking to people and but you've got actually what i'm learning like yeah um how old are you now 42 35 22 i'm still

in my 20s a bit like you've only started looking at like what's in the food now yeah yeah there's so many everyone's a different level so that's what we're trying to like like i said create a space where we've got lots of different health professionals who are all kind of positive around how people want to change things like that yeah out of the three of you who's the best at noughts and crosses oh already proven yeah it's on prisso's leg well ask ask trisso oh it is stein stein's best waltz right now tell me tell

me the story because my i was just flicking through instagram and sitting here one night waiting for the next client and someone's leg and a tattoo gun popped up well trisso anything you suggest to trisso about tattooing on him he will always just say yeah no worries let's do it and that's kind of just what happened hey yeah we're all tattooing all tattooing we had kate in the old backpack doing some stick and poke um she's a professional tattooist um so she was doing some real tattoos and then she did a killer job on everyone's

legs trisso turns up with his uh internet board tattoo machine $50 unsterilized spits on it and um i remember i remember seeing was like oh i'm gonna tell him myself and he'd never tattooed himself before and he and you hear that you hear the uh machine going and it's like he he was going so hard the machine was like and it just stopped and then he's like i'll be dead and then pulled out me it's like when you're like your toothbrush press the answer ah but then yeah um i said let's have a game of

naughts and crosses to trisso we'll flick a coin to see whose canvas we use that's so and he lost yeah um so the first battle wasn't in him so there's going to be three battles so we're going to have another game where we flip the coin again trisso trisso was saying he hadn't played naughts and crosses since he was like eight and it showed him that he's general mind tricked him immediately the guys got sprayed through his head and he still didn't realize he lost i was sitting there watching instagram live going no don't don't

don't don't well the final like so there's gonna be another round we're gonna have to flick a coin again and then the finals on tommy turtleneck bottom oh really yeah yeah yeah holy shit what a man well yeah he's gonna go here a lot yeah he's he's uh he's been taking some photos and turtle and hanging out and doing some training he's killing it he's a very hard-working man yeah i think it seems to be in all aspects as well he's tricked us he's tricked everyone into thinking we think he is yeah it's working no

he's a great man he's uh yeah he's been filling me with random coffees for the last yeah last six weeks he's been shooting our stuff for a while he always yeah we always get a bunch of photos every range normally he does a shoot for us and always happy yeah yeah we did a quick uh a quick little photo shoot essay for our for our shoppers fire cam or oh we're gonna oh one of them will pick one of the one of those online platforms what was this saucy photo of you and cam that i

saw oh yeah i would have loved that photo with stonzy no we we got uh we got some team photos done maybe six seven weeks ago yeah a couple months ago now um just to chuck because we're getting a website done and all that kind of thing and we got team photos and and uh it was at a studio gary bradshaw um gray man local guy first time he's ever shot man on man yeah i'll probably not but we've got all our team photos done and then there was a there's a nice uh nice winter

rug on top of a box so i laid on there and just gave my best pose and then cam came and laid on top of me and we got some nice photos yeah i wouldn't call them nice man yeah i might have i might have to get them uh the photography is nice but yeah how much editing went into that oh probably a lot actually there's one like my because i'm upside down like head back my head's all red you can see all the veins popping out of my neck so it wasn't ideal it wasn't

ideal but trick is just to whenever we get a photoshoot not to be in it surely when you do some advertising that's gonna go on a billboard somewhere if you have a camera there then you get like a finger like the next thing you're like yeah when we get big enough when we get big enough i'll uh we'll do viral marketing like guerrilla marketing yeah we'll do some pay stuffs around one yeah well that's the thing like i love doing stuff like that because it shows that we're not taking ourselves too seriously like because the

perception of most gyms is dudes in front of a mirror straight into the mirror it's just this is how it is and like all people walk into our gym we go oh this is different and that's what we wanted to create wanted to create a space that was different and you guys have been a big help with that with the uh the drawings on the on the wall yeah just put a caveman on there which is which is super cool yeah you have to go i remember this from science yeah i remember when we first

asked you guys to do the mural you guys kind of just did what you thought a gym was and it was all like was treadmill and water bottles and stuff we're like oh yeah we're gonna be different yeah um so we i think i think we just drew terrible drawings and gave them to you and like see what you can do with it and you made some awesome stuff like steezy d gotta gotta mention oh yeah yeah well we kind of like when he sent those drawings like those that brief through we were kind of

like oh yeah this is our vibe yeah it's a little bit different so we've got the t-rex now and the stick saw and some t flex um but yeah so tommy t took a took a few photos yesterday of all the merch so we'll plug that up soon which would be cool your uh the t flex drawing you did yeah the t was probably my favorite one so far now i have to get a now i have to get a cape around and you guys are you see that everywhere you guys do more motion let's

start stopping some vertice merch in the stakeholder yeah i see some kind of exchange that might be a contra though we won't stock ours in here yeah half the people here are our customers anyway that's the thing like everyone here either wears snake hole or vertice all kind of folk and just like that's all that's it they're all the clothes i've got yeah yeah yeah yeah which is nice yeah one of the three i'm in trouble i want to play i must be playing 40 if i'm not wearing yeah that's true yeah i'm not even

sponsored a football team so imagine that the only fashion label sponsoring the football team that'd be cool really cool what else do you guys do for fun surf surfing yeah i suppose we all grew up around the water surfing and skating yeah snowboarding drink beer on tuesday nights at our meetings yeah you say meetings it's a very loose yeah yeah it's a very very loose term hard to get past the wife i started out i started boxing a couple weeks ago how's that going to do yeah awesome yeah it's cool because i i taught i

suppose i actually when we first met you i taught my acr yeah playing basketball and um i after i got that repaired i was kind of worried about i went back and played a couple games but i was really hesitant about jumping and landing on it yeah then i felt like a couple times like direction changes really harsh direction changes i could feel it just didn't feel right just didn't feel right trust it so i don't risk it so i was like oh that's cool like oh you know i'm i'm up in the city a

lot of i live up in the city so i'm up there a bit and like i'm not playing basketball and you know i'm down here a couple days i was like man i'm trying to do something good something competitive or something fun yeah yeah so i don't know there's this gym up the road that had free um boxing trials so i tried that a few weeks ago it's been awesome loving it yeah sick so i've never been so exhausted you guys did that yeah prowler challenge and i almost threw up outside that was a bit

of a baptism of fire yeah that was insane you're throwing straight in yeah but yes i'm coming into that at the moment good which is pretty good and then just surfing though we're all awesome tell me about tell me about your bucks i've been told to ask you about bucks oh man you probably don't remember it correct you don't remember your box that well my box is the worst time of my life and the best best time for everyone else that was amazing but it was pretty stein's too yeah i would have been cool yeah

seriously although stein's you probably would have drunk me under the table too yeah because you would have i don't know who knows what style i would have been doing it on the side of the road with him well the bucks started actually it was actually typical typical meatballs fashion where frazz um one of our good mates frazz organized it all yeah and i i was in the snack hole working and the boys actually surprised me a week early so i was in there working and i had the roller doors up and i was just kind

of it was really quiet working away and um i just hear this like roar of blokes and i was i was kind of just sitting there going what is like it was just like that's really faint kind of sound and they were at the top of the driveway and they just started running down i hear these fans get louder and louder and i was like whoa all these boys just ran in like we're going under your box and i was like boys it's you've you've got the wrong day like you're a week earlier frazz was

like nah we're going so they kidnapped me and frazz was keeping it secret from me for ages of where we were going and done all this organizing and we get to the car they dressed me up in all this like fubu and added ass yeah before before it was cool like now this is like when it wasn't cool yeah i was like yeah and then so meatballs typical was just like just completely spoiled the surprise i was like all right so we'll meet you guys over at lawn and frazz was like dude what are you

doing and he's like oh damn so basically the boys just fed me beers the whole way there and then i just i had so many beers i had to go get out and go to the toilet and um i was on the side of the road where the zoo on the highway there and i was i was i was going to the toilet and i turned around the last thing i saw was just the wheels spinning and the boys had just shot off and i was like oh you guys you know it was like ah

they'll be back and i was just kind of sitting there like i to paint the picture i had like like these big baggy fubu jeans you had like size 44 jeans yeah yeah like these reebok picks probably more than 28 yeah exactly and then he had like a chick's polo shirt it was like a tight like kind of abacrombie and fitch kind of style like so good and then a dewalt hat um like a tradie hat um yeah so so i kind of i was just sitting there going oh look they're going to be coming

back soon so i was just like watching the other side of the road like waiting for the car to come back and i was like oh well i think i'm going to be here for a while i've miraculously found like a um a camping chair so it had kind of like a bum leg and i was kind of sitting on it just on the side of the road just watching the cars go past and everyone started tooting me and i was just like giving the thumbs up and i was like yeah boys we come back

like probably about an hour later i was kind of like yeah all right they're not coming back an hour and then so that was the first hour and then so i'm going through my hair i didn't have a phone or anything it was pretty hot too like i was middle of summer right in the sun and i was like all right well i know there's a bunch of boys coming after work this was at about 11 o'clock in the morning and i was like so the boys are knocking off at five and they're going to

be coming through i'm guessing i'm going to be here till then and um and i was just like all right cool um and then all of a sudden no yeah this lady pulled up she must have been pulling over for some reason i don't know why she pulled up on the side right and i thought it's one of the boys coming to pick me up so i just like jumped up and she was in her car and just looked to the side and saw me and just freaked out and burned off and then um fraser's

brother rocked up i probably would have been two and a half three hours later and picked me up and had a slab in the car waiting for me and got me back on the beers and the boys were all surfing and i tried my best to go surfing but i was just yeah and that wasn't even the worst of it it was oh man the one part that i'll say and that no i thought was hilarious it still stuck in my head is um he was by this point god knows how much he drank and

he was in the kitchen and we and we um duct taped his whole body up so like he was like a mummy but he could still just up to his knees so we could walk and we took him out i don't know i remember i was pretty drunk as well but he was spinning around and then he just dropped to the ground and he and he kind of like borderline passing out for some reason for the last hour all he could say was dewalt which is that happening he gave him he said go dewalt dewalt

anyway outside of this paddock and he's lying on the ground duct taped up sweating covered in beer and he was lying on the paddock and there was a footy next to him i was putting a footy under his head and i think he thought he was in bed and he's looking he goes thanks man i was so grateful for that foot wall yeah yeah a bit of rough truth i remember the next morning coming to get you in the bed um take you back out and we just you've had enough you just covered in sweat

i went from sweats to like on the couch in a doona shivering like it was bad times and i walked out everyone was having barbecue in the morning and i literally could i didn't have any expression to give i had nothing else to give and i was just yeah it was cooked it was a good time like yeah we backed it up the next night it sounds like it and i the whole time i was thinking i'm gonna do this again tonight yeah and i think it's our people's has got it coming yeah it's one

of our products yeah yeah yeah yeah i can get um production done really quickly if i work my charm on our production manager in time i was convinced i'm gonna marry her one day that's the best thing about uh having a box early you're done like yeah all the boys are coming up and you've got all the ideas yeah it was good time have you have you had any payback yet or are you just planning to look one of our mates he got done worse than i did he was yeah he kind of brought it

on himself though he invited 30 of his mates so yeah that was he he got so i would have filled a soccer ball up with concrete and chained to his foot for like three days that's good carry that around all the time but like the venue they were at like because he was just holding the ball chain he just kept dropping on the ground so like wooden floorboards yeah that's not ideal no your box has to come up to some point now we're a long time away from that we're with kp and i still pretty

fresh so well time will come mate all right i'll get a couple of questions for you guys you can go as long or as short with these answers you want if you and i've stolen this from something you guys mentioned before if you could have anything on a billboard what would it be one at a time cool what would it be definitely not a photo of me at my box good one that's a tough that's a tricky question really tricky question there's so many opportunities neon cobra neon cobra um man under the pump um radio

silence yeah i'm i'm drawing flags can we come back to this one no i don't know i don't know where to be yeah everyone's probably zoned out by now anyway you said you'd know where it would be no i've got nowhere to be oh okay um what what kind of photos do the best on instagram just hopeless romantic clip yeah great marketing plan maybe you'll land a blanchard in a i don't know it's a good question maybe you can doing yeah that'd be good maybe just wearing snow cold socks that's it yeah you've you've done

a few shots on mountains yeah that'll need a third sock just for something behind with the uh with the new photos just just so i don't have to bring the extra sock but we've done it yeah i don't think you need one yeah especially i think the last one was on top of a glacier in uh in new zealand so i don't think i'll need absolutely well we'll definitely get a few when we go to south america next year we don't do it yeah top of matcha pitchy i'm sure i'm sure we'll find a couple

yeah you come away from hurricane's next year yeah we'll find james going away for like six weeks the other one's like six weeks you guys coming yeah we might have that there that'd be not bad open invitation next question getting back and forth security yeah oh mate as long as he sorts out his visa this time i'm like freaking canada what's your plans um i don't know you got no money just gonna wing it all right anyway next question what is success to you all three for me it's all three of us full-time working in

the business yeah happiness happiness in the lifestyle yeah it's more lifestyle for us yeah like it which yeah it's good that we're all got the same vision for that but um yeah 100 that's it that's a goal from the start yeah what needs to happen between now and you guys going full-time all of your fair deal stuff we've got yeah we've got a long way to go just growth yeah growth um or just gradually becoming better businessmen i think just like once we do we get to that point i think we'll be able to take

it heaps further as well just because we'll have the time to work on it yeah at the moment is you know we've got like a small percentage of our time is taken up on snack hole but it's getting it's getting more and more and more yeah and then mistakes are getting made because the time we are working on it is can be at one in the morning yeah we're so tired yeah right now that we're miscounting something or yeah we're doing a stock take that we've already done like we're just double handling stuff yeah we're

so with customs yeah customs issues almost set up on border control yeah yeah will the snake hole get any bigger will you will any more people join or are you happy with through the track we probably look at we already are like freelancing people yeah cool um and that's probably what we'll do more because i think more heads fresh fresh ideas new perspectives again like some photographers shooting a certain style you know sometimes you've got to go outside the realm yeah to get a different style using models you don't have the same models all the

time start looking stagnant you know not refreshing so and with artwork too we've looked elsewhere for some artwork and let's go looking at some freelance artists as well so there's always possibilities of of multiple avenues and hopefully one day we have a base here that's got a warehouse it's got a ship it's got its own shop front and we will have more familiar faces as part of the public business but as in the brand itself i think if we can keep it the three we'll keep the three down as you know as long as you

can the owners for sure and then we'll look at definitely having other people come involved awesome awesome definitely be a cool place to work i want to do something over like for us our next for the next two years the big goal for us is trying to crack the international market yeah yeah the australia market's so small yeah um in terms of fashion and you know the amount of reach yeah rich so the big thing for us is trying to get a foot into you know the states european market um that kind of thing for

us is going to be crucial in our growth asia for sure as well sure yeah yeah that's a big one for us just trying to find distributors and even as close as new zealand like i said before there's been so many interest online from new zealand a lot of love from new zealand that's good but then yes looking at different distributors in each country yes so we can ship it all to one location in the next dispersers right this route yeah otherwise it just gets too tough if they're going to act as a sales agent

yeah and we're setting it from here just yeah boom that's right cool really cool if each of you could give teenage you one piece of advice what would it be tinder i don't know where this is going to go oh geez this is a really interesting question to have i like to hear stein's is one is the elder amongst the group yeah yeah you did grow up in a different decade to us man the elder of the group of that it's 22 i thought you were the youngest um just to show us oh wow you're

running the hard questions man yeah these are good questions though all right do i wish for me i'd be i wish that like obviously i want to change much about the brand and our development stuff right i'd be like now to be cool knowing what we're doing doing what we're doing we're going to do this at like 20 years old what could have happened yeah we still had to obviously we had to learn you know you know be nurtured by the creators and stuff like that but i'm like man it would be so sick if

you could start this yeah have so much so much extra time yeah but that at the same time that that could have detrimental exactly yeah everything's awesome yeah but yeah i mean there's a lot of kids doing this at 20 21 and they've got so much time yeah and that's a massive plus um you know although we we you know we were able to kind of you know have a bit of fun you're not over the hill yet yeah exactly 100 like we're still super young yeah that's cool um yeah what about you stones i

would be probably just to travel more like i traveled a bunch but it was to the same locations it was like gold ghost it was sydney and it was barley yeah like it was just like so regimented that every year you kind of went to the same places yeah you know so many places that are so close like japan or new zealand even like i've never been to these places they're amazing yeah it's just as easy to go there than what it was to go snowboard when you guys yeah oh man i tried to get

you in i wish i did that earlier i think i think i probably would have changed a lot of what i think if i started snowboarding i would have done like doing seasons it like yeah and stuff yeah that was one of those sports where as soon as i did it one time i was just so hooked on it yeah completely yeah yeah you guys always just try to get me to go up and i was like oh i'm just gonna stay and surf yeah yeah yeah yeah we almost gave up on you i'm pretty

similar to cam like i always had a kind of a big a big trip to europe or something south america planned and i never ended up doing it i think just work got in the way and that's one thing that that's why we pulled the trigger because like james and i were having that conversation and we're just like we don't do it we won't yeah and i guess there's no reason why you can't do it now it's a little bit harder just with commitment yeah and it is really only like playing away right yeah and

no not at all like oh it's too expensive it's too long but when you actually pull the trigger and do it yeah yeah you find a way to make the money um yeah i've used my like my pack my like my travel pack is like a little bit of motivation because i've i've sown all the different countries i've been to on it so now i'm like just just a little like a little thing in my head i'm just like i want i want to fill that pack like a little little bit i want more i

want to try more places so you think about where should we go on holiday next you know we've already done all this do we need to go again and now i want to experience those different parts of the world yeah and it can be so good for like refreshing yourself and coming back from your attitude that's what i found when i was in europe i was away for three months last year and the whole time over there i was so hungry to get back here and work on the label and i had so many ideas

and i was skyping you guys and you know i was drawing and designing and there's nothing else for me to do except think it like obviously enjoy myself over there but think about stuff that i wanted to improve on when i got back it's a really good time to reflect you get stuck in your bubble when you when you stay in the same spot for a lot of time like travel just kind of opens it up and makes you think about things a little bit differently yeah it's like i've done a lot but i've done

it i've done a few different countries and it just kind of it like i said reinvigorate you and get you ready to to kind of get moving yeah super hungry would you ever open another gym good question uh probably not i think the thing that makes this place special is the people and the community and the and like the vibe that is created by everyone that comes in here so another gym no but i guess where where i want to take vertice where we want to take vertice is probably just bigger yeah finding that like

obviously there's a ceiling to how big we get it when it before it turns into one of just another stock standard yeah it's actually like you might not have a choice yeah yeah so there's like there's a limit of how big i want it to be because i still want to have that community family feel yeah just extend up yeah you're just confused eventually yeah yeah he's got a higher one on the top floor the top floor is like an open view yeah it's amazing you should be like why put them in the out of

um out of dodgeball we're better than you and we do it i guess yeah i like at the moment because we've got like physio and myo and dietitian and things like that and we're kind of starting to tick a few of the boxes in terms of like health and performance and things like that but like end goal there's no end goal but i'd love to have that whole continuum of health serviced in the one facility um so that you've got different professionals talking to different professionals and it's not just you know your doctor deals with

yourself and then you guys see a physio and they don't talk to each other i want that one facility where everyone talks to each other and everyone can help each other grow and learn things like that but yeah yeah another gym probably not maybe bigger but who knows yeah it's one of those things like i try not to look too far ahead just i set 12 month goals and share with the team and so we've kind of got all got something to head towards but is it hard like we're like we have three of us

running the business is it set like open it like fuck imagine one of us doing all of all this now i think that all the time yeah like fuck i i yeah you'd have to put everything into it like you you couldn't be doing something else on the side or yeah i suppose yeah yeah yeah it's hard it's hard but i was very fortunate to have had jesse for the first 12 months yeah and obviously like the time before that when we were planning for it and like since since he he moved on it's um

i've just been really mindful about making sure that i surround myself with the right mentors and the right people and stuff like that and like yeah it's it's by no means like the the loki showing him like at all because there's you know there's cam there's mitch there's maddie like we've got a massive team maddie maddie katie i better not miss anyone ash who have i missed greg did i say mitch yeah mitch is all right yeah yeah same mystery times he'll love it um but like and mum now we got coupon and like now

i'm finally getting to the point where if you asked me six months ago if i could go away for six weeks i would have said not a chance in the world yeah but now like having booked that holiday i'm at a stage where i can go you know what i can leave the team here without me and know that the business isn't just going to survive but it's going to keep growing and prospering yeah and i guess one of the little um piece of advice i heard off a podcast was if you if you're running

your own business and you actually go away it makes you put people in in spots to to keep it going rather than just kind of trying to do everything yourself so i think yeah doing doing myself i don't do it myself it's definitely the big team effort yeah and i've just been lucky enough to surround myself with awesome people yeah um who can help me help me drive it yeah that's true next one who are your biggest influences wow um um i would say the two blokes next to me good um i think our team

like we kind of we're all got the same dream and the same end goal yeah um and that's to spend more time together which is kind of weird like you work together but you got it yeah and we you know it's that it's family it's you know lifestyle that's awesome yeah so i would say that other than that i've got different influences for different parts say art or surfing creatively or as a working distance i've got some mentors like chris chong or dane brown guys that i learned a lot of that would be legends yeah

that i've had yeah yeah yeah i mean we look up to a lot of those guys don't we we work with them pretty closely um like from barry too yeah yeah it's amazing to be able to work alongside you know these these kind of people and everyone's got the same end goal really and a lot of a lot of knowledge to be dropped and you know like we've learned so much so so much from those kind of guys i'd be pretty similar in terms of influences since like we started you know taking the snake really

seriously you know a couple years ago i really just look at up and really look up to anyone who is running who's able to run a successful business themselves themselves looking looking back now like what my my mum had a shop and a business for 30 years in mornington in retail so i was like oh shit if i made that work for 30 years like in retail especially you know when 2000 and you know 2008 or whatever when retail was in trouble yeah like anyone who made it through that that period yeah it's pretty inspirational

a lot of a lot of stuff behind the scenes you probably don't see yeah that's that's one of the things with all the businesses around here like you never you see the finished product and you see like what people want you to see yeah exactly you don't see all the hard work and all the extra hours and and like we see your clothing ranges and like we love it we buy lots of it i actually need to get a little bit more don't talk to me but we don't see the 2 am meeting finishes yeah

and the you know the lack of sleep and the constant hours trying to sort out your warehouse and stuff like that and it's super inspiring for us to have guys like you and common folk so close yeah and like it's really good to have other people in the same position as well yeah that's obviously why we all get along so well and we're all in the same yeah definitely it's really cool like it's amazing to have that little community of people around us yeah yeah it's a it's a pretty rad part of the world this

is probably the hardest question from i've asked this probably most mostly i think i've done it on every podcast and everyone goes oh shit and you can take whatever you want what's the nicest thing you've ever done for someone well the other day i um i flew to sydney and there was this lady that had a bag that was um oh carry on yeah and it was way too heavy for her and she struggled to get it out and i seen a guy up further half help her but didn't she could like couldn't walk that

well she was an elderly lady and so i grabbed her bag i sort of squeezed up pushed through and was like excuse me i'm gonna take your bag for you she's like no no no i'm taking your bag for you that's fine awesome and it was pouring rain out so i had to go into the tarmac to then go into the thing and she's like put it down it's got wheels i'm like you know i'm not gonna wheel your bag through the wall you know you carry it all away and she was like look on

her face she's like no one does that like you could see her looking up and down i had a t-shirt on i was covered in tattoos and she's like oh she was more intimidated but you know it was just one of those things i wanted to you know i see those kind of options you have those options every day yeah people carrying groceries to a car or they can't get their kids it's just like those simple things i just want to do something every day yeah yeah and go check out snakehole.com every time you do

something nice just stick a bomb yeah it's amazing how good that feels for you as well to do something like that yeah yeah cool yeah the one that i can think of most recently is i it's you know someone's car broke down at the intersection i did the um i stopped behind them and helped them push the car off the road you know and everyone's just driving past i was driving straight and i saw that was stuck i saw it was a couple of chicks maybe that wasn't an accident um they were much too old

for me no i i drove i drove in the corner i was like i was like oh if i don't stop i'm gonna feel real bad yeah and then as soon as you do it you're like man i'm so glad i did that and then as soon as it's with that kind of thing too it's funny like as soon as you stop and run across the road all of a sudden like three after all over it everyone's oh it's okay to help yeah yeah yeah it's awesome seeing those like you drive you know driving on

the scene something like that happened like everyone helping each other out keep talking i'm taking a piss you better answer answer really well this is new for me i'm gonna hear something first time actually same last thing uh yeah i mean i probably one that comes to mind is i was doing a mural one day um up in the city and there was a homeless dude there and he kind of looked like it wasn't he didn't look like a regular homeless dude like a you know a lot of homeless guys have like maybe been an

alcoholic or drives or something and you don't want to kind of give them any cash because you think they're just going to spend it on booze get drunk but this guy was just like really young and you just kind of didn't it didn't look like right and so i stopped put one down my window and i was like hey man what's up what what's your situation man you talk to me yeah yeah i just said i just i was just like you know what's the situation what what how did you get yourself to think about

yourself yeah yeah yeah um and like it's a bit intimidating even doing that so i'm like um but yeah i just kind of started chatting to him and he he was he was from overseas and he um he basically had come here to do uni and he'd run out of money and he didn't have a um on the street didn't have a house or anything and he was trying to get an education and i was like oh man that's crazy and he um i i was like mate can i help you out i gave him

20 bucks and um he jumped up it was wet it was raining he jumped up to come over to the car and he didn't have any shoes on and he's like man i've been trying to save up to get a pair of shoes for weeks and weeks and weeks and he's like i can finally buy a pair of shoes now and that was pretty amazing feeling seeing that um yeah so good that's a very similar story to that yeah um not because of me he's bonkers um you don't know bonkers like he's my housemate lucas

properly shout him um powerful shout out to um similar homeless story but he's has like a more comedic twist to it that's everything that lucas does yeah yeah he was walking into the supermarket he saw a dude out front um who was you know being as well and he thought you know i'm gonna go in there buy a few of his pieces in the supermarket drop him drop him out a few you know pick him up so he's gonna went in there he said you know bought him like a gatorade a stack of bananas and

um and then and something else like bag of um chips or crackers or something like that went out there the bag goes you guys cool hey do you have any money what did you say he's like no i just spent it all you literally want to grab it back up yeah i know so i made it behind the service station the other day and um there was a guy that was homeless at the front of the service station and um so he went in and paid for his fuel and paid for everything and got a

bottle of water and it was one of those deals to get to and it was the same thing can have two mars bars so he got himself a mars bar and a bottle of water and an extra one to give to this guy yeah gives it to this guy at the front of the petrol station cops back into his car and as he's about to drive up the guy runs up to the car and goes mate i stole your phone and was like oh here's your phone back no way that's come on hey wow and

he goes you should always lock the car left someone um have you had the question reversed nah not yet i don't know i try and i guess it's accumulation of just trying to do nice things every day um but um one of the things that um jesse and i speak about when we started is we wanted to do one charity event every year um we did a we did a nice comp cancer and did the right cancer and we raised i think we as a team we raised like 20 grand and last year for our

first birthday party we did a fundraiser for ry Johnson who brooke and reese you guys all know yeah that was awesome that was such a yeah that was a fun night so so we managed to raise a big chunk of money for the next one uh the net was october 20 october 28th we'll do exactly the same thing we'll uh we'll tweak the trivia night a little bit so it doesn't run so long but have a table face yeah but yeah so i guess you know as a we've got a platform now that we're able

to help people so i want to keep making sure that every year we make it a little bit bigger and a little bit better and hopefully raise a little bit more money for whatever we decide to raise money for but yeah we'll be doing the same thing for rise it's all right this year it's good it's a good way to meet a lot of people too that you've seen around the gym too yeah yeah so that'll be that'll be october 28th so make sure your boys are available there's beers around there will be beers um

so yeah you've had ten beers there's still a couple in there next one kills me what's the last book you read and what and what did you learn from it you criminal life man i'm gonna have a toilet break on this one oh yeah yeah granny may read the same one that listed the same one then the um four hour work week yeah good what would you learn from it be um be productive not active yeah huge that was huge to me like the amount of time i realized that i spent answering emails and stuff

and i could clump all those tasks and you know i'd get i'd be halfway through a project and i'll come through and stop the project and jump on and start answering that email or just like just turn off just turn your emails and only looking twice a day was huge yeah um yeah because there's a big difference between active and productive you know i feel like you're running around doing all this things at the end of the day yeah holy shit i'm so busy and you've actually done that yeah yeah so that was definitely a

big one for me learning that and learning to you know stay on task don't get taken off task which is something i did a lot because i'll be like oh man just realized i've got to pay that bill or something like that and then getting back in momentum getting back in the flow can be really really tricky yeah so yeah that's probably have you read that book i listen to it certainly have yeah yeah you're a small business owner of course yeah yeah tim ferris is definitely a wealth of information and someone of like podcasts

and and books and things like that has he been running a couple times i think yeah um so i think you're still on apart from your kids books yeah i'm just reading kids books these days what's your favorite um oh yeah what's my favorite kid's book where did i come from story checks out of course it is i've gotta ask what'd you learn from it stone's his favorite book is uh where did i come from how to make a baby and i made two well done very good very very good all right a couple of

favorites and i want the first thing that comes into your head and we'll just go i'll point to one of you first one favorite quote oh not a big quote man um yeah i'm gonna ask you in a second i'm not you've all got to answer each one of these oh okay got you i would go read one off your wall man tommy t's one from today yeah what was tommy's t's one tommy t man of many words yeah nothing can't be improved that is a good one that's my favorite you're looking for a rock

to pull yourself out of that stonzy favorite quote this is a tough question because i have them i just can't think of them when you've been put on the spot but make one up give me give us some stonzy wisdom there's now there's one i've heard and it's quite fitting it's just keep living good yeah i don't know who invented it or started it but just keep living really good um okay yeah i thought you would have people yeah i thought i would too as soon as you uh ideas of shit executions again good good

i read one of your one of your uh interviews yeah so many people have ideas good that doesn't mean anything until yeah favorite movie oh favorite movie would be anchorman is a good favorite and i recycle our quotes in our descriptions of garment descriptions so if anything that sounds a bit weird it's probably not my original quote that or yeah good training day oh you stole my man balls are very big basically twins so same name same haircut when i met you same birthday same birthday same job are you the same job same no actually

pretty much every one of us he went and did a um diploma in design so i'm like well fuck it i'm gonna get caught with it i get a call from meatballs like he's up in biron so i'm underage for schoolies yeah so you followed my schoolies as well because i went to biron as well so um but yeah i get a call from meatballs and he's like brennan i'm so sorry man i'm in a bush i've just been um i'm getting chased by the police um they've got your id they've got your id and

i'm like oh what happened man he's like oh so i went to i went to um where was it i went to get into some pub a bar or something and he's like i gave him your id and the guy basically said this isn't you uh called the cops on him he's like by the way there's a six grand fine and then you just sprinted well the cops arrived and i was bolted so you're a felon there's no way i'm paying six grand and yeah so i'm fine yeah i i i was like super paranoid

they were chasing me and i jumped into the bushes i called brown like bro you felt so bad yeah i thought he was gonna get in shit there's nothing i've never had did you get your id back nah i just left it it was i just got i thought you ran you got it back in the mail did they ring it i don't think so no i've never got um called or anything about it but um it was funny so you were packing oh so scared um that i'm like now i'm like there's fine for

this i'm like now i've run from the cops as well just just preparing yourself for a lot yeah yeah yeah i'm like just in jail thanks to the mass murderers going to school is three beers for my mates favorite recording artist oh dang is that me first um all right uh probably biggie smalls or capital steve's or this is tough or um outcast good good um probably shabazz palaces oh yeah um you'll have to introduce me uh just really awesome um experimental hip-hop cool they had a band in the 90s called diggable planets which are

dope and um and then they kind of started this new thing um a few years later um and probably no-name i'll into some no-name cool playing to meredith this year which i did not get tickets to and i'm pretty bummed about but hopefully i won't pay big bucks i will take a donation hopefully she's doing three tickets if you can see three people in concert they could all come here and play it with the next fundraiser oh uh i'm good like drops of juniper now i'd probably voila dead or dead what's that dead and alive

you didn't have to introduce them no as in do they have to be a lot that's a pretty sweet name for a young band probably queen anyone anyone with pretty mercury yeah probably flea wood mac and then and then uh probably spectral fires and starting fires so shout out to uh butters and jack jeffrey who both yeah two boys they've done a gig at the snow cold have they which one both what spectra yeah i'd like to have seen um james's old man oh i see yeah i think he'd be very happy the front man

i don't know what did he do next one favorite resource for new information i am a mad youtube fan yeah i love youtube like i'll sit on youtube forever yes just go down i like there's a there's a website called best of youtube and it's just random random information vortex that thing yeah i just got that telstra tv thing it's got like youtube on the tv oh good and there's been like you know it's gonna be three in the morning and i'm like oh shit you're gonna work in like four hours get to bed you

did like i don't i don't watch regular tv anymore i just watch youtube yeah yeah and podcasts are good oh yeah that's it for me it's a different podcast i live in there especially if you're doing some driving yeah yeah yeah huge podcast fan i was pretty late to podcast about 18 months ago but i think i made up my time yeah yeah huge jerry ragan fan huge gary v fan yeah yeah yeah good really good about you steins favorite source of information telstra tv mate tell me where did that come from how many times

you read it oh you don't understand how many times the kids bring it out that's so good that's so good next one if you could give everyone in the world one personality trait what would it be compassion good oh wow that's sick good looks um yeah i'm gonna say happiness too for sure it's not a better feeling good yeah my last formal question for you boys if you could be remembered in one sentence what would it be good good honest part good it's deep simple oh that is that's the toughest question that's come through yeah

good at halo slayer not to have shoulders oh i wish i had shoulders yeah that guy didn't have any shoulders just round is that the guy without shoulders i need to start coming to the bed it's more yeah i don't know you go first times let me think i was too busy listening to it i don't know came for a good time or good yeah that does sum you up just guys in a nutshell yeah i don't know i don't know yeah i'd probably just be the same as meatballs just same as meatballs yeah that's

generally not be a prick good any more for any more boys what's happening and do you have anything else you'd like to add or talk about before we i don't really follow for buying more it's weird oh really did you want to spook your tinder account yeah yeah check me out on tinder at josh dang my house you can actually look people how is someone as good looking as you still single oh man i'm very picky yeah i think i spent too much time with these boys i think people are starting to have concerns no

there's anything wrong with that who knows no definitely not no definitely not you've even got a topless phone on your tinder account mate yeah that's the issue yeah maybe that could be issued i might go to personal i'm not saying it's a bad photo no it's just the shoulders yeah well then i've got nothing there yeah that's right yeah yeah twice as many as you go where can people find you guys buy stuff and get around uh you can check us out on the gram the snack hole that's us yeah that's nice yeah we're on

uh on progress straight with everyone else yeah um www.thesnackhole.com good and free shipping Australia and Portugal yeah yeah good well thanks thanks for coming boys this was a lot of fun thanks for having us man i'm looking forward to hopefully doing more yeah you're welcome you're welcome cheers thanks thanks hey guys thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to listen to the podcast if you enjoyed it please share and subscribe uh have a great day so you